Rare NMTraveller Posted March 9 #101 Share Posted March 9 10 minutes ago, dlh015 said: Ditto. I remember walking thru the airport in Frankfurt, Germany with patrolling guards carrying automatic weapons. It certainly got my attention... I went through the Schipol airport with the same. Yet not the same as a coup. More pro-active... Last I heard the NY subways had the National Guard ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichYak Posted March 9 #102 Share Posted March 9 1 minute ago, Charles4515 said: After 9/11 they had the military patrolling New York Penn station and many other places They’re back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare NMTraveller Posted March 9 #103 Share Posted March 9 (edited) 1 minute ago, RichYak said: They’re back. When we were in NYC (for a cruise several times) there were stabbings in the subway. Edited March 9 by NMTraveller Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare hcat Posted March 9 #104 Share Posted March 9 1 hour ago, martinitime1 said: Wow, have read thru this whole thread and it took me back to our first cruise. Would have been back in the early 90's. We were on our very first cruise on the Sovereign of the Seas. Remember her? Anyway we were doing a Carribean cruise and one of the stops was to be Haiti that morning. The port was cancelled due to a coup underway in Haiti, and we just had another sea day. We knew something was up as the ship basically stopped offshore overnight (very strange feeling) kind of just eerily quietly floating. we do remember Sovereign..our first cruise together ...but we had no Haiti issues...just noro. Imnediately switched to Celebrity...for the next cruise Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare NMTraveller Posted March 9 #105 Share Posted March 9 19 minutes ago, dlh015 said: Ditto. I remember walking thru the airport in Frankfurt, Germany with patrolling guards carrying automatic weapons. It certainly got my attention... You were in Italy during the Golpe Borghese: Coup attempt? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichYak Posted March 9 #106 Share Posted March 9 5 minutes ago, NMTraveller said: When we were in NYC (for a cruise several times) there were stabbings in the subway. That’s how we welcome tourists. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare NMTraveller Posted March 9 #107 Share Posted March 9 28 minutes ago, RichYak said: That’s how we welcome tourists. No one makes eye contact on the street. Also very strange .🤣 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare dlh015 Posted March 9 #108 Share Posted March 9 58 minutes ago, RichYak said: They’re back. Where's the Guardian Angels?? (I was living in the city when they were founded...) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare dlh015 Posted March 9 #109 Share Posted March 9 23 minutes ago, NMTraveller said: No one makes eye contact on the street. Also very strange .🤣 May not make eye contact but I knew exactly where anyone was...a talent I carry with me to this very day...though my NYC days are now in the distant past. (and that talent saved my butt years later when living in SF...) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare dlh015 Posted March 9 #110 Share Posted March 9 58 minutes ago, NMTraveller said: You were in Italy during the Golpe Borghese: Coup attempt? ? No, this was the early 90s...in Germany on business... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare NMTraveller Posted March 9 #111 Share Posted March 9 50 minutes ago, dlh015 said: May not make eye contact but I knew exactly where anyone was...a talent I carry with me to this very day...though my NYC days are now in the distant past. (and that talent saved my butt years later when living in SF...) Well living in New Mexico the occurrence of gunfire was regular. We quickly learned which direction it was coming from. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare hcat Posted March 9 #112 Share Posted March 9 off Topic; Not too long ago we had Natl guard at NY airports to check our Covid paperwork. With no places left to house border crossers, unchecked crime, and congestion pricing coming soon; NYC will become another dead U.S. city.. How sad! NY suburbs not that great either! on Topic: Haiti is a sad case..but we also avoid many areas of Mexico...Many other cruise ports are available. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare Honolulu Blue Posted March 9 #113 Share Posted March 9 Interesting discussion. I'll tell my story and get out. One of the charters I have scheduled for next year has a stop in Labadee. At this point, I'm not too worried about it. If Royal doesn't think it's safe to go there, we won't go there and we'll go somewhere else instead. Or maybe nowhere; the charters stops aren't very important. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TeeRick Posted March 9 #114 Share Posted March 9 We were in Labadee just recently on RCCL Symphony. It was business as usual. It was safe and enjoyable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charles4515 Posted March 9 #115 Share Posted March 9 (edited) 33 minutes ago, Andy_P said: We were there years ago and all we remember is the onslaught of hawkers.... We're there again in November and I doubt we'll go ashore unless we feel we need a beach day They moved where hawkers could sell a number of years ago. So you can choose whether to see what they are hawking. Still very high key if you enter that area but now you can stay away from them and avoid the onslaught. There is also an artisan store that is low key for souvenirs but of course no big bargains. Edited March 9 by Charles4515 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steilkurve Posted March 9 #116 Share Posted March 9 Been to Labadee many times, the first time being in 1996 on Sovereign of the seas. Absolutely love it. That said, sadly, I would not book a cruise with this stop right now. Don’t think it is possible to guarantee one’s security there at the moment with an absentee government and gangs running wild. Sad because of the beauty of the area and the impact of ships possibly pulling their stops on the local economy. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Queenmom1947 Posted March 9 #117 Share Posted March 9 So sad for the good people of Haiti. The country has been through so many dictators and cannot keep a handle on violent overthrows. our first visit was on a cruise in the mid- 70s and the poverty was so evident. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pinboy Posted March 9 #118 Share Posted March 9 12 hours ago, Charles4515 said: I think it has been mentioned many times that they have a private security force. Yup— A “ private “ security force!! That’ll do it!! ” Hey, anyone seen the Security staff ?? When ? They were seen leaving 3 hours ago ?? But , they are supposed to keep the tourists safe “ The answer: 3 minutes The question: How long will it take for the CD to get back onto the ship after the “ Welcome to Haiti “ reception as the “ They ain’t gonna scare me “ passengers head for a bbq ? The answer: That’s a “ Good One “ ! The question: Where would we be during our visit (?) to Haiti? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charles4515 Posted March 9 #119 Share Posted March 9 4 minutes ago, Pinboy said: Yup— A “ private “ security force!! That’ll do it!! ” Hey, anyone seen the Security staff ?? When ? They were seen leaving 3 hours ago ?? But , they are supposed to keep the tourists safe “ The answer: 3 minutes The question: How long will it take for the CD to get back onto the ship after the “ Welcome to Haiti “ reception as the “ They ain’t gonna scare me “ passengers head for a bbq ? The answer: That’s a “ Good One “ ! The question: Where would we be during our visit (?) to Haiti? The private force has worked for years Independence of the Seas is at Labadee today. If you are scared you don't have to take a cruise that stops there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sfaaa Posted March 9 #120 Share Posted March 9 4 hours ago, Pinboy said: “ passengers head for a bbq ? The answer: That’s a “ Good One “ ! The question: Where would we be during our visit (?) to Haiti? Don't go near BBQ. Also stay away from all the black flies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare NMTraveller Posted March 9 #121 Share Posted March 9 (edited) 2 minutes ago, sfaaa said: Don't go near BBQ. Also stay away from all the black flies. Was he referring to "Barbeque" the gangster coup leader? Edited March 9 by NMTraveller 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sfaaa Posted March 9 #122 Share Posted March 9 Just now, NMTraveller said: Was he referring to "Barbeque" the coup leader? Both are deadly. High cholesterol or full of lead poison. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare NutsAboutGolf Posted March 9 #123 Share Posted March 9 19 hours ago, Charles4515 said: There was a lot of space and Royal has built a lot since 30 years ago. They even have a tram now that some passengers use. It is another way for them to get revenue. The beach areas that they use are expanded. Some of the beaches are meh but a couple are pretty good. Like any port some don’t care for it but it has been a pretty popular port. It's because it's owned by RCG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare Salt Lifer Posted March 9 #124 Share Posted March 9 If I were on a ship docking at Labadee right now I certainly wouldn't get off the ship. I believe the ship itself would bee safe, but there is too much unrest to feel comfortable on land. Mr. BBQ and his merry band of thieves are focused on taking control of the government and likely don't want trouble with RCL or the U.S. government, but there are literally thousands of other criminals running around who may not have allegiance to BBQ. People are crazy if they think these guys will behave themselves and they may see storming Labadee and taking a few cruise ship passengers hostage as an easy payday, or killing some tourists as a way to make a scene. Not worth the risk at the moment, in my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare NutsAboutGolf Posted March 9 #125 Share Posted March 9 38 minutes ago, Salt Lifer said: If I were on a ship docking at Labadee right now I certainly wouldn't get off the ship. I believe the ship itself would bee safe, but there is too much unrest to feel comfortable on land. Mr. BBQ and his merry band of thieves are focused on taking control of the government and likely don't want trouble with RCL or the U.S. government, but there are literally thousands of other criminals running around who may not have allegiance to BBQ. People are crazy if they think these guys will behave themselves and they may see storming Labadee and taking a few cruise ship passengers hostage as an easy payday, or killing some tourists as a way to make a scene. Not worth the risk at the moment, in my opinion. 99.9999% nothing bad happens, but if it did, what would be the most likely scenario? Why go to Labadee to deal with hostages potentially for days, while you wait for a payment that that might not even come (a sniper could kill you)? They'd probably storm the ship which has lots of money, jewelry, luxury goods, and personal electronics on board Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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