Taxes and fees included in prices!

[sparks1093]

It boggles my mind that one state has the power to disrupt an entire industry. 

[n6uqqq]

23 minutes ago, cruisewiththekids said:

Has anyone been able to verify with Carnival which taxes/fees are still automatically refundable if a sailing is canceled after final payment or a no-show at the pier?

Since the newly created category of " Required cruise fees and expenses "  was created that leaves only the " government taxes and fees " as refundable to no shows. The required fees and expenses is now subject to penalty so the amount received back for a cancellation is now dependent on when you cancel after final payment. To me the required fees and expenses sounds an awful lot like cruise fare now. If it walks like a duck and talks like a duck, it is a duck 😉 . 

 

Carnival has effectively now punished solo cruisers with them paying double the required fees and expenses, the same as two cruisers. Also they have raised the cost of a no show because these fees also will not be returned for a no show, it will be 100 percent penalty. Going solo for a full Panama canal reposition cruise has gotten a lot more expensive for a solo if you add the extra mandatory fees and expenses. 

[Colorado Beach Bum]

6 minutes ago, sparks1093 said:

It boggles my mind that one state has the power to disrupt an entire industry. 

Happens all the time and its usually not a good thing. 

[chengkp75]

9 minutes ago, sparks1093 said:

It boggles my mind that one state has the power to disrupt an entire industry. 

It's not that California set out to disrupt the industry, they were responding to something people had been asking for for years.  It's just that Carnival's lawyers are smarter and faster than the state lawyers, and found a way to benefit from a law intended to restrict them.

[ontheweb]

1 hour ago, sparks1093 said:

It boggles my mind that one state has the power to disrupt an entire industry. 

And it should be noted that the cruise industry was not the real target of this law.

[n6uqqq]

8 minutes ago, ontheweb said:

And it should be noted that the cruise industry was not the real target of this law.

And I think disrupting is an overstatement. Carnival already was showing the total price long before checkout. So now the pricing on the first page shows per person with fees, so the price per person shows more now but it is not earth shattering. The changing of their port fee structure was not required by this law either, Carnival used the change brought on with the new law as cover to implement more restrictive rules with the fees and included more in the penalty calculation. 

[ontheweb]

2 minutes ago, n6uqqq said:

And I think disrupting is an overstatement. Carnival already was showing the total price long before checkout. So now the pricing on the first page shows per person with fees, so the price per person shows more now but it is not earth shattering. The changing of their port fee structure was not required by this law either, Carnival used the change brought on with the new law as cover to implement more restrictive rules with the fees and included more in the penalty calculation. 

I agree that disrupting is an overstatement. Maybe it disrupted advertising that showed a price and then in small print plus taxes and fees, but that can hardly be called disrupting an entire industry.

[n6uqqq]

1 minute ago, ontheweb said:

I agree that disrupting is an overstatement. Maybe it disrupted advertising that showed a price and then in small print plus taxes and fees, but that can hardly be called disrupting an entire industry.

For me disruptive is something like a bridge collapsing in Baltimore 😉 

[ontheweb]

Just now, n6uqqq said:

For me disruptive is something like a bridge collapsing in Baltimore 😉 

That was a major disruption.

 

How about Covid? That was even more of a disruption.

[sparks1093]

Disruptive can mean many things and I would personally categorize it so if a business needs to make changes to the way it does things, even if others wouldn't categorize it that way.

[StephPS79]

9 hours ago, n6uqqq said:

Also they have raised the cost of a no show because these fees also will not be returned for a no show, it will be 100 percent penalty.  

To be fair, people were kind of loopholing penalty fees by no-showing, so Carnival is shrinking the loophole.  Not sure they aren’t right to do it, they are a business doing what is best for the business.

 

Edited July 13 by StephPS79

[n6uqqq]

59 minutes ago, StephPS79 said:

To be fair, people were kind of loopholing penalty fees by no-showing, so Carnival is shrinking the loophole.  Not sure they aren’t right to do it, they are a business doing what is best for the business.

 

Fair enough, I didn't say it was wrong but it is happening and people should be aware of the new consequences for no shows. My 8 day cruise to Mexico from Long Beach  is now $127 of the new separated mandatory fees and $49 dollars for the government fees per person, so now no showing would be $127 dollars more than prior to July 1st. Carnival is within their rights to do so. 

[jimbo5544]

14 hours ago, n6uqqq said:

And I think disrupting is an overstatement. Carnival already was showing the total price long before checkout. So now the pricing on the first page shows per person with fees, so the price per person shows more now but it is not earth shattering. The changing of their port fee structure was not required by this law either, Carnival used the change brought on with the new law as cover to implement more restrictive rules with the fees and included more in the penalty calculation. 

EVERY cruise is is showing the total price.  Have we had the opportunity  to see a cancelation than confirms your "view"?

[jimbo5544]

6 hours ago, StephPS79 said:

To be fair, people were kind of loopholing penalty fees by no-showing, so Carnival is shrinking the loophole.  Not sure they aren’t right to do it, they are a business doing what is best for the business.

 

Easy now, do not let facts get into the way of the bashing.....

[jimbo5544]

14 hours ago, ontheweb said:

That was a major disruption.

 

How about Covid? That was even more of a disruption.

Somehow, some may view even THAT as a Carnival plan on customers...

[jimbo5544]

14 hours ago, ontheweb said:

I agree that disrupting is an overstatement. Maybe it disrupted advertising that showed a price and then in small print plus taxes and fees, but that can hardly be called disrupting an entire industry.

Meh, much to do about nothing, will stay away from the political motivation on laws like this.  It was and is marketing, id someone buys they know the cost.  The way that it has worked for decades.  Another no harm, no fowl was of time that requires pain on an industry hammered to modify for no gain, no reason law.

[n6uqqq]

6 hours ago, jimbo5544 said:

EVERY cruise is is showing the total price.  Have we had the opportunity  to see a cancelation than confirms your "view"?

Do we need someone to show this? Carnival flat out states the new "required cruise fees and expenses" section that they are subject to penalty now. This was not the case prior to July 1st. All previous port fees before they became separated were refunded in cancellations and no shows. 

[ontheweb]

39 minutes ago, n6uqqq said:

Do we need someone to show this? Carnival flat out states the new "required cruise fees and expenses" section that they are subject to penalty now. This was not the case prior to July 1st. All previous port fees before they became separated were refunded in cancellations and no shows. 

Indeed, if that's the case it will only be a matter of time before we see that complaint posted.

[jimbo5544]

5 hours ago, n6uqqq said:

Do we need someone to show this? Carnival flat out states the new "required cruise fees and expenses" section that they are subject to penalty now. This was not the case prior to July 1st. All previous port fees before they became separated were refunded in cancellations and no shows. 

Experience talks volumes....

[jimbo5544]

4 hours ago, ontheweb said:

Indeed, if that's the case it will only be a matter of time before we see that complaint posted.

Hence the reason for asking.  

[n6uqqq]

14 minutes ago, jimbo5544 said:

Experience talks volumes....

Is having a no show a crime? I had teenager daughters who decided not to cruise once in our 4 person room and yes they were no shows. You make it sound so negative. If I have posted something that is incorrect, by all means tell me where and show me how. Is it bad to share knowledge out here about things changing with refunds, cancellations etc? I thought this website was just for this sort of thing. 

[ontheweb]

1 hour ago, jimbo5544 said:

Hence the reason for asking.  

It may be a cliche, but time will tell.

[jimbo5544]

2 hours ago, n6uqqq said:

Is having a no show a crime? I had teenager daughters who decided not to cruise once in our 4 person room and yes they were no shows. You make it sound so negative. If I have posted something that is incorrect, by all means tell me where and show me how. Is it bad to share knowledge out here about things changing with refunds, cancellations etc? I thought this website was just for this sort of thing. 

I was not trying to insinuate anything.  Of course a no show is not a crime.  What it represents is revenue lost.  All the threads here about casino rates and late cancels are just one perspective.  I have n issue with there being a penalty along those lines for a late cancel.  We simply have a different point of view on a topic, no harm no foul from my side.  

[n6uqqq]

3 minutes ago, jimbo5544 said:

I was not trying to insinuate anything.  Of course a no show is not a crime.  What it represents is revenue lost.  All the threads here about casino rates and late cancels are just one perspective.  I have n issue with there being a penalty along those lines for a late cancel.  We simply have a different point of view on a topic, no harm no foul from my side.  

Fair enough. I did lose two full fares so it isn't like it was penalty free for me, even though I did get back the grats and port fees/taxes. This is small potatoes after what has happened tonight. Peace! 

[jimbo5544]

9 hours ago, n6uqqq said:

Fair enough. I did lose two full fares so it isn't like it was penalty free for me, even though I did get back the grats and port fees/taxes. This is small potatoes after what has happened tonight. Peace! 

Agree again.