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[gerif]

I am sorry for your pain. That would have been awful.

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Having said that, watch this thread grow.... wow.... :o:o:o I predict 14 pages. :D

I’m going to disagree on that prediction only because not one person feels OP is entitled to anything, thus no back and forth arguments to keep the thread going.

[AlanF65]

I’m going to disagree on that prediction only because not one person feels OP is entitled to anything, thus no back and forth arguments to keep the thread going.

 

On humor alone it could easily slip past 14 pages; although we will need forum training for thread slippage which is like thread drift only different

[kalliekae]

Many years ago, I fell while on an excursion and tore tendons in my foot. When I returned to the ship, I went to medical and they promptly put me in a wheelchair for the rest of the cruise. I paid the ship medical bill and had free use of their wheelchair for several days. Nothing else was offered nor did I expect anything. It was MY fault I fell. Life happens and you go with the flow. I still had a great cruise and my kids thought it was fun to push me around in the wheelchair.

[BirdTravels]

A few months back, we were on a RCL ShoreEx where our open air safari bus got into a head-on collision with another vehicle on the highway. We had some minor bruising on the leg when it went flying into the seat in front of us. And some minor back pain. The ship's doctor gave us some muscle relaxant for the back. RCL refunded the cost of the tour, but offered nothing else.

 

The Ship's safety officer took a report,,,, more asking what WE could have done to reduce injury. Like,,, don't book a RCL ShoreEx with an aggressive driver.

 

The ShoreEx manager called daily to make sure we knew that she refunded the cost of the ShoreEx.

 

Very disappointed with the ship's response. But,,, I suppose anything more would have been an admission of guilt or liability on their part.

[smplybcause]

A few months back, we were on a RCL ShoreEx where our open air safari bus got into a head-on collision with another vehicle on the highway. We had some minor bruising on the leg when it went flying into the seat in front of us. And some minor back pain. The ship's doctor gave us some muscle relaxant for the back. RCL refunded the cost of the tour, but offered nothing else.

 

The Ship's safety officer took a report,,,, more asking what WE could have done to reduce injury. Like,,, don't book a RCL ShoreEx with an aggressive driver.

 

The ShoreEx manager called daily to make sure we knew that she refunded the cost of the ShoreEx.

 

Very disappointed with the ship's response. But,,, I suppose anything more would have been an admission of guilt or liability on their part.

Reminds me of when I fell during a game on board. I fell badly when someone crashed into me, but it was so crowded no one really noticed and it wasn't until I got myself out of the game area that my foot was twice its normal size already! Had to fill out a report and laughed at the what could I have done to avoid it - my response was I could have never gone to the game. The safety officer just muttered under his breath that he hated that game. They triaged me, luckily it was a little more than 24 hours before we disembarked and the last day was a sea day. They didn't charge me for using the med facilities, but I sure paid a lot when I got home between the dr visits and and PT.

 

A wheel chair would have been nice, they gave me crutches instead so I did next to nothing the last day as it was too hard to go anywhere crowded.

 

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[shopaholic6]

Most likely the slippers did not include full instructions for use, where to use and how to use, warnings and cautions.

 

 

Did the daily planner offer training classes for donning ,walking and removing slippers.

 

 

 

There is just so much more that could be done by Royal.

 

 

Disclaimer: I am not a professional slipper trainer and often post sarcasm.

 

:'):'):'):')

[ReneeFLL]

Why in the world would you think RC owes you anything? Probably won't appreciate my thought, but I think you should learn how to walk in slippers or don't wear them. I'm also thinking it must be April Fools Day somewhere in the world. :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

[Bloodgem]

A few months back, we were on a RCL ShoreEx where our open air safari bus got into a head-on collision with another vehicle on the highway. We had some minor bruising on the leg when it went flying into the seat in front of us. And some minor back pain. The ship's doctor gave us some muscle relaxant for the back. RCL refunded the cost of the tour, but offered nothing else.

 

The Ship's safety officer took a report,,,, more asking what WE could have done to reduce injury. Like,,, don't book a RCL ShoreEx with an aggressive driver.

 

The ShoreEx manager called daily to make sure we knew that she refunded the cost of the ShoreEx.

 

Very disappointed with the ship's response. But,,, I suppose anything more would have been an admission of guilt or liability on their part.

Not sure what else you wanted from RC. The bus would have been operated by a 3rd party. RC would have given you the details of the bus operator if you had requested it. Then you sue the bus company for your injuries.

[Paulxyz2004]

I recently hurt my ellbow when stepping out my cabins bathroom on RCI with banging it against the door frame. I got a nice bruise on it. Well I wore the robe they prvided to me, so I think I should seek some compensation. Any thoughts on how to go ahead with this?:rolleyes:;p

[jagsfan]

A few months back, we were on a RCL ShoreEx where our open air safari bus got into a head-on collision with another vehicle on the highway. We had some minor bruising on the leg when it went flying into the seat in front of us. And some minor back pain. The ship's doctor gave us some muscle relaxant for the back. RCL refunded the cost of the tour, but offered nothing else.

 

 

 

The Ship's safety officer took a report,,,, more asking what WE could have done to reduce injury. Like,,, don't book a RCL ShoreEx with an aggressive driver.

 

 

 

The ShoreEx manager called daily to make sure we knew that she refunded the cost of the ShoreEx.

 

 

 

Very disappointed with the ship's response. But,,, I suppose anything more would have been an admission of guilt or liability on their part.

 

 

 

And since there was no guilt or liability they would need to avoid creating that impression.

Chocolate covered strawberries might have helped, though.

 

 

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[S.A.M.J.R.]

Reminds me of when I fell during a game on board. I fell badly when someone crashed into me, but it was so crowded no one really noticed and it wasn't until I got myself out of the game area that my foot was twice its normal size already! Had to fill out a report and laughed at the what could I have done to avoid it - my response was I could have never gone to the game. The safety officer just muttered under his breath that he hated that game. They triaged me, luckily it was a little more than 24 hours before we disembarked and the last day was a sea day. They didn't charge me for using the med facilities, but I sure paid a lot when I got home between the dr visits and and PT.

 

A wheel chair would have been nice, they gave me crutches instead so I did next to nothing the last day as it was too hard to go anywhere crowded.

 

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On our last cruise, I decided to play in the volleyball tournament. Played one game, no problem. Played another game and jumped up to spike the ball and when I landed, my knee twisted. I went down, they stopped the game and I was able to walk it off. The next game I played, I again went to spike the ball and my knee twisted on the landing. The guy running the game immediately got me a wheelchair and I was taken to medical. Exam and X-rays just showed a bad sprain. They gave me crutches that day (last sea day) and to check back in before leaving the ship the next day.

 

When I checked back in, they gave me a cane. I asked about payment and they said since it was an accident during an RCI activity, there would be no charge. I left the ship with the cane.

[Zu~]

Is this a joke? Were the "slippers" damaged in any way? Were the soles not attached properly? Or did you just trip in slippers?

 

You have no recourse. You slipped and fell. It's terrible that you were injured to the point of staying in your cabin for three days but I don't see anyway that RCCL is at fault for this.

The slippers were given to me after my pedicure, they had NO traction and I was very careful walking by the pool deck avoiding wet spots, when I fell face first. When I went back for my manicure 4 days later the gal there said she won't let her clients go out on deck in those slippers and directs them to an elevator..

 

I am pretty disappointed in some of the responses implying I am money hungry trying to get something over on them. Not the case at all. To the snarky person who said it was the slippers fault, they are correct absolutely no tread on those things.

 

Anyway,I wrote to guest services and suggested they tell the people in the salon to not give those slippers out or to escort them to the elevator to make their journey back to their room. After I turned in my suggestion they gave me a small credit for my next cruise.

 

So thank you for the sincere responses.

[stleda124]

The slippers were given to me after my pedicure, they had NO traction and I was very careful walking by the pool deck avoiding wet spots, when I fell face first. When I went back for my manicure 4 days later the gal there said she won't let her clients go out on deck in those slippers and directs them to an elevator..

 

 

 

I am pretty disappointed in some of the responses implying I am money hungry trying to get something over on them. Not the case at all. To the snarky person who said it was the slippers fault, they are correct absolutely no tread on those things.

 

 

 

Anyway,I wrote to guest services and suggested they tell the people in the salon to not give those slippers out or to escort them to the elevator to make their journey back to their room. After I turned in my suggestion they gave me a small credit for my next cruise.

 

 

 

So thank you for the sincere responses.

 

 

 

You walked on the pool deck with slippers?!

 

I’m done here.

 

 

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[chengkp75]

The slippers were given to me after my pedicure, they had NO traction and I was very careful walking by the pool deck avoiding wet spots, when I fell face first. When I went back for my manicure 4 days later the gal there said she won't let her clients go out on deck in those slippers and directs them to an elevator..

 

I am pretty disappointed in some of the responses implying I am money hungry trying to get something over on them. Not the case at all. To the snarky person who said it was the slippers fault, they are correct absolutely no tread on those things.

 

Anyway,I wrote to guest services and suggested they tell the people in the salon to not give those slippers out or to escort them to the elevator to make their journey back to their room. After I turned in my suggestion they gave me a small credit for my next cruise.

 

So thank you for the sincere responses.

 

You walked on the pool deck with slippers?!

 

I’m done here.

 

 

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Yes, so rather than going down a deck or two, then proceeding through a carpeted passageway to your cabin, you decided to wear slippers (usually indoor clothing) to an outside pool deck. Now, as a first consideration, the slippers were given by a spa worker, who does not work for the cruise line, so at the best you should be directing any remedy against the spa operator. Secondly, since there was no negligence on the part of the spa or its employee (as a court would rule, a reasonable person would not wear slippers outside, in the wet), there would be no liability on the part of either the spa operator or the cruise line.

 

Did you have to go through the pool deck to get to an elevator, as you suggest, which I find hard to believe though you don't mention which ship so I can't check the deck plan, or was it just that you wanted to use the "most convenient" elevator to your cabin? When you put the slippers on, did you not notice that the soles were smooth? As I've said, courts will look at what is reasonable in the use of a product supplied by a vendor.

[Ocean Boy]

At least the fall didn't prevent the return visit for the manicure.

 

I am not aware of any RCI ship where there is not some way to get from the spa to anywhere else on the ship and avoid a wet pool deck. Fortunate, I guess, the slippers are available to take the blame for a questionable decision.

[Mcdonaldbam]

The slippers were given to me after my pedicure, they had NO traction and I was very careful walking by the pool deck avoiding wet spots, when I fell face first.

 

So you realized that the slippers were a potential hazard before you fell but choose to use them anyway. This is RCCL's fault?

[rt1092]

Attorneys take these types of cases on contingency because they believe the payout will be sufficient to compensate them for their time and effort. Good luck finding one who will think this way about your accident.

 

Unless you are seriously injured. I mean taken off the ship via via helicopter or ambulance and admitted to a hospital. You aren't going to get anything via a law suit.

The cruise line industry is governed by admiralty law. All claims are processed in federal court. Larry (ambulance chaser) Lawyer does not stand a chance against the admiralty lawyers the cruise lines have. I have owned and operated passenger vessels for 40 years and we were governed by the same laws. People would try to sue us for everything from sea sickness to slip and fall. We fought every claim and the insurance company never paid a dime.

We would offer to pay legitimate medical costs. On the cruise ships they won't charge you for accidents that happened on the ship. That was all we would offer. And all anyone would get.

Also food for thought. Under the Jones act the owner of the vessel can only be liable for the value of the vessel and it's cargo value.

[mjkacmom]

The slippers were given to me after my pedicure, they had NO traction and I was very careful walking by the pool deck avoiding wet spots, when I fell face first. When I went back for my manicure 4 days later the gal there said she won't let her clients go out on deck in those slippers and directs them to an elevator..

 

I am pretty disappointed in some of the responses implying I am money hungry trying to get something over on them. Not the case at all. To the snarky person who said it was the slippers fault, they are correct absolutely no tread on those things.

 

Anyway,I wrote to guest services and suggested they tell the people in the salon to not give those slippers out or to escort them to the elevator to make their journey back to their room. After I turned in my suggestion they gave me a small credit for my next cruise.

 

So thank you for the sincere responses.

Why would you get a pedicure without wearing flip flops? All of the nail salons here use those cheap ones for those who forget to wear their own, they sure aren’t easy to drive with either. BTW, the spa leases space from the cruise line.

[chengkp75]

Also food for thought. Under the Jones act the owner of the vessel can only be liable for the value of the vessel and it's cargo value.

 

First off, the Jones Act only applies to US flag vessels, so in the cruise industry, that's a pretty limited number, and as you say, it only covers cargo. The liability of cruise ship owners in personal injury incidents is governed by the Shipping Act of 1984. Secondly, the amount of liability for foreign flag vessels is limited by the Athens Convention, as noted previously, which limits liability in cases of death or personal injury to 325,000 SDR (or thereabouts) (Special Drawing Rights, an international quasi-currency for standardization of claims). And another limitation could be the cruise line's P&I insurance cover, if there is no negligence found on the part of the ship owner.

[rt1092]

First off, the Jones Act only applies to US flag vessels, so in the cruise industry, that's a pretty limited number, and as you say, it only covers cargo. The liability of cruise ship owners in personal injury incidents is governed by the Shipping Act of 1984. Secondly, the amount of liability for foreign flag vessels is limited by the Athens Convention, as noted previously, which limits liability in cases of death or personal injury to 325,000 SDR (or thereabouts) (Special Drawing Rights, an international quasi-currency for standardization of claims). And another limitation could be the cruise line's P&I insurance cover, if there is no negligence found on the part of the ship owner.

That is true. My mistake. I wasn't thinking about the foreign flag vessels. I have only had experience with US flagged vessels.

[Rala]

You walked on the pool deck with slippers?!

 

I’m done here.

 

 

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Wait up! I'm coming with you ! ;p

[gerif]

The slippers were given to me after my pedicure, they had NO traction and I was very careful walking by the pool deck avoiding wet spots, when I fell face first. When I went back for my manicure 4 days later the gal there said she won't let her clients go out on deck in those slippers and directs them to an elevator..

 

I am pretty disappointed in some of the responses implying I am money hungry trying to get something over on them. Not the case at all. To the snarky person who said it was the slippers fault, they are correct absolutely no tread on those things.

 

Anyway,I wrote to guest services and suggested they tell the people in the salon to not give those slippers out or to escort them to the elevator to make their journey back to their room. After I turned in my suggestion they gave me a small credit for my next cruise.

 

So thank you for the sincere responses.

So my questions are - what were you planning to wear back to your cabin if slippers were not provided and if you knew that the slippers had no tread, why on earth did you wear them in an area where you knew or certainly should have known you were in danger of falling (wet pool deck)? You said in your first post that RCI gave you the slippers - they did not. The spa is a consignment. If you feel it was at fault, that is where you need to look for compensation.

[smplybcause]

I haven't been on a RC so where the spa was on the same deck as the pool. So unless you were on a ship that it is, your purposefully went to an area you knew was wet (and where people slip wearing shoes with tread) on shoes you knew were crap for traction.

 

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[Paulxyz2004]

The slippers were given to me after my pedicure, they had NO traction and I was very careful walking by the pool deck avoiding wet spots, when I fell face first. When I went back for my manicure 4 days later the gal there said she won't let her clients go out on deck in those slippers and directs them to an elevator..

 

I am pretty disappointed in some of the responses implying I am money hungry trying to get something over on them. Not the case at all. To the snarky person who said it was the slippers fault, they are correct absolutely no tread on those things.

 

Anyway,I wrote to guest services and suggested they tell the people in the salon to not give those slippers out or to escort them to the elevator to make their journey back to their room. After I turned in my suggestion they gave me a small credit for my next cruise.

 

So thank you for the sincere responses.

 

I took a fall and hurt my knee badly. Does anyone know if once I am off the ship I have any recourse? I have insurance etc., but since they gave me the slippers that caused my painful fall, I think I should get an OBC or at least a future cruise credit. I spent 3 days in my cabin icing and not putting weight on it. They did however send me a bottle of wine. Don't know if this kind of question is allowed here, but any help/thoughts would be appreciated. Thanks, Zu~

 

So if you don´t want to get anything out of them, why do you post the question if you have any recourse? Sorry but after that one you can´t back up into telling your only reason to post was to warn others.

 

 

Obviously you didn´t get just a bottle of wine like posted at first, but also some FCC, but still want more I guess.

 

 

Yeah not money hungry.:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

[nascarcruiser]

The slippers were given to me after my pedicure, they had NO traction and I was very careful walking by the pool deck avoiding wet spots, when I fell face first. When I went back for my manicure 4 days later the gal there said she won't let her clients go out on deck in those slippers and directs them to an elevator..

 

I am pretty disappointed in some of the responses implying I am money hungry trying to get something over on them. Not the case at all. To the snarky person who said it was the slippers fault, they are correct absolutely no tread on those things.

 

Anyway,I wrote to guest services and suggested they tell the people in the salon to not give those slippers out or to escort them to the elevator to make their journey back to their room. After I turned in my suggestion they gave me a small credit for my next cruise.

 

So thank you for the sincere responses.

Ok so I knew there had to be more to the story. I never get a pedicure without wearing shoes that are appropriate for after the service. This was an accident plain and simple that could have been avoided if you had planned accordingly. Should the spa personnel said do not go anywhere that's not carpeted? Maybe but common sense should have prevailed