Why Novo?

[Pushka]

Noro is not airborne....you cannot inhale and catch it nor spread it.

 

 

You most certainly can contract Noro through inhalation of infected droplets.

 

 

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[tarheelmjm]

And sadly, she's not talking about sharing a little water vapor with someone, as if you'd caught the cold...

 

The only way to get norovirus is to have particles of an infected person's vomit or stool get in your mouth, or enter through mucosa (rubbing the eyes/nose). No other body fluids carry the disease.

 

I think that fact, the method of infection, is much more troubling than the 24-72 hours of intense stomach upset. Ew ewy ew ew.

 

I've contracted norovirus twice in about 30 disney trips. At my house we call it the "puke, shi*t, cry" virus, since that's all one can get done for at least 2 days. And the three sometimes happen at once.

[wendychloecruiser]

Norovirus is from a group of viruses called enteroviruses. It is transmitted via the fecal-oral route and not by inhalation. The influenza viruses are spread by droplet transmission. For reference see CDC.

[cle-guy]

Norovirus is from a group of viruses called enteroviruses. It is transmitted via the fecal-oral route and not by inhalation. The influenza viruses are spread by droplet transmission. For reference see CDC.

 

But isn't a sneeze with its millions of droplets coming from my mouth, not able to also spread it if someone nearby inhales a droplet of my oral juices that was just ejected?

 

I've seen videos of sneezes where the droplets go 4 to 5 feet out in front of a person. That person could be standing directly in front of me waitron to board the ship, or in the buffet or on an elevator, far closer proximity than the 4-5 feet the droplets aerosolize to and travel.

 

So it's safe to breath the air near a person who is sneezing and coughing who has noro, I wont get it that way? :confused:

[bar_20]

It doesn't take "mighty smart people" to figure it out. Put the same 3-6,000 people together on a ship for a week: add buffett dinners, coffee dispensers, railings, elevator buttons, and one HIGHLY contagious virus. Really not that hard to "find out why it happens"........:rolleyes:

 

I think if they made all passengers and employees wear latex gloves and surgical masks the problem would go away.

[lahlah57]

The bottom line is we do not want to catch anything from anyone and especially on a trip.

Plane traveling grosses me out more than any form of travel.

I'm the fruitcake who puts gloves on and wipes the tabletop ,the armrest and the seatbelt.

Since I work in the medical field, I take a ziploc full of Caviwipes that kills everything. I do not touch anything in the restroom without a barrier..

Lets now start on the air that is recirculated in a plane.....sheesh!

All that can be done is to do your best with wipes....sanitizers and barriers. What is left is left to the powers that be! NOW LETS HAVE FUN!:D

[lahlah57]

Pay attention to folks who change diapers and NEVER wash their hands after doing so!

Like their little darlings couldn't possibly carry bacteria or viruses in those diapers :confused:

[yorky]

I had the virus on a princess ship around 10 years ago and we changed the way we did things. We always washed our hands when using the toilets but thought more about how we could catch it. We don't use hand rails and are carefull about any surface touched by many people. We carry around hand sanitisers and use them on a regular basis. We always use the ships sanitisers when entering dining areas but after getting our food and using utensils we use our own sanitisers again. Touch wood we have been fine since.

[wendychloecruiser]

But isn't a sneeze with its millions of droplets coming from my mouth, not able to also spread it if someone nearby inhales a droplet of my oral juices that was just ejected?

 

I've seen videos of sneezes where the droplets go 4 to 5 feet out in front of a person. That person could be standing directly in front of me waitron to board the ship, or in the buffet or on an elevator, far closer proximity than the 4-5 feet the droplets aerosolize to and travel.

 

So it's safe to breath the air near a person who is sneezing and coughing who has noro, I wont get it that way? :confused:

 

Hey Curt, I don't know you but I always respect your input into all sorts of topics..that was a just a by the way.

 

Regarding the transmission...a hospital has all sorts of different types of isolation techniques based on the type of infection and thus mode of transmission. There is universal precaution, contact isolation, respiratory isolation and a few others. A gastrointestinal infection does not require masks in a patient's room like say a suspected TB or influenza which are airborne causing respiratory symptoms, not gastrointestinal. Gowning and gloving is required in order not to touch the environment. Hand washing is crucial, as is gel to protect us in addition to other patients. (We are not allowed to call it ALCOHOL gel as it gets stolen for illicit consumption...I kid you not).

 

Despite being obsessed about avoiding Noro I did get it 2+ years ago on my honeymoon. I got violently ill after eating in BLU. The only thing I did differently than my DH was to choose a very nice wine from the wine list that the sommelier brought over. I am convinced that was this the source of my violent, but thankfully short lived illness.

 

A suggestion regarding avoiding contact in a buffet is to use a napkin around the spoons in the food and use a second napkin for personal use.

[Pushka]

Norovirus is from a group of viruses called enteroviruses. It is transmitted via the fecal-oral route and not by inhalation. The influenza viruses are spread by droplet transmission. For reference see CDC.

 

 

That's not the information I have read.

 

 

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[Tamara2cruise]

Truth is more people get Noro on airplanes each year than cruise ships.

 

Yep, that's how I go it - on a long multi leg flight home from Asia. I'm just thankful it hit at home, about 24 hours after getting off the plane. The most unpleasant 36 hours I've ever experienced.

 

I now use my elbows for many, many in-public tasks, including pushing elevator buttons, opening and closing doors, and anything else I can think to do! :p

[miched]

Yep, I've read that on military ships, they have less problem because many railings are copper and other similar bacteria and viral fighting metals.

 

We should then start carrying pennies in our pocket and shake them in our hands after using the restrooms and before eating. :D

 

happy cruising 🌊🚢🇺🇸🌞

[Ozzmund]

Hmmm, so my plan of counting on the alcohol consumed using the Premium Alcohol Package won't kill the virus?

 

 

Seriously my hand washing and Purell usage makes folks think I am OCD.

[Kartgv]

I think if they made all passengers and employees wear latex gloves and surgical masks the problem would go away.

 

Won't do any good if they don't change the gloves after using the bathroom!

[TRAVELBABE1]

The fix is PERSONABLE RESPONSIBILITY, not making the corporations enforce some new rules or such other remedy that won't work anyway.

 

Personal responsibility is pretty much the fix for just about everything!

[Lisah101]

The answer is for everyone to wash their hands - pushing hand sanitizer makes people think they can use that INSTEAD of handwashing. "hand sanitizers can be used in addition to hand washing. But, they should not be used as a substitute for washing with soap and water." - Direct from CDC http://www.cdc.gov/norovirus/preventing-infection.html

Edited February 23, 2015 by Lisah101

[neverbeenhere]

Dreamers. American pennies are zinc, coated with copper. I carry a 12 foot length of 2 inch cooper pipe with me throughout the day. Bring your vinyl gloves as latex gloves and gluten might cause a riot. Stuff happens.

[dennbr9]

I bet if they got rid of the passengers it would stop happening :p

 

Only solution I can think of:) Maybe get rid of the Crew too?

 

Folks need to realize the NOROvirus is not a Cruise Ship only issue. It started and is named after Norwalk, OH where it was first isolated. A long way from a Cruise port heh. Schools in NJ areas were closed last year for Norovirus outbreaks.

 

It is more prevalent n the general population and occurs more often % wise there than at Sea. Just does not make the news. Folks catch the Stomach Flu, the 24 hr virus, gastrointestinal issues etc and very often this is NOROvirus.

 

Just as likely to catch it at the Mall as on a Cruise. I would worry more about what is floating around in the plane ride down myself.

[Cooso]

I love reading 'wash your hands.' I'm trained in delivering the food safety qualification and one of things I used to do is give my students a powder to wash their hands with. I'd then use a UV lamp over their hands to see where they hadn't cleaned them properly. Most of the time, in between the fingers was missed.

 

Did you know you need to lather then scrub your hands for at least 20 seconds? Then use a paper towel to dry them. I hate seeing hand dryers as moisture and warmth is the ideal condition for bacteria to spread.

Edited February 23, 2015 by Cooso

[phoenix_dream]

Noro is not airborne....you cannot inhale and catch it nor spread it.

 

If you are near someone who is actively ill (need we say more:() or in a room where someone was very recently actively ill, then the droplets are in the air and they can be inhaled. Yes, you cannot get it from just being around someone who is ill but not 'actively' at the time. Hence , I presume, the reason hospital workers do not require masks to be worn in general for gastro illnesses. I learned this from reading a study I found on the CDC website. I am not a doctor or nurse, but the study specifically said it could transmit through droplets of active virus spewing into the air. Yuck

[Adidas4fun]

If you are near someone who is actively ill (need we say more:() or in a room where someone was very recently actively ill, then the droplets are in the air and they can be inhaled. Yes, you cannot get it from just being around someone who is ill but not 'actively' at the time. Hence , I presume, the reason hospital workers do not require masks to be worn in general for gastro illnesses. I learned this from reading a study I found on the CDC website. I am not a doctor or nurse, but the study specifically said it could transmit through droplets of active virus spewing into the air. Yuck

 

Yes, one of the latest strains of noro can be droplet spread. The person has to be vomiting or very recently vomited. The droplets dont stay airborne for long - but they do settle on nearby surfaces from where they remain infectious via touch for more than two weeks.

[surebeatssailing]

Just disembarked from Equinox today. Great time except for the noro which surfaced about 4 days ago. Crew was exceptional & overworked with additional chores trying to prevent the spread. Despite washing hands & using the gel it is very easy to become "contaminated"---just consider how many times you hand over your sea pass card for the drinks, coffee ,etc during the course of a day. We tried to wipe our cards with bacterial wipes but after an afternoon of this craziness it became impossible to continue this. All of us try to follow the hand washing/ gel protocol but sometimes, despite all of our efforts you may still get sick---whether it be ship related, ports, planes or the local grocery store.again kudos to the staff on board the Equinox .

[boscobeans]

I love reading 'wash your hands.

 

You might like listening to this.

 

 

It was shown on the Grandeur 24/7 a few weeks ago.

 

bosco

[Iamthesea]

Came over here because the other thread disappeared. I thought they had been combined, but no. :confused:

 

Good point about the Seapass cards being handled. Hadn't thought about that.:rolleyes: The problem about wiping them down is that the ink already wears off quickly. If I started wiping with an antibacterial wipe, they would be wiped clean! I wonder if it would be alright to put a bit of clear tape over the cards to keep them from wearing so badly.

[lola2013]

I was on Equinox last week when the virus hit, and I must commend Celebrity on their ability to keep it contained. Their vigilance was amazing...every available crew member did their best to keep the non-affected passengers healthy & happy. And while many were not happy about being able to fill their own plates & coffee cups at the Oceanview Café, it was a minor inconvenience and much appreciated by most other passengers.

And after seeing the library books removed, Bibles, drinking glasses & other marketing material removed from our cabins and the internet café closed down on the last day, I had to wonder: can we not catch the virus in the casino or the gym???