What will it take to make Carnival understand...

[wannagonow123]

Sit in a smoking area! Never any kids there.

 

If you want a nice quiet area to relax, try Holland America. In the dead of summer, there are very few kids. Pools are usually empty .

 

Face it. Carnival is a business and out to make money. They will make more money off the family with children, than with the "average" couple. If the kids in these families have no where to swim, they will go to another company. Oops, there go higher prices, and then everyone will complain about that.

 

I really do understand your point. I get frustrate to no end when parents do not watch their children on a cruise because "they are on vacation". Carnival should install the Freestyle soda machines like other cruise lines to keep kids away from the bars. But, I also get it, that it is not my ship, and I have choices other than Carnival. If I want culture, I travel Holland. Quiet. RCI or Holland and just to get away, Carnival.

[deborahjo]

I want our aft pools returned to adult areas. I want Carnival to enforce their rules and keep kids out of where it is adult only areas. I want parents to keep their kids under control so other guest can enjoy their cruise without kids being a pain in the a&& all the time.

 

Yes I have 2 sons both have cruised as kids and adults. They have committed that if they acted like some these kids do they would have been grounded.

 

Just because adults are on vacation and bring their children with them does not give them the right to turn these kids loose on the rest of the guest without monitoring their behavior.

 

 

 

 

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[deborahjo]

Not everyone can afford or wants a balcony so 50% of your suggestion just went right out the window.

 

 

 

Kids can also stay in their cabins or balconies as well. ;)

 

 

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[tef43]

What would it take?

 

A boycott of epic proportions.

 

Until their decisions affect their bottom line in a negative manner, nothing will convince them to walk it back.

[LMaxwell]

Depending on the rate booked, that may not be a viable option.

 

Sure it is. If the change REALLY bothers someone that much, they can cancel. Is it possible there could be a penalty depending on the type of rate or time before sailing? Of course. But the OP asked what does it take for Carnival to notice and cancellations are a universal language.

 

People who complain and then keep their bookings or make more bookings just encourage the cruise line to make changes; they already see that they just get noise but the money keeps coming anyways, so now they know they can push to the next change.

 

Policies get reviewed when it impacts bookings.

[tidecat]

Disagree about the bars. We haven't been able to get seats at the bar before because there were children sitting at it. The problem is that they have to go to the bars to get their sodas. There should be places (or soda machines) where children can get drinks without taking up bar stools.

 

 

This. Even as an adult, I would prefer a separate place to get a soda rather than have to wait for a bartender to make 8-10 drinks before I even get to order something. It certainly would be less of a burden on the crew as well.

 

 

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[Sweet Dutch Girl]

I want Carnival to enforce their rules and keep kids out of where it is adult only areas. I want parents to keep their kids under control so other guest can enjoy their cruise without kids being a pain in the a&& all the time.

 

And it would be nice if Carnival and adults would police themselves as adults can be as unruly and as noisy and as disruptive as kids. And "adults" should be mature enough to understand that their "negative actions" impact those around them. Their "brains" should be fully developed and extremely capable of deciphering good behavior from bad....but sadly they "choose" to treat a ship as their own personal playground without any conscious thought about anyone else's sensibilities.

 

I wish people would give the "kids and their parents don't give a darn" a rest....cause, truth be told, they are only acting like the hundreds of childish adults (without children) who they witness on every cruise. Just read the threads here at CC and you'll find multitudes of examples of "bad" behavior demonstrated by the adults in the crowd.

[First and Ten]

Okay...adults already have:

 

Every Bar

Club

Casino

Serenity Area

Adult Comedy

Cloud9 Spa.

 

What else, besides a pool, do you want? Seriously...what else?

 

 

The Casino and Spa I will agree with. Serenity Area is hit or miss. The adult comedy, while it is stressed over and over that it is an "adult" comedy show for those over 18, some parents just don't think that rules apply to them. Sorry, the bars seem just as kid friendly as Waterworks. Numerous bars I go to on the ship, I am amazed at the number of young kids who are SITTING AT THE BAR. What are parents thinking when they allow this to happen?

 

 

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[sparks1093]

I want our aft pools returned to adult areas. I want Carnival to enforce their rules and keep kids out of where it is adult only areas. I want parents to keep their kids under control so other guest can enjoy their cruise without kids being a pain in the a&& all the time.

 

Yes I have 2 sons both have cruised as kids and adults. They have committed that if they acted like some these kids do they would have been grounded.

 

Just because adults are on vacation and bring their children with them does not give them the right to turn these kids loose on the rest of the guest without monitoring their behavior.

 

 

 

 

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What's the old saying about doing something in one hand and wishing in the other and seeing which gets full first;)? Carnival is now investing money in making the ships more family friendly. No amount of complaining is going to change that.

[sonicbuffalo]

I personally don't see what all the fuss is about? As far as I'm concerned it's about choices. You choose to sail on Carnival when schools are in recess, and you're gonna get kids. Same with RCI and NCL. If you want less kids, sail in the fall, winter, or spring (just avoid spring break). Carnival makes money off of families and that includes kids. Make wise choices!

[FLSteve11]

I'm thinking in the near future we will see for an up charge and an exclusive section , this will be per person and most family's will not purchase ... give it time .. meanwhile enjoy Havana ;p

 

That is pretty much what Princess does, and NCL does with their "Vibe/Posh" areas (granted they do have an adults only area during the day at least).

[Computer Nerd]

Sure it is. If the change REALLY bothers someone that much, they can cancel. Is it possible there could be a penalty depending on the type of rate or time before sailing? Of course. But the OP asked what does it take for Carnival to notice and cancellations are a universal language.

 

People who complain and then keep their bookings or make more bookings just encourage the cruise line to make changes; they already see that they just get noise but the money keeps coming anyways, so now they know they can push to the next change.

 

Policies get reviewed when it impacts bookings.

 

Only an idiot would throw money away over something like this. If a rate was booked where one could get a FULL refund, then that is a viable option. I don't know about anyone else but my mama didn't raise an idiot. I have myself cancelled an NCL cruise because of their policy changes but only because I got a FULL refund (I was lucky, I would have hit the penalty phase 4 days later......whew).

 

BTW, someone canceling where they would lose money would make Carnival even happier. Carnival gets free money and can sell the cabin to someone else which will most likely happen so no message is being sent to Carnival who will see it as a win/win situation for them.

[KPfromCT]

They've made their decision and they are not going to change their minds.

They are a family oriented cruise line, hence families mean kids.

If you don't like it, cruise on another line, or cruise when most kids are in school.

They are constantly making changes and people threaten to boycott, but they keep coming back.

The ships are sailing full.

[FLSteve11]

The Casino and Spa I will agree with. Serenity Area is hit or miss. The adult comedy, while it is stressed over and over that it is an "adult" comedy show for those over 18, some parents just don't think that rules apply to them. Sorry, the bars seem just as kid friendly as Waterworks. Numerous bars I go to on the ship, I am amazed at the number of young kids who are SITTING AT THE BAR. What are parents thinking when they allow this to happen?

 

 

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I've not had any problems with kids In Serenity when I've been there, though admittedly I don't use it that often or for long periods of time. I have seen a few kids at the adult comedy shows, but that's up to the parents. I don't expect anyone to defer to them in terms of conversations, considering the language and topics they'll hear from the jokes. They get what they get then. The bars are not designated as adult only, and it's the only place for them to get their soda and other drinks. So they're as likely to congregate there as anyone else.

 

I've never gotten why lines don't pick one lounge in the evening and make it adult only. Disney does it. A few other ships and lines have an adult only area with a bar in them. Most of them have a lounge in a room that could work for it. I guess they consider the disco at night (which is another adult only area, for the evening at least) to be it. Still, one without loud, blaring music to talk would work better.

[Computer Nerd]

They've made their decision and they are not going to change their minds.

 

Unless you have a crystal ball you have no clue as to whether this statement is accurate or not. Live bands have returned, shrimp cocktails have returned, creme brulee has returned, decisions that have been determined to be bad get changed back all the time.

[Sweet Dutch Girl]

Only an idiot would throw money away over something like this.

 

Oftentimes the perception of an upcoming event is nothing like the reality. For those who don't back out of upcoming cruises with Carnival (because, yes, cancelling can be an expensive option) they may end up with a vacation (even with ever developing changes) that proves to be far more fun than the negative anticipation would suggest.

 

If anyone has previously booked a cruise from mid March to mid April on Carnival they "know" that kids are going to be everywhere...if they book cruises from June to August they know that is when kids will be on board. If they book during the Christmas Holidays they know kids are out of school and will probably be traveling with their parents.

 

If kids aren't on the ship they won't be hogging what once was adult areas. I have been on cruises where there were nothing more than a handful of kids...and both pool areas were packed to the rafters and it took some doing to even get into the water. And I've been on cruises where there were a gazillion kids and, even the main pool, was barely used because kids were sunned out from their port days and gladly found alternative activities.

 

It will be interesting to see how much of an impact the "lack of" adult pools really has on the bottom line and how many people outside of CC really are "aware" of the change. My money says that this will have little impact, just like the lack of chocolates, table clothes, past guest parties have had.

[IntrepidFromDC]

Kids don't bother me, but I've never had a problem finding quiet places on every deck of every ship I've sailed.

 

Kids are not allowed in the casino (I think someone said they are, but that's not true), some will walk through briskly as if they're getting away with something though. I think it's cute to see the kids with their toes at the carpet line "peeking" into the casino as if it was a window instead of the floor changing from tile to carpet.

 

Kids are allowed at some of the bars (maybe all, I just don't know) because as others have said some spin on the barstools like they're at McDonald's.

 

It's a big ship, if the kids bothered me I would go someplace else rather than pent up frustration long enough to vent angst after disembarking.

[LMaxwell]

The Casino and Spa I will agree with. Serenity Area is hit or miss. The adult comedy, while it is stressed over and over that it is an "adult" comedy show for those over 18, some parents just don't think that rules apply to them. Sorry, the bars seem just as kid friendly as Waterworks. Numerous bars I go to on the ship, I am amazed at the number of young kids who are SITTING AT THE BAR. What are parents thinking when they allow this to happen?

 

 

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I think the kids have soda packages but they can only get service at the bar with that. Maybe they'll add coke freestyle machines that are card/chip activated and that should alleviate most of the issue. Or put a rule that says no one under 21 allowed to occupy a bar stool after 9PM or something. Kids can still be in the lounge, I get your point.

 

Also, is the adults comedy show 18+ as a rule? I've never seen anyone at the doors checking. I thought it was just a notation that it was going to be a bit more raunchy langauge, an advisory so you were not surprised. If it's just an advisory and people bring their kids, they should not be shocked by it. I'm sure for many teenagers the language isn't anything they aren't used to in school these days.

[LMaxwell]

Only an idiot would throw money away over something like this. If a rate was booked where one could get a FULL refund, then that is a viable option. I don't know about anyone else but my mama didn't raise an idiot. I have myself cancelled an NCL cruise because of their policy changes but only because I got a FULL refund (I was lucky, I would have hit the penalty phase 4 days later......whew).

 

BTW, someone canceling where they would lose money would make Carnival even happier. Carnival gets free money and can sell the cabin to someone else which will most likely happen so no message is being sent to Carnival who will see it as a win/win situation for them.

 

I'm not one to throw away money either, but for some people they are going to sacrifice $50 per person to move from a vacation where something they put a strong preference on was removed. So a couple might say "For $100, we can bail and go do something else".

 

Heck, there's another thread about price drops and people bragging that they won't call if the price drop is under $50 or $100. Just throwing money away. So, yes, I have no probably believing that people will lose $50 to $100. Just not you. Or me.

[Elaine5715]

Okay...adults already have:

 

Every Bar

Club

Casino

Serenity Area

Adult Comedy

Cloud9 Spa.

 

What else, besides a pool, do you want? Seriously...what else?

Except not.

Children are perched on every bar stool except the dance club in the evening.

They are running through the casino and I have pictures of strollers on the Dream parked between adults playing slots

Besides someone asking weekly on John's page for an exception to bring their snowflake on Serenity.

There are children at the adult show all the time and usually results in offended parents complaining/

[Elaine5715]

I think the kids have soda packages but they can only get service at the bar with that. Maybe they'll add coke freestyle machines that are card/chip activated and that should alleviate most of the issue. Or put a rule that says no one under 21 allowed to occupy a bar stool after 9PM or something. Kids can still be in the lounge, I get your point.

 

Also, is the adults comedy show 18+ as a rule? I've never seen anyone at the doors checking. I thought it was just a notation that it was going to be a bit more raunchy langauge, an advisory so you were not surprised. If it's just an advisory and people bring their kids, they should not be shocked by it. I'm sure for many teenagers the language isn't anything they aren't used to in school these days.

 

No reason for them to drink the soda sitting at the bar.

[LMaxwell]

No reason for them to drink the soda sitting at the bar.

 

Carnival doesn't have a problem with it. I suggested a compromise and longer term solution.

[Elaine5715]

Want to change it? Post on Carnival's page photos and videos of poorly behaving kids. Tag in the CDC for diapered kids in the pool. Write to the CEO. Tweet the examples.

[Elaine5715]

Carnival doesn't have a problem with it. I suggested a compromise and longer term solution.

I agree the bartenders can't do anything about it. I am sure they would rather sell me a $10 drink than refilling sodas but I am not sitting next to children at the bar.

[cruizinisthebest]

Carnival isn't doing anything any different from other cruiselines with the exception of adding completely exclusive adults-only areas that cost out the ying yang to book. Carnival did introduce the Havana area, which is nice, but it's not completely adults only or exclusive 24/7.

 

Carnival cruisers who want a bunch of adult-only space will have to resign themselves that there are some areas but not enough to your liking. Perhaps you've outgrown Carnival. I know we've outgrown strictly going to Disney. Been there. Done that a dozen times. Now a day in one park usually pre-cruise is enough for us. The 500 million kids and adults all over is not as appealing as going on a cruise where the ship offers a variety of atmospheres. We started off cruising alone. Now the kids come. And when they are in camp or whatever, we have no trouble finding quiet if we want it. The evolution works for us. But if it didn't, I would find another solution that made me happy. It's your money. I have a coworker that is raising 3 grandchildren. She told me when she cruises, she wants peace and quiet most of the time. She has been on Carnival but now cruises Celebrity.