Smoking Rules on NCL?

[graphicguy]

1 hour ago, debenson0723 said:

Like @graphicguystated, smoking cigarettes is on the decline. I work in a large office with over 100 people and only one person smokes (a woman in her 60s). I was in Vegas last weekend and when checking into the Wynn, we were told that if cigarette smoke is smelled in the room, the cleaning fee would be an additional $250. If cannabis was smelled, the cleaning fee would be $1000. And a waiver was signed to that effect. I loved eating and gambling in the Park-MGM...totally smoke free hotel and casino.

 

I was never much of a gambler on the ships, but since Bliss, Encore, Joy and Prima all have the enclosed smoking rooms, I spend much more time in the casino (as do many others I know). If you time it just right, you can smell smoke when the door opens but it doesn't permeate the whole deck and down to the deck below, as it does on the Getaway. 

I have no dog in the hunt regarding marijuana usage.  But, it seems the ship security teams are focused on those who are smoking weed on board.  Why guests do that, given the proliferation of gummies is confusing.  Foreign ports take marijuana pretty serious as well.

[UKstages]

7 hours ago, graphicguy said:

That said, from strictly a demographic perspective, those who smoke/vape/dip, etc has dropped dramatically in the last 5 years, and continues to drop.

fewer than 15% of americans smoke. and smoking is declining worldwide.

 

 

4 hours ago, Ellis1138 said:

The technology does exist to make indoor smoking rooms with hepa air scrubbers, so it just comes down to a matter of cost for the cruise line to do so.

these filters are great at removing odor… they fail at removing the carcinogens in second hand and third hand smoke. 

[Ellis1138]

1 hour ago, UKstages said:

these filters are great at removing odor… they fail at removing the carcinogens in second hand and third hand smoke. 

The HEPA would remove most of the particles of tobacco smoke, including the allergen part and really what most people get annoyed with. However, you are correct in that it can't remove the VoCs that are in cigarette smoke. Those particles are so small they can't be captured by just the standard HEPA. NCL would need a chemical absorbent filter in addition, which is costly.

[Elvis1209]

The technology does exist to make indoor smoking rooms with hepa air scrubbers, so it just comes down to a matter of cost for the cruise line to do so. 😕

 

I think they should have a separate cigarette lounge just like they have a cigar lounge.  However, as a cigar smoker I don't want them anywhere near us!  I hate the smell of cigarette smoke and get highly put off when a cigarette smoker comes into the cigar lounge.  

And to the person that claims to be allergic to tobacco smoke: it's your problem, not ours.  I would respectfully suggest that you pick a different vacation venue!

 

Elvis

[UKstages]

2 hours ago, Ellis1138 said:

Those particles are so small they can't be captured by just the standard HEPA. NCL would need a chemical absorbent filter in addition, which is costly.

cigarette manufacturers and air filter manufacturers (for both commercial and residential use) readily admit that air filtration only addresses the sight and smell of cigarette smoke. it does virtually nothing for removing the thousands of chemicals and carcinogens, especially since most of these are prominent in the initial exposure, before the filtration system even has a chance to work. but even after it does, it only addresses the odor and the visibility of the smoke. if your concern is the carcinogens in second hand smoke, air filtration won’t help on NCL ships, or anywhere else.

[LoungerOnBalcony55]

Just make sure that if you notice your balcony neighbors smoking you call Guest Services IMMEDIATELY and request security please come stop it. 

[ggTexasGal]

56 minutes ago, LoungerOnBalcony55 said:

Just make sure that if you notice your balcony neighbors smoking you call Guest Services IMMEDIATELY and request security please come stop it. 

While I don't want to be "that person," I feel the same way!

[Ellis1138]

8 hours ago, UKstages said:

 if your concern is the carcinogens in second hand smoke, air filtration won’t help on NCL ships, or anywhere else.

 

My only concerns are allergies, which are helped by filtration in general. If I was worried about carcinogens (and could afford to move), I would move out of Central New Jersey. 

[genealogyfan]

2 hours ago, LoungerOnBalcony55 said:

Just make sure that if you notice your balcony neighbors smoking you call Guest Services IMMEDIATELY and request security please come stop it. 

Unless you see the person definitely smoking, it's hard to see where the smoke is coming from. I thought I saw a person on a lower deck vaping on their deck, but I wasn't 100% sure and I didn't want to report someone who was innocent. I definitely would have if I was positive.

[graphicguy]

On 7/15/2023 at 10:45 AM, njkate said:

Probably because the smoking areas have shrunk down considerably. Bliss, Encore, Joy the only smoking areas are Spice H2O that’s quite a hike if one’s cabin is forward. 
 

Smoking is a legal substance that isn’t going away, no state wants to give up those taxes. People just need to learn to coexist and perhaps if the mega ships scattered a few more smoking areas on the ship you wouldn’t have people breaking the rules of course this is just my opinion 

I don't even think KY or TN (alleged tobacco states) are doing any long term planning on tobacco taxes....or, at least they shouldn't be.  That's a very rapidly declining tax base.  Depending on it is a fool's exercise.

[graphicguy]

3 hours ago, ggTexasGal said:

While I don't want to be "that person," I feel the same way!

I get that.  But, I've also seen people smoking "weed" where there are kids in close proximity.  Report it or let it slide?  I've been known to politely let the offenders know there are kids around and they might want to rethink their activity.  Most take it to heart.  A few have given me the "stink eye" and moved...allegedly to somewhere else.

 

That said, I have seen some puffing away in a smoking area with their kids in tow.  Nothing I can do about that, but talk about irresponsible.

 

You see all kinds on a cruise ship.  Some cruise lines are worse than others.  And, I see some are really starting to "crack down" on all the buffoons who think the ship is all theirs to do as they wish.

[njkate]

53 minutes ago, graphicguy said:

I don't even think KY or TN (alleged tobacco states) are doing any long term planning on tobacco taxes....or, at least they shouldn't be.  That's a very rapidly declining tax base.  Depending on it is a fool's exercise.

Lol we are talking about government lol 

NY and NJ cigarettes are very high around $10 or better mark and 80% of it is taxes

[BirdTravels]

2 hours ago, genealogyfan said:

Unless you see the person definitely smoking, it's hard to see where the smoke is coming from. I thought I saw a person on a lower deck vaping on their deck, but I wasn't 100% sure and I didn't want to report someone who was innocent. I definitely would have if I was positive.

While you may not be able to see the offending passenger, reporting it allows ship's security to focus their cameras on an area where they will be able to see people smoking on their balconies. Smell something, say something. 

[graphicguy]

1 minute ago, njkate said:

Lol we are talking about government lol 

NY and NJ cigarettes are very high around $10 or better mark and 80% of it is taxes

It's still a quickly shrinking market....and is falling off a cliff.

 

If you're selling to a shrinking market, raising prices will shrink your market even more quickly until it disappears.  The more you raise the prices, the quicker the market goes away.

 

Tobacco companies know this all too well.  They have been trying to diversify.  First, it was into vaping.  That presented its own health risks.  And, it has come under scrutiny as a result.

 

Brown Williamson has gone out of business.  Phillip Morris has stated they are moving away from "heated tobacco products" (their words, not mine).  

 

As you point out, gov't is taxing tobacco products to the point where they're too expensive to use.

 

Bottom line, cruise lines will continue to shrink the areas where smoking is allowed, and like in casinos, restrict those who can smoke there (like, if the casino isn't open or you're not gambling, you can not smoke there).  NCL in particular is moving to smaller and smaller areas, even enclosed areas, where smoking is allowed.

 

I'm betting in the next 5 years, smoking will be prohibited indoors.  And, the places smoking is allowed outdoors will be fewer and smaller.

[hallux]

On 7/15/2023 at 10:45 AM, njkate said:

Bliss, Encore, Joy the only smoking areas are Spice H2O that’s quite a hike if one’s cabin is forward.

Too bad, so sad.  It's a THEM problem as far as I'm concerned, it shouldn't be someone else's issue that they don't want to go that distance.

[njkate]

1 minute ago, hallux said:

Too bad, so sad.  It's a THEM problem as far as I'm concerned, it shouldn't be someone else's issue that they don't want to go that distance.

Hence the reason you see people lighting up outside of smoking areas.

It’s also a THEM problem when people b!tch about smoking in a designated smoking area, simple avoid the area. I can see both sides of the coin and try to coexist 

[hallux]

11 minutes ago, njkate said:

Hence the reason you see people lighting up outside of smoking areas.

It’s also a THEM problem when people b!tch about smoking in a designated smoking area, simple avoid the area. I can see both sides of the coin and try to coexist 

Nope, still the smoker's problem.  Their selfishness shouldn't cause problems for others...

[LoungerOnBalcony55]

5 hours ago, ggTexasGal said:

While I don't want to be "that person," I feel the same way!

Don't be ashamed. The a-hole smoking on their balcony is "that person" not you. 

[njkate]

22 minutes ago, hallux said:

Nope, still the smoker's problem.  Their selfishness shouldn't cause problems for others...

Enlighten me how is one smoking in  designated area selfishness?? Not asking about someone who doesn’t abide by rules but those that do

[LoungerOnBalcony55]

3 hours ago, genealogyfan said:

Unless you see the person definitely smoking, it's hard to see where the smoke is coming from. I thought I saw a person on a lower deck vaping on their deck, but I wasn't 100% sure and I didn't want to report someone who was innocent. I definitely would have if I was positive.

I'm obviously hardcore about this, but I don't think I'd report someone for vaping outside. It is vapor, and while indoors it might have a brief odor outside it's practically undetectable. You'll notice you thought you saw someone vaping - not that you smelled anything. Smoke from anything combustible (weed or tobacco) is totally different. The smell can overpower you. 

[dbrown84]

1 minute ago, njkate said:

Enlighten me how is one smoking in  designated area selfishness?? Not asking about someone who doesn’t abide by rules but those that do

I"m wondering the same....

[genealogyfan]

7 minutes ago, LoungerOnBalcony55 said:

I'm obviously hardcore about this, but I don't think I'd report someone for vaping outside. It is vapor, and while indoors it might have a brief odor outside it's practically undetectable. You'll notice you thought you saw someone vaping - not that you smelled anything. Smoke from anything combustible (weed or tobacco) is totally different. The smell can overpower you. 

It's not allowed in non smoking areas on cruise ships for one. I guess you don't care if someone doesn't follow the rules that are there for your safety, but I do.

[hallux]

3 hours ago, njkate said:

Hence the reason you see people lighting up outside of smoking areas.

This is the part I was referring to

2 hours ago, njkate said:

Enlighten me how is one smoking in  designated area selfishness?? Not asking about someone who doesn’t abide by rules but those that do

 

[UKstages]

8 hours ago, njkate said:

It’s also a THEM problem when people b!tch about smoking in a designated smoking area…

i haven’t seen anybody complaining about people smoking or vaping in a designated smoking area. i’ve seen people complaining about smoking marijuana in a designated smoking area. and smoking in areas of the ship where it is expressly forbidden.

 

(or do you mean that smokers themselves are complaining about being confined to designated smoking areas?)

Edited July 17, 2023 by UKstages

[LoungerOnBalcony55]

15 hours ago, genealogyfan said:

It's not allowed in non smoking areas on cruise ships for one. I guess you don't care if someone doesn't follow the rules that are there for your safety, but I do.

Oh c'mon. Use some common sense here. There's no risk to your safety from someone vaping on a nearby balcony. And again I say this as the guy who doesn't hesitate to call security in a nanosecond if anyone near me is smoking.