kalos Posted January 12, 2021 #13251 Share Posted January 12, 2021 14 minutes ago, Gettingwarmer said: An island yes, but different in so many other ways. True but just remember ... No man is an island. Well apart from the Isle of Man. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aulanis Posted January 12, 2021 #13252 Share Posted January 12, 2021 1 hour ago, Dermotsgirl said: You can look at the likes of New Zealand who locked down hard and fast, and as a result can now live almost normally, with the economy open. 1 hour ago, Eglesbrech said: That’s a cogent example. We are also an island so could have done the same but the powers that be did not. 29 minutes ago, Gettingwarmer said: An island yes, but different in so many other ways. 17 minutes ago, Eglesbrech said: Why? Maybe the fact that the pop of NZ is a mere 5 Million and the uk is ~66 Million could have something to do with the difficulty in controlling the spread. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gettingwarmer Posted January 12, 2021 #13253 Share Posted January 12, 2021 Just now, Aulanis said: Maybe the fact that the pop of NZ is a mere 5 Million and the uk is ~66 Million could have something to do with the difficulty in controlling the spread. Exactly, plus concentration of population is totally different, much more widespread. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare Eglesbrech Posted January 12, 2021 #13254 Share Posted January 12, 2021 5 minutes ago, Aulanis said: Maybe the fact that the pop of NZ is a mere 5 Million and the uk is ~66 Million could have something to do with the difficulty in controlling the spread. So how do you explain away Australia? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare Eglesbrech Posted January 12, 2021 #13255 Share Posted January 12, 2021 5 minutes ago, Gettingwarmer said: Exactly, plus concentration of population is totally different, much more widespread. Australia? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aulanis Posted January 12, 2021 #13256 Share Posted January 12, 2021 5 minutes ago, Eglesbrech said: So how do you explain away Australia? As the 6th largest nation in the world, Australia has a very low population density of just 3 people per square kilometer, or 7 per square mile. This makes it one of the least densely populated countries in the world. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare Eglesbrech Posted January 12, 2021 #13257 Share Posted January 12, 2021 1 minute ago, Aulanis said: As the 6th largest nation in the world, Australia has a very low population density of just 3 people per square kilometer, or 7 per square mile. This makes it one of the least densely populated countries in the world. And the rest of the world (less 3)? https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-53078368 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gettingwarmer Posted January 12, 2021 #13258 Share Posted January 12, 2021 13 minutes ago, Eglesbrech said: Australia? Are you going to keep on quoting every country. Give it a rest. This is why people stop using this forum. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adawn47 Posted January 12, 2021 #13259 Share Posted January 12, 2021 3 hours ago, Son of Anarchy said: Hopefully, they will switch Pointless to BBC2 like yesterday. In which case we shall be switching to BBC2. If they don't switch it, can you we join you guys please? How odd. Pointless on both BBC 1and 2 at the same time😄 Avril 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brian1 Posted January 12, 2021 #13260 Share Posted January 12, 2021 1 hour ago, kalos said: So many Questions we still need answers to ? If it snows heavy, does anyone know how many snowmen you're allowed in your garden under current restrictions? No worries they soon melt away when plod turns up. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adawn47 Posted January 12, 2021 #13261 Share Posted January 12, 2021 1 hour ago, kalos said: So many Questions we still need answers to ? If it snows heavy, does anyone know how many snowmen you're allowed in your garden under current restrictions? As many as can be correctly socially distanced ,depending on garden size, but don't forget the masks. Not allowed coffee either, even iced, as they won't be walking😁 Avril 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gettingwarmer Posted January 12, 2021 #13262 Share Posted January 12, 2021 I made the mistake of jumping on matters I usually don’t. I am very upset and that I have been targeted. My own fault I should have stayed clear. I shall not give my opinion again as I am not up to this. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adawn47 Posted January 12, 2021 #13263 Share Posted January 12, 2021 1 hour ago, Dermotsgirl said: You can look at the likes of New Zealand who locked down hard and fast, and as a result can now live almost normally, with the economy open. You also have to take into account that the population of New Zealand is about 5 million and the Uk is around 68 million. I don't think you can logically compare the two Avril 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grapau27 Posted January 12, 2021 #13264 Share Posted January 12, 2021 43 minutes ago, Eglesbrech said: Australia? Australia only had 25.5 million population. Paulines cousin who she speaks to daily lives in Adelaide Australia and she says they were very proactive with locking their borders and life for them is almost normal. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare Presto2 Posted January 12, 2021 #13265 Share Posted January 12, 2021 If anyone is interested Channel Quest at 9pm looking at the new Sky Princess 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aulanis Posted January 12, 2021 #13266 Share Posted January 12, 2021 Just when cruisewise things were looking a bit more hopeful I see that Celebrity have today cancelled a number of TAs and Europe cruises up to October 2021 some ships are still sailing but its not really clear from the bits of info on the celebrity boards. I am not affected but wonder if Princess will cancel some as well! Mine for instance 😞 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kalos Posted January 12, 2021 #13267 Share Posted January 12, 2021 Why argue ? Gets you nowhere ! My wife and I had this long argument as to whose turn it was to do the laundry. Finally I threw in the towel. 5 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adawn47 Posted January 12, 2021 #13268 Share Posted January 12, 2021 27 minutes ago, Gettingwarmer said: Are you going to keep on quoting every country. Give it a rest. This is why people stop using this forum. Don't stop posting. You were asked a question and gave a really good reply. Then correctly answered another. I nearly fell into that trap earlier. We all have our own ideas, coincidently, mine are the same as yours😉 Avril 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare Eglesbrech Posted January 12, 2021 #13269 Share Posted January 12, 2021 10 minutes ago, Adawn47 said: You also have to take into account that the population of New Zealand is about 5 million and the Uk is around 68 million. I don't think you can logically compare the two Avril But we will never know if it was a fair comparison as we did not stop inward and outward travel, implement strict, properly enforced self isolation etc. There are also many countries with much bigger populations and density that have much lower death rates. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare Eglesbrech Posted January 12, 2021 #13270 Share Posted January 12, 2021 8 minutes ago, Adawn47 said: Don't stop posting. You were asked a question and gave a really good reply. Then correctly answered another. I nearly fell into that trap earlier. We all have our own ideas, coincidently, mine are the same as yours😉 Avril Yes we all have our own points of view and we are all entitled to politely express them 😀 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grapau27 Posted January 12, 2021 #13271 Share Posted January 12, 2021 25 minutes ago, Gettingwarmer said: I made the mistake of jumping on matters I usually don’t. I am very upset and that I have been targeted. My own fault I should have stayed clear. I shall not give my opinion again as I am not up to this. I think most of us want you to stay. Watch Quest channel 12 at 9pm and see Sky Princess and enjoy. See you tomorrow. Graham. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grapau27 Posted January 12, 2021 #13272 Share Posted January 12, 2021 12 minutes ago, Eglesbrech said: But we will never know if it was a fair comparison as we did not stop inward and outward travel, implement strict, properly enforced self isolation etc. There are also many countries with much bigger populations and density that have much lower death rates. It helps Australia and New Zealand that they are in the middle of nowhere. The UK is a main air hub with most of the world. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare Eglesbrech Posted January 12, 2021 #13273 Share Posted January 12, 2021 1 minute ago, grapau27 said: It helps Australia and New Zealand that they are in the middle of nowhere. The UK is a main air hub with most of the world. But it doesn’t have to be. We could have closed down, we did not. Now we have a massively high infection rate and one of the highest rates of death on the planet. That’s real lives of real people. They are more important that an air hub IMO. I’m sure most people in Australia and New Zealand don’t believe that they live in the middle of nowhere Graham. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adawn47 Posted January 12, 2021 #13274 Share Posted January 12, 2021 1 minute ago, Eglesbrech said: But we will never know if it was a fair comparison as we did not stop inward and outward travel, implement strict, properly enforced self isolation etc. There are also many countries with much bigger populations and density that have much lower death rates. I think to a certain extent population is a big factor in this. It stands to reason that the more densely packed areas will allow the virus to spread rapidly. Having said that, the governments of the countries also have a big part to play in this as well, you only have to look across the pond. Many European countries are having a large increase in covid cases and are dealing with in their own particular ways. Who's to say which is the right way? The biggest problem we have imo, is the the public themselves, and you can't expect much improvement until they adhere to the governments rules, whether we think they're strict enough or not. Avril 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare Eglesbrech Posted January 12, 2021 #13275 Share Posted January 12, 2021 1 minute ago, Adawn47 said: I think to a certain extent population is a big factor in this. It stands to reason that the more densely packed areas will allow the virus to spread rapidly. Having said that, the governments of the countries also have a big part to play in this as well, you only have to look across the pond. Many European countries are having a large increase in covid cases and are dealing with in their own particular ways. Who's to say which is the right way? The biggest problem we have imo, is the the public themselves, and you can't expect much improvement until they adhere to the governments rules, whether we think they're strict enough or not. Avril You are right about the way it has been handled across the globe. Six months ago some were saying how wonderful Sweden was as they had no lockdown and tried for herd immunity. Look at their results now. Elements of the public are also idiots who don’t follow rules. Many poor souls get covid at work or through no fault of their own but some certainly only have themselves to blame based on their behaviour. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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