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3 minutes ago, pete_coach said:

OMG.... edited and/or clipped to make the point of the user.

We are in such a mess because of social media misinformation and disinformation and people believe it to be the truth LOL

 

What do you mean by "we're in a mess"?  Some people believe the earth is flat which does not come from flat earth social media videos since they don't exist

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25 minutes ago, NutsAboutGolf said:

Social Media is one of the best sources of video evidence and often it's obtained far quicker (sometimes live-streamed) than the major news outlets. 

Almost everything posted to social media has been edited, clipped, etc. to fit the goals/agenda/bias of the person posting (regardless if they intend to actually deceive anyone).  With AI now at everyone's finger tips, videos and photos can be completely fabricated with almost no effort.

 

I disagree that social media is any reliable or accurate source of evidence.  At best, it points to who might have some video/photo evidence.  Someone would have to dig into the raw photo/video files and metadata to look for any reliable evidence.

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What do you mean by "we're in a mess"?  Some people believe the earth is flat which does not come from flat earth social media videos since they don't exist

Please, give your head a shake LOL Social media is a cesspool of mis and dis information

Flat earth....LOL

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5 minutes ago, prmssk said:

Almost everything posted to social media has been edited, clipped, etc. to fit the goals/agenda/bias of the person posting (regardless if they intend to actually deceive anyone).  With AI now at everyone's finger tips, videos and photos can be completely fabricated with almost no effort.

 

I disagree that social media is any reliable or accurate source of evidence.  At best, it points to who might have some video/photo evidence.  Someone would have to dig into the raw photo/video files and metadata to look for any reliable evidence.

 

So is the news coming from news outlets.  Back to my original point, news outlets need to receive permission from social media posters to use their videos so sometimes new outlets are putting out biased info without any videos

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Please, give your head a shake LOL

Flat earth....LOL

 

Maybe this is all a Canadian thing?  We're not "in a mess" due to social media misinformation here in the US

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Maybe this is all a Canadian thing?  We're not "in a mess" due to social media misinformation here in the US

OH no, it is not a Canadian thing LOL

If you think you are not subject to mis and dis information on social media, speak with your politicians that are trying to regulate it LOL

We are subject to your Truth Social too 🙂

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29 minutes ago, NutsAboutGolf said:

Hawaii has radar and you'd imagine access to the ship's navigational data, this doesn't seem to count as evidence.

What radar would the ship show up on?  While most radar within the islands will pick up an aerial target where the Edge was, the Na Pali coast, with its high bluffs creates quite a "land shadow" for at least a mile from shore there.  How does the state have access to the ship's navigational data, unless the ship gives it up, and again, unlikely without a warrant.

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13 minutes ago, chengkp75 said:

What radar would the ship show up on?  While most radar within the islands will pick up an aerial target where the Edge was, the Na Pali coast, with its high bluffs creates quite a "land shadow" for at least a mile from shore there.  How does the state have access to the ship's navigational data, unless the ship gives it up, and again, unlikely without a warrant.

 

If not radar or ship nav data, what evidence IS typically required to confirm a ship sails too close?

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38 minutes ago, NutsAboutGolf said:

 

What do you mean by "we're in a mess"?  Some people believe the earth is flat which does not come from flat earth social media videos since they don't exist

Hang on - you telling me the earth isn’t flat????

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18 minutes ago, pete_coach said:

OH no, it is not a Canadian thing LOL

If you think you are not subject to mis and dis information on social media, speak with your politicians that are trying to regulate it LOL

We are subject to your Truth Social too 🙂

 

In the US, we have 15K+ congressional bills currently, we try to regulate many things; it's just politics

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3 minutes ago, C4HCG said:

Hang on - you telling me the earth isn’t flat????

 

Ha ha.  I want to copyright the "Pluto is a real planet and is triangular" society...ha ha

 

Back on topic, I wonder if any other X-ships have ever violated resisted areas

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Well the photos have geotags in them that that have the position where the photo was taken at.  So you have the position of the ship from photos taken from the ship.  You have the position of the boats that took pictures.  A bunch of pictures and positions.  It should have been more than enough evidence...

 

I guess it comes down to a state investigation vs. federal...

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Why? Despite 20+ years of Law and Order telling us the opposite many if not most investigations do not result in charges. Evidence and legal elements of proof actually come into play. Which likely includes “intent”. And the agency conducting the investigation may not have the resources to analyze and interpret the various third part visuals posted on social media.
 

Everyone can agree it’s wrong but there still be no case. Not as unusual as people seem to think. 

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9 hours ago, NMTraveller said:

Well the photos have geotags in them that that have the position where the photo was taken at.  So you have the position of the ship from photos taken from the ship.  You have the position of the boats that took pictures.  A bunch of pictures and positions.  It should have been more than enough evidence...

 

I guess it comes down to a state investigation vs. federal...

The feds were quite clear from the beginning that no federal laws were involved. 
 

And the only Hawaiian law that might have been broken carries a maximum $1,000 fine.  Yet people here seem to think they should have investigated it like millions of dollars were at stake.

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1 hour ago, Mark_K said:

The feds were quite clear from the beginning that no federal laws were involved. 
 

And the only Hawaiian law that might have been broken carries a maximum $1,000 fine.  Yet people here seem to think they should have investigated it like millions of dollars were at stake.

I understand that no federal laws were broken.  I think that a federal investigation would have been more rigorous if it occurred...  

 

However if it is the equivalent of a speeding ticket fine,  then perhaps that is why the "investigation" seemed to be so casual.  Hardly worth news print in that case.

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I understand that no federal laws were broken.  I think that a federal investigation would have been more rigorous if it occurred...  

 

However if it is the equivalent of a speeding ticket fine,  then perhaps that is why the "investigation" seemed to be so casual.  Hardly worth news print in that case.

Lots of “journalists” are anti cruise ship, period.  Anything to throw a little shade on cruising works for them.  

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5 minutes ago, MMS Cruising said:

Looks like authorities in Hawaii will be keeping a close eye on cruise ships in the State from now on.

It would probably make more sense to add some teeth to the local ordinance?  Make it a $1,000 fine per person on the boat/ship?  Tiny fines mean nothing to a large business. Individuals are mostly deterred, but a ship with 3k-4k folks aboard would be on the hook for millions not the cost of a "drink package" for a couple.

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26 minutes ago, Tom and Ingrid said:

It would probably make more sense to add some teeth to the local ordinance?  Make it a $1,000 fine per person on the boat/ship?  Tiny fines mean nothing to a large business. Individuals are mostly deterred, but a ship with 3k-4k folks aboard would be on the hook for millions not the cost of a "drink package" for a couple.

If you read Hawaii Code 13-252-9, under Part 3 "Ocean Waters, Navigable Streams and Beaches" it states:

 

"As incident to a lawful arrest, the arresting authority may take legal custody of any personal property which is the subject of or related to any violation of these rules. The property may be released only upon approval by the court which has jurisdiction of the case."

 

Which means that, just like in Maine where illegal hunting can result in confiscation of the gun, car, boat, or ATV used in the illegal activity, that Hawaii can confiscate the ship, and the line would have to appeal to court to get it back.  The Captain would also be subject to arrest.  Probably enough teeth to get their attention.

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