New Carnival Smoking Policy

[Shaded Lady]

49 minutes ago, chengkp75 said:

One of the frequent complaints on CC regarding smoking on ships is the crew outside smoking area "transferring" to passenger areas.  And those crew would still smell of smoke and their uniforms would as well.  Yes, there is a market for smoke free cruises, and these are supplied by the higher priced lines.

Chengkp- I have a ton of respect for your input on these boards, so please don't consider this a slam- but really the argument you made doesn't amount to a hill of beans to me... I don't care if my server in an onshore restaurant smokes like a chimney, as long as I can enjoy my meal without someone puffing away beside me! And if they have a smoking area it doesn't really intrude into the restaurant. So I really don't care if the crew has a designated smoking spot, and I doubt I'd get close enough to my waiter or room steward to smell their clothes.

 

I really think soon enough one of the mass market cruiselines will introduce a smokefree ship again, and as long as they don't get stupid and jack the prices up, I'll cruise on it! And I'm willing to bet a lot of others will too.

[BlerkOne]

46 minutes ago, coevan said:

 

 

 

You're right, I believe it's a sparkler, not a candle

 

I think neither

 

[PhillyFan33579]

12 minutes ago, Shaded Lady said:

Chengkp- I have a ton of respect for your input on these boards, so please don't consider this a slam- but really the argument you made doesn't amount to a hill of beans to me... I don't care if my server in an onshore restaurant smokes like a chimney, as long as I can enjoy my meal without someone puffing away beside me! And if they have a smoking area it doesn't really intrude into the restaurant. So I really don't care if the crew has a designated smoking spot, and I doubt I'd get close enough to my waiter or room steward to smell their clothes.

 

I really think soon enough one of the mass market cruiselines will introduce a smokefree ship again, and as long as they don't get stupid and jack the prices up, I'll cruise on it! And I'm willing to bet a lot of others will too.

 

I don’t think Carnival will be the one to  introduce another smoke free ship again. The demographics they market to these days clearly includes people who smoke. 

[sparks1093]

21 minutes ago, PhillyFan33579 said:

 

I don’t think Carnival will be the one to  introduce another smoke free ship again. The demographics they market to these days clearly includes people who smoke. 

And since they got burned last time they are less likely to try it again. (I really don't know if I intended that pun or not.)

[coevan]

However, in 2004 more than 20% of the U.S. smoked. By 2017 the percentage was less than 15%, maybe there is hope. 

 

 

Blerkone, it looks like a mini sterno, I do remember seeing sparklers as well. Sternos are definitely more dangerous

[Blue Boobie]

On ‎11‎/‎19‎/‎2018 at 5:50 PM, homer2005 said:

As a non smoker, I would never report someone smoking on their balcony.

 

I would have absolutely no problem what so ever reporting someone breaking the rules.  My life and safety heavily trump their desire to feed their addiction and their total disregard for the lives of other passengers.

[Doggielover68]

On 11/22/2018 at 9:29 PM, CruiseHealing said:

 Three of the last four balconies we have had smokers next to us that like to use the balcony as their personal smoking area.  DW will not use the balcony if a smokers is next to us and we get the downwind cigarette smoke.  So, the use of the balcony is hindered by a next door neighbor smoking.  When this happen our balcony cabin becomes an overpriced ocean view cabin.

 

we have complained every time.  The previous comment that complaining  could create an uncomfortable time.  Not really!  The last time we had the room steward come into our room when the neighbor was smoking.  They were served a letter by guest service.  GS called me later and told me that they spoke to them and that the next time a fine was going to on their bill.  

 

So, after this event was resolved, every time we went out on the balcony, they would rush back inside their cabin because they knew we won't going to tolerate their rule breaking.  Take a stand.  Don't let someone devalue your balcony!

 

I agree. The very first time we had a balcony cabin, there was a smoker right next to us. We told the cabin steward and she spoke with them or GS right away. It happened a second time and we called guest services. It never happened again after that. I can not breathe around smoke and at that time, I had a terrible cold that I picked up on the ship or while flying. I tried to avoid guest areas when possible by spending time in our room and on the balcony to avoid the spread of germs. So I most certainly could not tolerate cigarette smoke on top of all of that. It would have been a massive waste of money for us if our cruise neighbor continued to smoke all week. 

Edited November 26, 2018 by Doggielover68

[sanmarcosman]

37 minutes ago, coevan said:

 

Blerkone, it looks like a mini sterno, I do remember seeing sparklers as well. Sternos are definitely more dangerous

It is not sterno. Sterno is poisonous. It's probably brandy or similar which is typically used to flambe foods. You know, like in the restaurant business! 

Edited November 26, 2018 by sanmarcosman

[Thorncroft]

People give cigarettes way too much credit.  They're not the fire starters that some people seem to think that they are.  Throw a lit cigarette onto a pile of hay and see what happens.  Throw one in a puddle of gasoline and see what happens.  More times than not the cigarette will go out with no fire. 

[BlerkOne]

 

4 hours ago, coevan said:

Blerkone, it looks like a mini sterno, I do remember seeing sparklers as well. Sternos are definitely more dangerous

 

4 hours ago, sanmarcosman said:

It is not sterno. Sterno is poisonous. It's probably brandy or similar which is typically used to flambe foods. You know, like in the restaurant business! 

 

I'll have to ask next time, but my guess would be some flavor of alcohol. 

[mredandchis]

Shaded Lady I like your attitude,  there is a balance.  And there is a big change in the past 20 years but do remember it was passing of laws that caused most of it.  I have wondered though if they could make a non smoking ship and the revenue still pan out.  Was it on Carnival that they use to have a non smoking day/night in the casino?  I am a smoker and I remember it but havent seen it recently.  I do remember that the casino wasnt very busy but again that was a while back..  I am a smoker and I wouldnt be on a non smoking ship, specially if even vapes were not allowed.  But there is only a couple hundred smokers on board any more. it is hard to judge the actual number as they rotate thru the diffferent smoking areas all the time.   But i believe that the radical non smokers would opt for a non smoking ship and fill in the hole created.  I am sure someday it will happen but it will probably come from a federal law. 

 

Edited November 26, 2018 by mredandchis
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[chengkp75]

2 minutes ago, mredandchis said:

I like your attitude,  there is a balance.  And there is a big change in the past 20 years but do remember it was passing of laws that caused most of it.  I have wondered though if they could make a non smoking ship and the revenue still pan out.  Was it on Carnival that they use to have a non smoking day/night in the casino?  I am a smoker and I remember it but havent seen it recently.  I do remember that the casino wasnt very busy but again that was a while back..  I am a smoker and I wouldnt be on a non smoking ship, specially if even vapes were not allowed.  But there is only a couple hundred smokers on board any more. it is hard to judge the actual number as they rotate thru the diffferent smoking areas all the time.   But i believe that the radical non smokers would opt for a non smoking ship and fill in the hole created.  I am sure someday it will happen but it will probably come from a federal law. 

 

However, you are assuming, incorrectly, that a US federal law would have jurisdiction on a foreign flag ship, particularly when that ship was outside US waters.

[mredandchis]

10 hours ago, Shaded Lady said:

Chengkp- I have a ton of respect for your input on these boards, so please don't consider this a slam- but really the argument you made doesn't amount to a hill of beans to me... I don't care if my server in an onshore restaurant smokes like a chimney, as long as I can enjoy my meal without someone puffing away beside me! And if they have a smoking area it doesn't really intrude into the restaurant. So I really don't care if the crew has a designated smoking spot, and I doubt I'd get close enough to my waiter or room steward to smell their clothes.

 

I really think soon enough one of the mass market cruiselines will introduce a smokefree ship again, and as long as they don't get stupid and jack the prices up, I'll cruise on it! And I'm willing to bet a lot of others will too.

Well I would have  to disagree with you there.  There is a subset of people that any hint of smoke offends them.  There are so many different reactions to what they will abide with.

 

[mredandchis]

9 minutes ago, chengkp75 said:

However, you are assuming, incorrectly, that a US federal law would have jurisdiction on a foreign flag ship, particularly when that ship was outside US waters.

 

That is true also, but I wouldnt put it past this society to makes some sort of attempt.  That foreign flagged ship has to sail into territorial waters.  I know in cases of illness running thru a ship the port has the right to refuse the ship.  It is a stretch but it could happen.  A simple ban on all ships that allow smoking.  There is no balance.  

[chengkp75]

40 minutes ago, mredandchis said:

 

That is true also, but I wouldnt put it past this society to makes some sort of attempt.  That foreign flagged ship has to sail into territorial waters.  I know in cases of illness running thru a ship the port has the right to refuse the ship.  It is a stretch but it could happen.  A simple ban on all ships that allow smoking.  There is no balance.  

Actually, in the case you mention where a ship has illness onboard, the country cannot refuse a ship from entering US waters, but it can refuse to allow people from getting off the ship, by placing it in quarantine.  That is how the law works, it is control of entry into the US.  Under international law, when jurisdictional overlap occurs, such as when a foreign flag ship is in a US port, the "port state" laws (US) are not applied to the ship unless the "safety or good order of the port is affected".  This is why most "internal" policies of the ship are governed by the "flag state" and not the "port state".  And the first challenge to that attempted law, which would be held in either an international court, or a US admiralty court, would be "why do cruise ships have to be non-smoking, while cargo ships can enter the US with smoking allowed", or do you want to ban all ships that allow smoking, and watch the US economy implode?

[grandmarnnurse]

11 hours ago, Blue Boobie said:

 

I would have absolutely no problem what so ever reporting someone breaking the rules.  My life and safety heavily trump their desire to feed their addiction and their total disregard for the lives of other passengers.

I totally agree. I am amazed at those that think second hand smoke is just an “annoyance” to non smokers. No, it’s a health hazard. I will not subject myself or my family even for a few minutes of exposure. I will not have my vacation ruined by someone who cannot follow the rules. I definitely would report them in a heart beat. As I mentioned before, as a retired RN who worked both oncology and med/surg floors, and as a nurse manager of a cardiac floor, I saw the devastation caused by smoking. So, anyone who blasts me, and says I’m over reacting, needs to work a few days in an acute medical setting, where most of today’s health issues were caused by the bad habit of smoking. I say that those that protest most vehemently to what I say, are smokers in denial, or just plain ignorant.

And let me add that even the slightest risk of danger of a fire—no matter how small—is good enough reason to change their smoking policy to what they did. In time, they may even make ships smoke free, but I’m sure that’s a long time coming in the future. 

Edited November 26, 2018 by grandmarnnurse

[mredandchis]

2 hours ago, chengkp75 said:

Actually, in the case you mention where a ship has illness onboard, the country cannot refuse a ship from entering US waters, but it can refuse to allow people from getting off the ship, by placing it in quarantine.  That is how the law works, it is control of entry into the US.  Under international law, when jurisdictional overlap occurs, such as when a foreign flag ship is in a US port, the "port state" laws (US) are not applied to the ship unless the "safety or good order of the port is affected".  This is why most "internal" policies of the ship are governed by the "flag state" and not the "port state".  And the first challenge to that attempted law, which would be held in either an international court, or a US admiralty court, would be "why do cruise ships have to be non-smoking, while cargo ships can enter the US with smoking allowed", or do you want to ban all ships that allow smoking, and watch the US economy implode?

i am not arguing with you cause what you say is logical.  Just what i see in our society it seems like logic is tossed out the window.  That is just my opinion.  The way you describe this is the way it should work.  

[terrylw64]

As a ex-smoker of 25+ years, I'm torn over this.    Although I do vape, the liquid I use is odorless.  For the simple fact, other than food, I don't like strong odors. :)    As long as I can't smell it or it doesn't have an impact on my enjoyment of the cruise, I don't care what the other person does in the privacy of their cabin/balcony.   I refuse to be a 'Smoke Nazi'. 

[chengkp75]

1 hour ago, grandmarnnurse said:

I totally agree. I am amazed at those that think second hand smoke is just an “annoyance” to non smokers. No, it’s a health hazard. I will not subject myself or my family even for a few minutes of exposure. I will not have my vacation ruined by someone who cannot follow the rules. I definitely would report them in a heart beat. As I mentioned before, as a retired RN who worked both oncology and med/surg floors, and as a nurse manager of a cardiac floor, I saw the devastation caused by smoking. So, anyone who blasts me, and says I’m over reacting, needs to work a few days in an acute medical setting, where most of today’s health issues were caused by the bad habit of smoking. I say that those that protest most vehemently to what I say, are smokers in denial, or just plain ignorant.

And let me add that even the slightest risk of danger of a fire—no matter how small—is good enough reason to change their smoking policy to what they did. In time, they may even make ships smoke free, but I’m sure that’s a long time coming in the future. 

Well, I quit smoking 43 years ago, and I don't consider myself ignorant.  I don't believe I've "blasted you" or whatever, and I don't underestimate the damage done by smoking to people's health.  I'm just stating the facts of how this won't play out in an international industry.  Folks who wish to have their legal and environmental rights that they expect as US citizens to extend to their cruise, should vote with their pocketbooks and lobby for US flag cruise ships, where US laws could apply.

 

As to the fire risk, so you want all fire risk eliminated?  So, folks on oxygen shouldn't be allowed to cruise, and hair care appliances (which have caused more cruise ship fires than cigarettes) should be banned, not only personal ones, but ship supplied ones as well?  Where does it end?

[LMaxwell]

Inconsiderate smokers are partly to blame for this.  I know, I know, anyone on CC that smokes is a considerate smoker and this doesn't apply to them; but discarded cigarette buttes, ashes falling on balconies, and garbage stench isn't from the non-smokers.   Considerate smokers might want to try working on the inconsiderate smokers before more smoking space is gone.  P.S. - Most of Deck 5 of Carnival Victory smells like a $10 streetwalker; rotten cigs and beer.  The mental gymnastics in this thread is absolutely amazing.  Some people go very far down the rabbit hole to protect their addiction.  

Edited November 27, 2018 by LMaxwell

[terrylw64]

23 minutes ago, LMaxwell said:

Inconsiderate smokers are partly to blame for this.  I know, I know, anyone on CC that smokes is a considerate smoker and this doesn't apply to them; but discarded cigarette buttes, ashes falling on balconies, and garbage stench isn't from the non-smokers.   Considerate smokers might want to try working on the inconsiderate smokers before more smoking space is gone.  P.S. - Most of Deck 5 of Carnival Victory smells like a $10 streetwalker; rotten cigs and beer.  The mental gymnastics in this thread is absolutely amazing.  Some people go very far down the rabbit hole to protect their addiction.  

I agree.  Unfortunately, you have people that won't police up after themselves.  Makes you wonder what their homes look and smell like.    But again, there are folks that just don't care, unless it's their own backyard.    A smokeless ashtray and just good manners would help eliminate all the blustering from the non-smokers. (I'm an ex-smoker.  So I can see it from both sides.)

[grandmarnnurse]

29 minutes ago, BoDidly said:

 

 

As a contractor I can tell you, Color being a deep dark yellow . It's beyond rank. The amount of time and products to rid the home of smoke and smell cost the smoker in health and wallet. Curtains are trashed even dishes and so forth  . Mask have to be worn at all times during prep work. Expensive , you betcha !

 

My late MIL was a very heavy smoker (and died from COPD), and her home was so disgusting, I couldn’t even be in there even if nobody was smoking at the time! The smell, the stain on everything—just disgusting. I am just amazed how smokers shout their “rights” are important in relation to their bad habit, but when someone’s “right” (to smoke) infringes on the health and safety of others, than their “right” doesn’t hold water. Frankly, I’m amazed ANYONE still smokes now days, with all the education out there on the devastating dangers of smoking and exposure to second hand smoke. To ignore those dangers is just stupidity.

So, in support of Carnivals new policy, I feel it’s a big plus for everyone. It addresses both the fire hazards associated with smokers on balconies, plus the wear and tear on any bedding, carpets, walls in cabin (smoke destroys these items, and lingers forever), and most important, the health of its passengers.

Edited November 27, 2018 by grandmarnnurse

[sparks1093]

43 minutes ago, grandmarnnurse said:

My late MIL was a very heavy smoker (and died from COPD), and her home was so disgusting, I couldn’t even be in there even if nobody was smoking at the time! The smell, the stain on everything—just disgusting. I am just amazed how smokers shout their “rights” are important in relation to their bad habit, but when someone’s “right” (to smoke) infringes on the health and safety of others, than their “right” doesn’t hold water. Frankly, I’m amazed ANYONE still smokes now days, with all the education out there on the devastating dangers of smoking and exposure to second hand smoke. To ignore those dangers is just stupidity.

So, in support of Carnivals new policy, I feel it’s a big plus for everyone. It addresses both the fire hazards associated with smokers on balconies, plus the wear and tear on any bedding, carpets, walls in cabin (smoke destroys these items, and lingers forever), and most important, the health of its passengers.

I hear what you are saying and as a former smoker I shake my head that I did it for as long as I did. I was a trained EMT and saw first hand what lay in store for me and ignored it anyway. I did try to quit several times but wasn't able to be successful in that until I had my heart attack at age 47. Unfortunately by that point the damage had been done and I developed lung cancer in 2016. So people do things they know that they shouldn't even in face of the evidence. I think the main reason that the cruise lines made the change was because of the changing habits of society and the demand of non-smokers for the new policies since the slight risk of fire has been known for decades. In any event I don't begrudge the smokers the limited space they have for smoking and do hope that they comply with the rules.

[Keys2Heaven]

Glad to read this. A step in the right direction. Now let's see if anyone is willing to report a violation.

[BlerkOne]

1 hour ago, Keys2Heaven said:

Glad to read this. A step in the right direction. Now let's see if anyone is willing to report a violation.

 

The line starts behind me. 🙂