It's June 1st, 2 months until Carnival sail again on Aug 1st...

[lobster1313]

8 minutes ago, skridge said:

I don't know.  Maybe the 5 to 10k people eating together.  Going to shows.  Dancing in clubs.  Sitting in bars.  You can clean until you are blue in the face it only takes one person to infect another and another.  Then you have March all over again.  I am pretty sure the cruise lines are going to be smart enough not to open back up in the peak of the pandemic.  I could be wrong and I hope I am  because I really want to cruise again one day.  I think the higher ups at all of the major lines will look at the data and hold off a little while longer.  If they go through the expense of ramping back up and March happens again.  What then? 

Take out the ships that were blocked from docking and the number of cases is extremely low.

[BlerkOne]

There will be waves and shutdowns on land and sea. The virus is on the rise again and can't be blamed on cruising.

 

Technology will get us cruising again and is far easier to implement in a confined environment. You will see,

[skridge]

1 minute ago, regoodwinjr said:

Take out the ships that were blocked from docking and the number of cases is extremely low.

Right, the whole point is once you have confirmed case on a ship again, who is going to let them port.  If I were a state or country my thought would be I understand what happened in March because it was out of left field.  Now it is on you.

[skridge]

4 minutes ago, BlerkOne said:

There will be waves and shutdowns on land and sea. The virus is on the rise again and can't be blamed on cruising.

 

Technology will get us cruising again and is far easier to implement in a confined environment. You will see,

What technology?  I think they would implement the new "technology" on land first.  We shall see.  I hope you are right because I want to cruise again.

[lobster1313]

8 minutes ago, skridge said:

Right, the whole point is once you have confirmed case on a ship again, who is going to let them port.  If I were a state or country my thought would be I understand what happened in March because it was out of left field.  Now it is on you.

Not all ships were blocked so most of the ships only had a few cases and at that point there were no protocols on how to handle an infected person on board.  The difference whenever cruises start, is that they will have procedures, including better isolation for the sick and then probably quick evacuations.  Things have change since March for all aspects so cruiselines will be better prepared.

[skridge]

3 minutes ago, regoodwinjr said:

Not all ships were blocked so most of the ships only had a few cases and at that point there were no protocols on how to handle an infected person on board.  The difference whenever cruises start, is that they will have procedures, including better isolation for the sick and then probably quick evacuations.  Things have change since March for all aspects so cruiselines will be better prepared.

We will see what the multi billion dollar corporations decide to do.  I believe it is going to be difficult to protocol, procedure, and disinfect your way around the virus.  It is going to be interesting to see the outcome.  I hope the cruise lines get it right, because I want to watch a sunrise on a cruise ship again.

[BlerkOne]

21 minutes ago, skridge said:

What technology?  I think they would implement the new "technology" on land first.  We shall see.  I hope you are right because I want to cruise again.

 

For example, NCL will have H13 Hepa air filters.

also Fogging in staterooms and public areas with the disinfectant hypochlorous acid (HOCI). Hypochlorous acid is a non-toxic, powerful oxidant that effectively kills bacteria, spores, and viruses. It is natural and safe to use in open areas since it is comprised of natural elements such as water and salt, and electric charge.

 

another possibility (which is perhaps what NCL is adopting}:

https://vikand.com/covid-19/

 

 

 

 

 

Edited June 6, 2020 by BlerkOne

[chipmaster]

5 minutes ago, BlerkOne said:

 

For example, NCL will have H13 Hepa air filters.

also Fogging in staterooms and public areas with the disinfectant hypochlorous acid (HOCI). Hypochlorous acid is a non-toxic, powerful oxidant that effectively kills bacteria, spores, and viruses. It is natural and safe to use in open areas since it is comprised of natural elements such as water and salt, and electric charge.

 

another possibility (which is perhaps what NCL is adopting}:

https://vikand.com/covid-19/

 

 

 

 

 

 

You can do all the fogging you want, but good luck preventing Pandemic with a few thousand people from all over the world just coming thru airports / planes and interacting with tens of thousands more, then being in close proximity in the elevator, theater, buffet line, bar, pool.  Transmission of respiratory illness is by person-person, disenfect all you want it's still the person next to you breathing on you and you inhale their breath that will get you sick, it ain't nora virus.

[BlerkOne]

Just now, chipmaster said:

 

You can do all the fogging you want, but good luck preventing Pandemic with a few thousand people from all over the world just coming thru airports / planes and interacting with tens of thousands more, then being in close proximity in the elevator, theater, buffet line, bar, pool.  Transmission of respiratory illness is by person-person, disenfect all you want it's still the person next to you breathing on you and you inhale their breath that will get you sick, it ain't nora virus.

 

Don't forget temperature and other checks, social distancing, etc. Covid detecting dogs (still in trials). You know, all the things most people ignore on land. It isn't a one trick pony.

[skridge]

8 minutes ago, BlerkOne said:

 

For example, NCL will have H13 Hepa air filters.

also Fogging in staterooms and public areas with the disinfectant hypochlorous acid (HOCI). Hypochlorous acid is a non-toxic, powerful oxidant that effectively kills bacteria, spores, and viruses. It is natural and safe to use in open areas since it is comprised of natural elements such as water and salt, and electric charge.

 

another possibility (which is perhaps what NCL is adopting}:

https://vikand.com/covid-19/

 

 

 

 

 

I personally don't think the major lines are willing to bet billions of dollars on hepa filters and (HOCI). Hypochlorous acid.  We will see.   

[jimbo5544]

12 hours ago, BlerkOne said:

 

The crew news seemed stale, IMO.

 

NCL is also scheduled to start cruising Aug 1. With the virus numbers shooting up again on land, a cruise ship is likely the safest place to be.

From many aspects actually.

[jimbo5544]

10 hours ago, chipmaster said:

 

You can do all the fogging you want, but good luck preventing Pandemic with a few thousand people from all over the world just coming thru airports / planes and interacting with tens of thousands more, then being in close proximity in the elevator, theater, buffet line, bar, pool.  Transmission of respiratory illness is by person-person, disenfect all you want it's still the person next to you breathing on you and you inhale their breath that will get you sick, it ain't nora virus.

Have you seen spikes from air travel lately?  Numbers are treading down....dramatically.  

[ninjacat123]

11 hours ago, BlerkOne said:

 

For example, NCL will have H13 Hepa air filters.

also Fogging in staterooms and public areas with the disinfectant hypochlorous acid (HOCI). Hypochlorous acid is a non-toxic, powerful oxidant that effectively kills bacteria, spores, and viruses. It is natural and safe to use in open areas since it is comprised of natural elements such as water and salt, and electric charge.

 

another possibility (which is perhaps what NCL is adopting}:

https://vikand.com/covid-19/

 

 

 

 

 

Wow!! Thanks for posting that link! I could see Hygensea being a great benefit not only on ships but in buildings. 

[MsTabbyKats]

13 hours ago, skridge said:

I don't know.  Maybe the 5 to 10k people eating together.  Going to shows.  Dancing in clubs.  Sitting in bars.  You can clean until you are blue in the face it only takes one person to infect another and another.  Then you have March all over again.  I am pretty sure the cruise lines are going to be smart enough not to open back up in the peak of the pandemic.  I could be wrong and I hope I am  because I really want to cruise again one day.  I think the higher ups at all of the major lines will look at the data and hold off a little while longer.  If they go through the expense of ramping back up and March happens again.  What then? 

I gave up saying the same thing over and over and over.

As long as people think having a "clean bathroom" will make a venue "corona-safe".....let the misinformation spread.  It makes for good reading.

Note: I booked an MSC cruise out of NYC for 9/2021 on Tuesday.  It was canceled on Thursday.  I have no idea "why" but I hope it doesn't mean all lines will want to avoid NYC.

 

[Organized Chaos]

12 hours ago, BlerkOne said:

For example, NCL will have H13 Hepa air filters.

 

I don't think HEPA filter will have much of an affect, depending on their location. Are they in vents in the ceiling or are they in closer proximity to people? We know that the virus is mostly transmitted through respiratory exhalations and that those droplets are relatively heavy. They don't travel very far, which is why we get the 6 ft. guidelines. There was a restaurant in China that saw 10 cases develop. Two families sitting at two neighboring tables, but there was only one "patient zero." After doing thorough tests, they (to include the CDC) concluded that it was probable that the airflow coming directly out of an A/C unit helped push the respiratory droplets from the infected person a little bit farther than they normally would have and over to the next table. It wasn't certain, but that was their best conclusion. They also performed surface tests in the inlet vents, one of which was directly above one of those tables, as well as the rest of the restaurant, but all the additional tests came up negative. So even with the airflow being drawn into the inlet vent, the virus-ridden droplets could not travel up to the ceiling. So if all the additional HEPA filters being put on ships are located in ceiling vents, they won't do much good against the virus and are more so just a feel-good measure.

[Organized Chaos]

14 hours ago, regoodwinjr said:

Take out the ships that were blocked from docking and the number of cases is extremely low.

 

The Magic was blocked from disembarking in Grand Turk in early March. I think they had docked, but GT wouldn't let them disembark. There were no cases of COVID-19. I can't remember exactly, but there might have been a non-COVID illness onboard, but GT had just strengthened their guidelines for cruise ships, so they denied the Magic. We boarded the Horizon on March 7th and our first stop was scheduled to be GT, but they told us at muster that they weren't even going to attempt it in fear that we'd just be denied. No COVID onboard our cruise either. So in the end, virus on the ship or not, the governments of the ports of call will be the ultimate deciding factor.

[pc_load_letter]

On 6/4/2020 at 6:21 PM, BlerkOne said:

NCL has posted much of their plan:
https://www.ncl.com/why-cruise-norwegian/book-with-confidence

 

 

That all sounds very reasonable to me.

[BlerkOne]

1 hour ago, Organized Chaos said:

 

I don't think HEPA filter will have much of an affect, depending on their location. Are they in vents in the ceiling or are they in closer proximity to people? We know that the virus is mostly transmitted through respiratory exhalations and that those droplets are relatively heavy. They don't travel very far, which is why we get the 6 ft. guidelines. There was a restaurant in China that saw 10 cases develop. Two families sitting at two neighboring tables, but there was only one "patient zero." After doing thorough tests, they (to include the CDC) concluded that it was probable that the airflow coming directly out of an A/C unit helped push the respiratory droplets from the infected person a little bit farther than they normally would have and over to the next table. It wasn't certain, but that was their best conclusion. They also performed surface tests in the inlet vents, one of which was directly above one of those tables, as well as the rest of the restaurant, but all the additional tests came up negative. So even with the airflow being drawn into the inlet vent, the virus-ridden droplets could not travel up to the ceiling. So if all the additional HEPA filters being put on ships are located in ceiling vents, they won't do much good against the virus and are more so just a feel-good measure.

 

These are the same filters they use in hospitals, I believe. There must be a reason.

 

[Organized Chaos]

24 minutes ago, BlerkOne said:

These are the same filters they use in hospitals, I believe. There must be a reason.

 

I get it. I'm not arguing their effectiveness. They've been used in hospitals and in home applications long before COVID-19 because of what they're capable of. No doubting that. But they were also being used to catch different airborne particles & pathogens before now. The method in which COVID-19 is transmitted limits the filter's effectiveness, unless they're placed within common range of respiratory droplets. I'm just wondering how many of them actually would be. In land-based casinos, for example, most of the filters are in the ceiling vents. I'm guessing it's the same on a ship (?). Never really paid attention.

[BlerkOne]

24 minutes ago, Organized Chaos said:

 

I get it. I'm not arguing their effectiveness. They've been used in hospitals and in home applications long before COVID-19 because of what they're capable of. No doubting that. But they were also being used to catch different airborne particles & pathogens before now. The method in which COVID-19 is transmitted limits the filter's effectiveness, unless they're placed within common range of respiratory droplets. I'm just wondering how many of them actually would be. In land-based casinos, for example, most of the filters are in the ceiling vents. I'm guessing it's the same on a ship (?). Never really paid attention.

 

They are just part of the equation. If this is the solution NCL chose, the mysterious Hydroxyls are emitted continuously neutralizing viruses and other contaminants. 

[jimbo5544]

31 minutes ago, PhillyFan33579 said:

You, me and Organized Chaos all agreeing on the same point. That doesn’t happen every day. 😊

Lol, I was afraid to bring it up

[jimbo5544]

32 minutes ago, PhillyFan33579 said:

You, me and Organized Chaos all agreeing on the same point. That doesn’t happen every day. 😊

Next thing you know, we will all be sailing together.  😉

[firefly333]

1 hour ago, PhillyFan33579 said:

You, me and Organized Chaos all agreeing on the same point. That doesn’t happen every day. 😊

Add me to the club. Not many things this much agreement.

[BlerkOne]

While you were sleeping....

 

Cruising has restarted...

 

https://thepointsguy.com/guide/first-cruise-ship-resumes-sailing/

 

[Tjcalley]

Wow! Thanks for sharing! 

6 hours ago, BlerkOne said:

While you were sleeping....

 

Cruising has restarted...

 

https://thepointsguy.com/guide/first-cruise-ship-resumes-sailing/