Rare Eglesbrech Posted January 28, 2020 #126 Share Posted January 28, 2020 3 minutes ago, wowzz said: I don't see that P&O are any better or any worse than most other mainstream cruise lines. You get the same complaints about poor behaviour, dress code, rum runners etc on the Carnival, Princess, NCL and other boards. Just implying that only P&O has disagreeable passengers is just wrong . I neither said that nor implied it. In fact I did not mention any other companies as being any better or any worse. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyMichelle Posted January 28, 2020 #127 Share Posted January 28, 2020 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Harry Peterson said: No mission. The story happened to get a lot of publicity yesterday, and I saw it in the Telegraph, to which I happen to subscribe. There's no way on this earth that any of the regulars on here will ever change their minds, but a bit of occasional balance might present a fairer picture to newcomers. Oh dear Harry.... When we have bad experiences, I'm sure our opinion will change. It just feels like those of us who enjoy P&O need to defend them against your big stick and get criticised for being positive. Andy Edited January 28, 2020 by AndyMichelle 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare Vampiress88 Posted January 28, 2020 #128 Share Posted January 28, 2020 2 minutes ago, Harry Peterson said: No mission. The story happened to get a lot of publicity yesterday, and I saw it in the Telegraph, to which I happen to subscribe. There's no way on this earth that any of the regulars on here will ever change their minds, but a bit of occasional balance might present a fairer picture to newcomers. problem is that the new comers is that most have already booked and are now coming here for advise. I don’t get how p&o are not giving people a fair picture. Everyone gets terrible service at least once with some company in their lives, probably more but that doesn’t mean we have to keep repeating how terrible you think p&o are. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare Eglesbrech Posted January 28, 2020 #129 Share Posted January 28, 2020 45 minutes ago, mcloaked said: The perks of the Peninsular Club are not huge - and you have to have an awful lot of recent days at sea with P&O to get to the top level. The benefits of a huge outlay seem not be be commensurate with how much money you have to spend to get the status. My opinion only of course, and others may disagree! Long term customers have already spent that money and got the status. The perks are not as good as some other lines but the percentage discount off the ships account is useful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terrierjohn Posted January 28, 2020 #130 Share Posted January 28, 2020 7 minutes ago, Harry Peterson said: No mission. The story happened to get a lot of publicity yesterday, and I saw it in the Telegraph, to which I happen to subscribe. There's no way on this earth that any of the regulars on here will ever change their minds, but a bit of occasional balance might present a fairer picture to newcomers. Harry I have criticised P&O many times over one of their major failings which is service standards, and how they dont compare well with how the likes of RCI and Princess resolve problems, and Princess of course is also a Carnival brand. But most of the other aspects of cruising are very similar amongst the major players, and yet you single out P&O to criticise. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare Vampiress88 Posted January 28, 2020 #131 Share Posted January 28, 2020 4 minutes ago, Harry Peterson said: Not at all, Andy. Nobody's asking you to change anything. It's just the downright refusal by some to accept anything negative, regardless of source, that amuses me. P&O is what it is - the trouble is that it's using a past reputation to sell itself, and that's probably the reason for the bad Which? review. no one is refusing to accept that there are negatives about p&o. there are negatives to be found absolutely everywhere and in everyone. I don’t think anyone is saying that p&o are perfect. ive has issues and complaints with p&o myself. But for me it’s the way that companies deal with issues that shows. I am also getting what I paid for. i don’t think it’s a luxury line. I’ve gotten two weeks cruise for the same as I would have with the Disney line that I would be interested in but I’m comparing apples and oranges. same prices but I get 2 weeks p&o canaries compared with 5 nights with Disney. It’s not the same and not comparable. if I paid those prices I would expect a lot more than I do from p&o. you get what you pay for and as us plebs Can’t see the silly survey I don’t even know how they are comparing them. the more you pay the better your expectations Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Peterson Posted January 28, 2020 Author #132 Share Posted January 28, 2020 (edited) 12 minutes ago, Vampiress88 said: Everyone gets terrible service at least once with some company in their lives, probably more but that doesn’t mean we have to keep repeating how terrible you think p&o are. I have never said that. They’re not terrible, but they’re not remotely as good as they, and some customers, claim they are. Edited January 28, 2020 by Harry Peterson 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyMichelle Posted January 28, 2020 #133 Share Posted January 28, 2020 6 minutes ago, Eglesbrech said: Long term customers have already spent that money and got the status. The perks are not as good as some other lines but the percentage discount off the ships account is useful. I never really took much notice of the discount, but a decent percentage off of already competetive drinks prices does make a difference. Andy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare Vampiress88 Posted January 28, 2020 #134 Share Posted January 28, 2020 Just now, Harry Peterson said: I have never said that. I’ve seen quite a few threads that imply that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
majortom10 Posted January 28, 2020 #135 Share Posted January 28, 2020 End of the day there are some people on this and every forum who just like to cause and instigate trouble and arguments. Ignore them and move on because they will always have the last say. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare Eglesbrech Posted January 28, 2020 #136 Share Posted January 28, 2020 2 minutes ago, AndyMichelle said: I never really took much notice of the discount, but a decent percentage off of already competetive drinks prices does make a difference. Andy Yes, it takes the drinks down to local pub prices and if you buy a bigger item in the shop it soon makes an positive impact. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Peterson Posted January 28, 2020 Author #137 Share Posted January 28, 2020 1 minute ago, Vampiress88 said: I’ve seen quite a few threads that imply that. Imply is an interesting word, isn’t it. You’re using your own interpretation of my carefully balanced comments and reaching your own conclusions. That’s hardly my fault. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cahpek Posted January 28, 2020 #138 Share Posted January 28, 2020 4 minutes ago, Harry Peterson said: I have never said that. They’re not terrible, but they’re not remotely as good as they, and some customers, claim they are. Harry, you are totally correct in what you did, and we support you. You have good intentions and it is right that we should have the right to express our views, and not just expected to keep quiet if something is not right. Like most of us, any criticisms are meant to be constructive and it is hoped that the cruise managers will pick them up, and try to improve on them. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wowzz Posted January 28, 2020 #139 Share Posted January 28, 2020 25 minutes ago, Harry Peterson said: No mission. The story happened to get a lot of publicity yesterday, and I saw it in the Telegraph, to which I happen to subscribe. There's no way on this earth that any of the regulars on here will ever change their minds, but a bit of occasional balance might present a fairer picture to newcomers. Of course Holland America got a lot worse publicity, as the second worst cruise line in the survey. I will obviously therefore never consider cruising with them, and stick to better rated lines, such as P&O. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare Eglesbrech Posted January 28, 2020 #140 Share Posted January 28, 2020 (edited) 8 minutes ago, wowzz said: Of course Holland America got a lot worse publicity, as the second worst cruise line in the survey. I will obviously therefore never consider cruising with them, and stick to better rated lines, such as P&O. None of the lines are perfect, even the ones that charge a lot more than P&O do. Some get some things right and others focus on different aspects. At the end of the day we have to take the good with the less good and choose what suits us Edited January 28, 2020 by Eglesbrech Typo 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
majortom10 Posted January 28, 2020 #141 Share Posted January 28, 2020 We are all getting a bit carried away here very little or anything at all is ever perfect and even more so if you go looking for it like some seem to have great pleasure in doing then you can always find fault in anything. If you dont like the product, whatever it is, then dont buy and go elsewhere. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omega1 Posted January 28, 2020 #142 Share Posted January 28, 2020 32 minutes ago, Harry Peterson said: No mission. The story happened to get a lot of publicity yesterday, and I saw it in the Telegraph, to which I happen to subscribe. There's no way on this earth that any of the regulars on here will ever change their minds, but a bit of occasional balance might present a fairer picture to newcomers. Henry, the problem is the Which? Cruise survey is very far from being balanced as I have previously tried to demonstrate, but you seem intent on overlooking its inadequacies to justify your points - it was ‘genuine’ fake news. I am no P&O cheerleader, In 47 cruises I have only sailed with P&O once which was fine, not perfect - but overall met expectations. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyMichelle Posted January 28, 2020 #143 Share Posted January 28, 2020 16 minutes ago, Omega1 said: Henry, the problem is the Which? Cruise survey is very far from being balanced as I have previously tried to demonstrate, but you seem intent on overlooking its inadequacies to justify your points - it was ‘genuine’ fake news. I am no P&O cheerleader, In 47 cruises I have only sailed with P&O once which was fine, not perfect - but overall met expectations. It was posted to provoke these type of responses to which the answer to anybody who doubts it is always that we will defend P&O regardless, which is just not true.. Andy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omega1 Posted January 28, 2020 #144 Share Posted January 28, 2020 1 minute ago, AndyMichelle said: It was posted to provoke these type of responses to which the answer to anybody who doubts it is always that we will defend P&O regardless, which is just not true.. Andy Certainly not in my case! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyMichelle Posted January 28, 2020 #145 Share Posted January 28, 2020 Just now, Omega1 said: Certainly not in my case! Me neither, nor anybody else I doubt. The regular posters on here, in general, are very honest about P&O's good and bad points. Andy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare Vampiress88 Posted January 28, 2020 #146 Share Posted January 28, 2020 (edited) 11 minutes ago, AndyMichelle said: It was posted to provoke these type of responses to which the answer to anybody who doubts it is always that we will defend P&O regardless, which is just not true.. Andy I just give up with these threads sometimes. I like p&o. Until they do something wrong and don’t fix it that’s when I will stop going. Although I might run out of itineraries too. on a happier note I have 67 days and I’m counting Down till I can step on board and not have to clean or cook! Yay 😁 obviously the little things I love about cruising. holidays paid. Car park is paid. Got euros from last year. all I need to do is buy holiday clothes then I can start packing. Edited January 28, 2020 by Vampiress88 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bee-ess Posted January 28, 2020 #147 Share Posted January 28, 2020 44 minutes ago, Harry Peterson said: I have never said that. They’re not terrible, but they’re not remotely as good as they, and some customers, claim they are. I don't claim they are as good as they were, but we are not paying as much as we were in real terms and they still suit us and many like us for various reasons. My point is why do you keep beating the same drum, everyone on here has made decision to stick with P&O for their own reason and don't need you keep repeating the same mantra over and over. If you don't want to cruise with P&O anymore, fair enough but why keep posting detrimental comments on here every chance you get. If I had had the problems with P&O that you have had I would just not cruise with them again. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyMichelle Posted January 28, 2020 #148 Share Posted January 28, 2020 3 minutes ago, Vampiress88 said: I just give up with these threads sometimes. I like p&o. Until they do something wrong and don’t fix it that’s when I will stop going. Although I might run out of itineraries too. on a happier note I have 67 days and I’m counting Down till I can step on board and not have to clean or cook! Yay 😁 obviously the little things I love about cruising. holidays paid. Car park is paid. Got euros from last year. all I need to do is buy holiday clothes then I can start packing. That's what it is all about, enjoying yourself, and if you can manage to do that on P&O despite how terrible they are, good for you. Have a great time, Andy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Peterson Posted January 28, 2020 Author #149 Share Posted January 28, 2020 10 minutes ago, bee-ess said: My point is why do you keep beating the same drum, everyone on here has made decision to stick with P&O for their own reason and don't need you keep repeating the same mantra over and over. If you don't want to cruise with P&O anymore, fair enough but why keep posting detrimental comments on here every chance you get. You maybe haven’t noticed, but most people in this forum, including you, keep beating the same drum. Views don’t change. But it’s important for new potential cruisers to see at least some sense of balance before deciding who to book with, and I’m surprised so many people want to see anything remotely negative suppressed. This is a discussion forum. There are differing views. If you can’t accept that, I’m sorry. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omega1 Posted January 28, 2020 #150 Share Posted January 28, 2020 1 minute ago, Harry Peterson said: You maybe haven’t noticed, but most people in this forum, including you, keep beating the same drum. Views don’t change. But it’s important for new potential cruisers to see at least some sense of balance before deciding who to book with, and I’m surprised so many people want to see anything remotely negative suppressed. This is a discussion forum. There are differing views. If you can’t accept that, I’m sorry. Good luck with your quest, 🎼No matter how hopeless, no matter how far!🎼 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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