New Carnival Smoking Policy

[FSHLOT]

8 hours ago, BlerkOne said:

 

Is that some sort of threat?  A rhetorical question.

 

I don't have to prove someone was smoking, I just have to report it. And another reason why the rules for vaping are the same as for smoking. 

 

 

A threat? Really?  No threat, just a rhetorical observence..............

 

I know YOU dont have to prove anything, but if you call security they may not do anything without some kind of proof. Maybe you will feel better by calling security, i know if security shows up at my door with false accusations i will be mad as hell. And the first people you think of as a RAT would be one of your neighbors. Just saying. Im not condoning smoking on balcony, im just thinking of the after math.

[sparks1093]

11 minutes ago, FSHLOT said:

A threat? Really?  No threat, just a rhetorical observence..............

 

I know YOU dont have to prove anything, but if you call security they may not do anything without some kind of proof. Maybe you will feel better by calling security, i know if security shows up at my door with false accusations i will be mad as hell. And the first people you think of as a RAT would be one of your neighbors. Just saying. Im not condoning smoking on balcony, im just thinking of the after math.

So you will falsely accuse one of your neighbors for falsely accusing you (since it could have been any one of up to 8 cabins). You keep using the word RAT, which implies that the person RATTING is in the wrong, even though it's the smoker who is breaking the rules. Sorry, I don't buy that for a minute.  A RAT properly speaking is someone who is initially a participant in an illicit act and then throws his or her fellow participants under the bus to save their own skin.

[FSHLOT]

6 minutes ago, sparks1093 said:

So you will falsely accuse one of your neighbors for falsely accusing you (since it could have been any one of up to 8 cabins). You keep using the word RAT, which implies that the person RATTING is in the wrong, even though it's the smoker who is breaking the rules. Sorry, I don't buy that for a minute.  A RAT properly speaking is someone who is initially a participant in an illicit act and then throws his or her fellow participants under the bus to save their own skin.

 

A "RAT"  means a tattle tale, in my book. Stop looking into it so deeply.  A Rat is a Rat, and i smell quite a few in this thread. Happy cruising!!!

[rukkian]

9 minutes ago, FSHLOT said:

 

A "RAT"  means a tattle tale, in my book. Stop looking into it so deeply.  A Rat is a Rat, and i smell quite a few in this thread. Happy cruising!!!

A rat implies they did something wrong.  There is nothing wrong with asking gs to deal with an issue you are having, that is causing you to not enjoy you balcony.

[sparks1093]

13 minutes ago, FSHLOT said:

 

A "RAT"  means a tattle tale, in my book. Stop looking into it so deeply.  A Rat is a Rat, and i smell quite a few in this thread. Happy cruising!!!

Your book needs to be re-written😉. I would gladly be a RAT if someone is violating any rule that affects the health of me and my loved ones. If they want to be all mad at me it's no big deal.

[sanmarcosman]

1 hour ago, FSHLOT said:

 

A "RAT"  means a tattle tale, in my book. Stop looking into it so deeply.  A Rat is a Rat, and i smell quite a few in this thread. Happy cruising!!!

You're confusing a rat with a snitch. Sparks is correct, pay him. 🐭

[mredandchis]

I have been following this thread and what i read a lot is fire fire fire.  And ok I will grant you that it is a possibilty but not a probability.  There isnt much burnable on a balcony, and i think it would be difficult to even intentionally start a fire of any real size and scope.  Even if i had an arc welder it wouldnt be an easy task. BUT there is something else that should make it a deterrent from tossing a lit cigarette overboard.  and that is the danger of it landing on someone down the way.  I am a smoker and if I had someone hot butt land in my lap I would be madder that a badger caught in a trap.  So it is logical that people dont toss a lit cigarette around.  And i have seen it done on occasion and i will confront the transgressor.  

 

Now the OP was that they increased the fine for smoking in non smoking areas and as for me I dont care if they make it 5000 dollars cause I only smoke in designated areas.  I am assuming that carnival will execute this rule with some sort of procedure.  Maybe this rule should be enacted upon all the carnival rules and regulations?  I think that would be a grand idea. 

[CruiseHealing]

6 hours ago, chengkp75 said:

I now remember this incident, but I haven't found anything that says "it was determined" to be a cigarette from another balcony or even from someone on that balcony smoking.  I see things saying "it is surmised" and speculation on social media, but naturally given the small extent of the fire, no official report.  If someone can point me in the direction of a definitive cause of the fire, I'd appreciate it.  However, given that the fire doors closed, this shows that there is fire detection equipment on the balconies, reducing the risk of fire, and that the sprinkler system is present on the balconies as well, again reducing risk.

 

And the one fact that I still hold to regarding these suppositions about a cigarette starting a towel on fire, was that during the Star Princess fire investigation, under laboratory conditions, the fire investigators could not prove their main point of their scenario by getting a towel to ignite from a cigarette, placed against the towel.

I agree with your statement, however, we just can't assume a towel was possibly involved. There could have other articles of clothing and possibility some form of paper, I.e. books, newspaper or FunTimes.  There are many forms of fabrics that are highly combustible, so a fire caused by a cigarette is still highly possible.  The article I read stated it was a cigarette and towel, but it could of been something more combustible.

[Seadog & Sea Hag]

Another typical “Smokers Lobby “ post. Very pathetic. And yes, I am a reformed smoker.

[cruise77]

guess they could sell the aft cabins first  then sell forward  that's the way the wind blows the smoke.

 

[FSHLOT]

5 hours ago, sanmarcosman said:

You're confusing a rat with a snitch. Sparks is correct, pay him. 🐭

Get off the kick, It means the same thing.  I cant pay him, he's in that long line at Guest Services waiting to RAT on someone...

Edited November 23, 2018 by FSHLOT

[sparks1093]

8 minutes ago, FSHLOT said:

Get off the kick, It means the same thing.  I cant pay him, he's in that long line at Guest Services waiting to RAT on someone...

Nope, I'll wait until there's no line or use the phone.

[bplazo]

They should then enforce all the rules.

[sparks1093]

4 hours ago, Carnival Cheerleader said:

Because there is no rule or requirement to narc on someone.

No, there isn't, but if it's interfering with our enjoyment of our balcony you can bet I'll be reporting it. As I've mentioned DW's asthma is triggered by cigarette smoke so this could have serious consequences for her.

[Shaded Lady]

I read the entire thread- some posts made me smile, some made me mad... bottom line, thank you to everyone for your thoughts and opinions- we're all entitled to them!

 

From my perspective, I pay for a balcony and don't like the smell of cigarette smoke. If I knew conclusively that a particular cabin near me was smoking, I would (and have) report them to Guest Services. It's my right to enjoy my balcony and I'm following the rules. They are not. Conversely, anyone who enters a legitimate smoking area and complains needs to just shut up.

 

As for the failed Paradise experiment, I think that a whole lot has changed in the 20 years since they launched that ship. How many of you eat in a restaurant (not a bar, but a real restaurant) that allows smoking today? 20 years ago it was much different. How many of you work in an office that allows smoking at your desk, or in your immediate work area? Again, 20 years ago, much different approach.

 

I think if Carnival were to introduce a smoke-free ship, or even a ship with a smoke-free casino and limited smoking area, it would be readily accepted, whereas 20 years ago it was not. For those of you who insist that a casino can't survive without smokers, just check out a Celebrity cruise!

 

Just remember, all of my statements are my opinion, and I'm entitled to them, just as anyone who disagrees with me is as well. 

[joaniedark]

My worst problem is I smoke herbal blends, and if you whip a wormwood cigarette out at the casino I'm sure you'll be detained for someone thinking that's the devil's lettuce, haha

 

Not that I smoke on balconies, but I can see someone who does the same thing not wanting to smoke in public. The veranda balconies really look too tiny to be able to inhale an incense stick without possibly bothering folk, so I can see why it's an issue.

[grandmarnnurse]

1 hour ago, Shaded Lady said:

I read the entire thread- some posts made me smile, some made me mad... bottom line, thank you to everyone for your thoughts and opinions- we're all entitled to them!

 

From my perspective, I pay for a balcony and don't like the smell of cigarette smoke. If I knew conclusively that a particular cabin near me was smoking, I would (and have) report them to Guest Services. It's my right to enjoy my balcony and I'm following the rules. They are not. Conversely, anyone who enters a legitimate smoking area and complains needs to just shut up.

 

As for the failed Paradise experiment, I think that a whole lot has changed in the 20 years since they launched that ship. How many of you eat in a restaurant (not a bar, but a real restaurant) that allows smoking today? 20 years ago it was much different. How many of you work in an office that allows smoking at your desk, or in your immediate work area? Again, 20 years ago, much different approach.

 

I think if Carnival were to introduce a smoke-free ship, or even a ship with a smoke-free casino and limited smoking area, it would be readily accepted, whereas 20 years ago it was not. For those of you who insist that a casino can't survive without smokers, just check out a Celebrity cruise!

 

Just remember, all of my statements are my opinion, and I'm entitled to them, just as anyone who disagrees with me is as well. 

This was spot on!! The argument that they tried a smoke free cruise and it failed doesn’t hold water today, in an age where many more people are educated on the dangers, and have quit. As for workers not wanting to work it if there’s no smoking, I’m sure there are plenty of non smoking workers out there wanting the job. Again, it’s a different time than 20 years ago. Much has changed.

[chengkp75]

3 minutes ago, grandmarnnurse said:

This was spot on!! The argument that they tried a smoke free cruise and it failed doesn’t hold water today, in an age where many more people are educated on the dangers, and have quit. As for workers not wanting to work it if there’s no smoking, I’m sure there are plenty of non smoking workers out there wanting the job. Again, it’s a different time than 20 years ago. Much has changed.

And again, this shows a truly US-centric viewpoint, that disregards statistics that show the vastly higher smoking percentages in countries other than the US, where the crew are recruited.  Much has changed in the US, but the percentage of male smokers in Indonesia has reversed the US trend, and has increased from 56% in 2000, to an astounding 76% in 2015.

[rukkian]

39 minutes ago, grandmarnnurse said:

This was spot on!! The argument that they tried a smoke free cruise and it failed doesn’t hold water today, in an age where many more people are educated on the dangers, and have quit. As for workers not wanting to work it if there’s no smoking, I’m sure there are plenty of non smoking workers out there wanting the job. Again, it’s a different time than 20 years ago. Much has changed.

Not sure you even need to have non-smoking workers.  You can have a smoking lounge for employees that would not effect passengers.   

[AmazedByCruising]

47 minutes ago, chengkp75 said:

And again, this shows a truly US-centric viewpoint, that disregards statistics that show the vastly higher smoking percentages in countries other than the US, where the crew are recruited.  Much has changed in the US, but the percentage of male smokers in Indonesia has reversed the US trend, and has increased from 56% in 2000, to an astounding 76% in 2015.

 

If the ship is smoke free in all passenger areas, but the crew areas are not, I'd say it's a "smoke free cruise". Like a restaurant can be "smoke free" even when the waiters go outside for a cigarette once in a while.

 

I am a smoker myself, but I do think that there's a market for completely smoke free cruises where many of the crew still smoke, but keeping it "a secret" to the passengers. Nobody cares that Goofy on a Disney ship goes wild at crew parties.

[BlerkOne]

9 hours ago, Carnival Cheerleader said:

 

And now waiters/waitresses walking around the MDR with Baked Alaska that has an open flame on top. So much higher risk of a fire starting with that than an almost dead cigarette landing on non-combustible material and starting a fire.

 

I'l like you to show the math on that bogus assertion.

[chengkp75]

7 minutes ago, AmazedByCruising said:

 

If the ship is smoke free in all passenger areas, but the crew areas are not, I'd say it's a "smoke free cruise". Like a restaurant can be "smoke free" even when the waiters go outside for a cigarette once in a while.

 

I am a smoker myself, but I do think that there's a market for completely smoke free cruises where many of the crew still smoke, but keeping it "a secret" to the passengers. Nobody cares that Goofy on a Disney ship goes wild at crew parties.

One of the frequent complaints on CC regarding smoking on ships is the crew outside smoking area "transferring" to passenger areas.  And those crew would still smell of smoke and their uniforms would as well.  Yes, there is a market for smoke free cruises, and these are supplied by the higher priced lines.

[BlerkOne]

9 hours ago, Carnival Cheerleader said:

Because there is no rule or requirement to narc on someone.

 

No, it is a privilege and my pleasure to blow the whistle on inconsiderate jerks.

[BlerkOne]

5 minutes ago, chengkp75 said:

One of the frequent complaints on CC regarding smoking on ships is the crew outside smoking area "transferring" to passenger areas.  And those crew would still smell of smoke and their uniforms would as well.  Yes, there is a market for smoke free cruises, and these are supplied by the higher priced lines.

 

I don't think you'll find a mass market for smoke-free cruises.

[coevan]

21 minutes ago, BlerkOne said:

 

I'l like you to show the math on that bogus assertion.

 

 

 

You're right, I believe it's a sparkler, not a candle