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You have too many posts so your post probably won't be seen by the OP. 😄

Because of the shape of the Haven balcony next door, you can get a slightly better view "around the corner" in 12308 vs. 12310. It's a tiny difference and most people wouldn't even notice unless the ship was docked. If you're sailing, whatever you aren't seeing in 12310 will eventually be seen as you sail by... 🙂 Both are fine choices for a B1.

if it is available for you cruise, you can look at the Sailaway Rate. You will pay less but you won't be able to select your particular stateroom.

Corks and Caps is either gone or will be gone soon. It's no longer listed on the NCL site but reports are that NCL still offers it onboard. It may have to be a la carte for all of the under 21 people who have parental/guardian consent onboard.

Again, people will violate terms but it is important to know that there can be consequences for violating those terms. People who have had their drink package revoked because of sharing may or may not have known the consequences before they did what they did. People who bricked their phone also suffered the consequences. I get that people don't like the terms but sharing a drink won't compel NCL to change.

You took your business elsewhere when Honda didn't meet your needs/wants. You did nothing wrong. Violating terms and conditions that you agree to is wrong. If NCL's terms are not what you want, you are free to take your business elsewhere. The issue here is that people tend to use their dislike of the PBP/PPBP terms as a justification to share drinks with those who don't have the package. Part of the reason for the terms (all adults in the same stateroom must have/upgrade) is because some people share. The more people that violate the terms, the stricter NCL will get.

If NCL started that today, a solo would have a choice to book solo with NCL or not. If NCL applied that to people who already booked and didn't give enough notice for people to cancel with a full refund, I'd agree that NCL would be wrong in that case.

Are you "forced" to share a stateroom with the other person? 😉

Drink sharing? "NCL should let things slide..." Chair Hogging? "NCL should enforce their rules..."

Butlers rotate their assigned area every couple of weeks. It's impossible to know if a butler will be great based on where the suite is located. It's likely that butlers are more attentive to the highest suites if the butlers believe that the tips from those suites will be higher. Also, butlers have more than one stateroom to cover. If your butler has to also service neighboring guests who are extremely demanding, your service can suffer. It's not really the location that is the problem although certain areas have more suites to cover than others so if you are in one of those areas, it may seem like the butler is less attentive.

Jeans are allowed in EVERY restaurant on NCL. It's the length of the clothing that is the requirement for Smart Casual.

Trust me, I learn much more from others on the forum than I give. Even when I'm putting together a list of bed locations, balcony sizes, stateroom configurations, etc., I'm gathering information from others and adding that info to what I've personally gathered. I've found it and will go through every post in the thread (over 10 pages) in good time. I am like a fish out of water when it comes to Celebrity as I've never sailed with them. When EDGE and the Retreat were first announced, I went over there to compare/contrast NCL's Haven and MSC's Yacht Club with the new Retreat and I was surprised by what I had read from some Celebrity veterans. Many of them were as strongly against the Retreat as I was against the goofy-looking Tragic Carpet. Yes, I was the first one to name it the Tragic Carpet and no matter how many Celebrity veterans defend it, I will continue to call it that. 😱 I'm also interested in the rift that seems to be forming on Celebrity between the "traditional" Celebrity cruisers and the new "high energy" Celebrity cruisers. I have no dog in the fight but I'm curious as to which side will prevail.

In addition to that, NCL could charge you for every drink that the violator had previously ordered with their PBP/PPBP. In other words, even if the first 10 drinks were legit and the 11th drink was "given" to someone without the package, the legit owner could be charged for all 11 drinks. Do some people share? Yes. Do most get away with it? Yes. Do some get caught and have their PBP/PPBP revoked? Yes. Can someone get kicked off of the ship for the violation? Yes. Can someone end up owing NCL a week's worth of drinks? Yes. If someone asks what the speed limit is on Interstate 4, I'll tell them what the posted limit is. Do many people drive above the speed limit? Yes. Do most people get away with it? Yes. Do some get caught? Yes. Can someone get arrested for it? Yes. Can someone end up with fines and court costs for it? Yes. If it really is just an occasional soda or glass of wine, just pay for it. If you're honest with the bartender and the bartender "forgets" to charge you, that's fine. NCL might have a word with the bartender but you will have done nothing wrong.

Not to split hairs but 30% off combined with 5% off isn't exactly the same as 35% off. 🤪

I've considered The Retreat on the EDGE class ships but I'm still on the fence so any additional information from a YC regular is greatly appreciated. With a family of 4 (2 young children), the tub/shower is a plus... especially if there isn't a hot-tub on the balcony like we get on MSC.

Configuration A vs Configuration B applies to the Haven Suites. If the bedroom is near the balcony, it is A. If the master bathroom is near the balcony, it is B. Whichever is near the balcony is the larger of the 2.

I believe that Venetian and Le Bistro require long pants for dinner.

Escape's Haven sundeck is not large. It is less than 1/2 the size of Joy's Haven sundeck. Escape has 2 hot-tubs in the courtyard and 1 hot-tub on the Haven sundeck. Joy has 1 down and 2 upstairs. No separate area for smokers. One of the pools on deck 16 is adult only and it is flanked by 2 hot-tubs.

^^^ Worth a look.....

^^ Based on this person's experience, pool is all ages, sundeck above that is for 16 and older.

I'd take the Haven Suite mid-ship on deck 14 and not worry about not being in the Haven complex.......but I also prefer the aft-facing suites which are even farther away from the complex. 🤪 If you want to drop VIBE and a few specialty meals, you'll still have everything Haven for the $2,200 increase.

As you arrive at the port, you will make a U-turn (left turn) and the porters will direct you to your right (passenger side). Open the window and say "Yacht Club" and the porters will direct you forward and you will make another U-turn (right turn) which will put you closer to the side of the ship. You will pull into one of the spots, unload your bags, and probably give your name to the person at the white tent.... ...from there, you will make another U-turn (right turn) and head towards the parking garage that is on your left.

It seems like a "website screw up.... won't be fixed during the weekend..." type of thing. It happens on most cruise lines but MSC has one of the more problematic web experiences. Does your confirmation PDF give you the correct final payment date?

This seems like a mistake made by the travel agent, not NCL. Not to hijack but more information is needed.....

Is it 2024 or 2023? There might be a mix up.