sandebeach Posted September 27, 2020 #51 Share Posted September 27, 2020 2 minutes ago, molly361 said: So that guarantees anyone who thinks that they"may" sail November 1 is not going to I agree. I think they are trying to get ready to restart for Christmas and New Year’s sailings, which have some of the highest rates for cruises. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare livingonthebeach Posted September 27, 2020 #52 Share Posted September 27, 2020 (edited) 15 minutes ago, molly361 said: So that guarantees anyone who thinks that they"may" sail November 1 is not going to Correct, he didn’t mention which port but Bayley’s exact words were: "I said that the first cruise that we will operate through, Royal Caribbean International, will be an all employee cruise, a little bit like a shakedown cruise, because then we can test and take a look at in real-life operations all of the protocols that we're putting into place. And so our first cruise is going to be an employee cruise." Quantum sailing out of Singapore on November 1st, has a better chance of being the first ship to sail. Harmony out of Port Canaveral on the Nov 1st is the first scheduled sailing out of Florida and has a good chance of being the employee sailing. Edited September 27, 2020 by livingonthebeach 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAMESCC Posted September 27, 2020 #53 Share Posted September 27, 2020 Correct, he didn’t mention which port but Bayley’s exact words were: "I said that the first cruise that we will operate through, Royal Caribbean International, will be an all employee cruise, a little bit like a shakedown cruise, because then we can test and take a look at in real-life operations all of the protocols that we're putting into place. And so our first cruise is going to be an employee cruise." That's interesting and this kinda what annoys me about what is going on right now. Why not let these lines for the last month or 2 sail with let's say, 50% capacity and work out all these health protocols. See what works, see what needs to tweaking, see what needs to be added, see what needs to taken out, see what needs to be changed. Get all this data on what freaking works. I am not a denier of what is going on, this is a serious, very serious situation but I also believe there is a way to cruise as safely as possible and to keep everyone involved safe. The only way to figure those things out is to freaking cruise. Each day that goes by without that data, without that knowledge pushed us back further and further. Sent from my Pixel 4 XL using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare livingonthebeach Posted September 27, 2020 #54 Share Posted September 27, 2020 3 minutes ago, JAMESCC said: That's interesting and this kinda what annoys me about what is going on right now. Why not let these lines for the last month or 2 sail with let's say, 50% capacity and work out all these health protocols. See what works, see what needs to tweaking, see what needs to be added, see what needs to taken out, see what needs to be changed. Get all this data on what freaking works. I am not a denier of what is going on, this is a serious, very serious situation but I also believe there is a way to cruise as safely as possible and to keep everyone involved safe. The only way to figure those things out is to freaking cruise. Each day that goes by without that data, without that knowledge pushed us back further and further. Sent from my Pixel 4 XL using Tapatalk I guess they are taking their cues from Europe and Asia. European and Asian cruises started back in July and while some were successful, some were not, and lessons were learned from the mishaps. TUI, partly owned by RCI, have had cruises to nowhere that have been successful so far. Costa (Carnival), MSC, Ponant, Hapag-Lloyd, and Dream have restarted as well with minor hiccups. If it can be done in other parts of the world, it follows that it could be done here as well. As you stated, it can be done safely if allowed to operate. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare John&LaLa Posted September 27, 2020 #55 Share Posted September 27, 2020 28 minutes ago, livingonthebeach said: Especially disconcerting for the Miami Beach Mayor, which is the most problematic area. Port Everglades, Port Canaveral and Port of Tampa have a better chance at restarting, IMO. Tampa might be out because they use small ships Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vera/Lee Posted September 27, 2020 #56 Share Posted September 27, 2020 17 minutes ago, molly361 said: So that guarantees anyone who thinks that they"may" sail November 1 is not going to Hahah....that would be me! Yes, I heard those remarks and know that it's very possible. I refuse to give up until the announcement is made and then I will readjust. I was on the next to the last sailing and would love to be on the first out. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare John&LaLa Posted September 27, 2020 #57 Share Posted September 27, 2020 24 minutes ago, livingonthebeach said: Correct, he didn’t mention which port but Bayley’s exact words were: "I said that the first cruise that we will operate through, Royal Caribbean International, will be an all employee cruise, a little bit like a shakedown cruise, because then we can test and take a look at in real-life operations all of the protocols that we're putting into place. And so our first cruise is going to be an employee cruise." Quantum sailing out of Singapore on November 1st, has a better chance of being the first ship to sail. Harmony out of Port Canaveral on the Nov 1st is the first scheduled sailing out of Florida and has a good chance of being the employee sailing. I really don't see them bussing 1000+ employees north 3-4 hours 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare livingonthebeach Posted September 27, 2020 #58 Share Posted September 27, 2020 3 minutes ago, John&LaLa said: Tampa might be out because they use small ships The first sailing scheduled out of Tampa, I believe is Brilliance on Nov 14th and you're right, not only small but old and maybe not suitable for the new protocols. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandebeach Posted September 27, 2020 #59 Share Posted September 27, 2020 1 minute ago, John&LaLa said: I really don't see them bussing 1000+ employees north 3-4 hours Good point. I also watched parts of a live video last week from the Port Canaveral meeting, and the Port Director was saying he did not expect cruises to leave out of Port Canaveral until 2021. This was in regards to revenue losses/cuts for the Port's budget. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
molly361 Posted September 27, 2020 #60 Share Posted September 27, 2020 My vote is also for the holiday sailings be with a few shakedown ones on the Mariner and navigator beforehand 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
molly361 Posted September 27, 2020 #61 Share Posted September 27, 2020 1 minute ago, sandebeach said: Good point. I also watched parts of a live video last week from the Port Canaveral meeting, and the Port Director was saying he did not expect cruises to leave out of Port Canaveral until 2021. This was in regards to revenue losses/cuts for the Port's budget. That's what they keep reporting on the news here in Central Florida. No cruises out of PC until 2021 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare livingonthebeach Posted September 27, 2020 #62 Share Posted September 27, 2020 3 minutes ago, John&LaLa said: I really don't see them bussing 1000+ employees north 3-4 hours There's Navigator out of PortMiami scheduled for November 2, 2020 -- nothing before, leaving from Miami. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
molly361 Posted September 27, 2020 #63 Share Posted September 27, 2020 1 minute ago, livingonthebeach said: There's Navigator out of PortMiami scheduled for November 2, 2020 -- nothing before, leaving from Miami. Maybe that will turn into the employee shakedown trip 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milwaukee Eight Posted September 27, 2020 #64 Share Posted September 27, 2020 56 minutes ago, Vera/Lee said: Six days ago, the President of the CLIA said " Based on what we are seeing in Europe, and following months of collaboration with leading public health experts, scientists, and governments, we are confident that these measures will provide a pathway for the return of limited sailings from the U.S. before the end of this year.” I’m SURE the CLIA is putting a lot of pressure anyone they can to begin cruising ASAP. It’s in their best interest to do so. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare livingonthebeach Posted September 27, 2020 #65 Share Posted September 27, 2020 3 minutes ago, molly361 said: Maybe that will turn into the employee shakedown trip LOL -- yes, she's a good candidate for the shakedown cruise. The first scheduled out of P.E. is Vision but that's an 11 night cruise which will probably be nixed. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare John&LaLa Posted September 27, 2020 #66 Share Posted September 27, 2020 FWIW, a shakedown cruise doesn't have to be something currently scheduled. It could just as easily be an unscheduled 3 day trip on one of the Oasis ships. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milwaukee Eight Posted September 27, 2020 #67 Share Posted September 27, 2020 13 minutes ago, molly361 said: That's what they keep reporting on the news here in Central Florida. No cruises out of PC until 2021 I heard the same thing last night. No Cruises out of PC until 2021. Source WFTV Orlando 9 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
molly361 Posted September 27, 2020 #68 Share Posted September 27, 2020 1 minute ago, John&LaLa said: FWIW, a shakedown cruise doesn't have to be something currently scheduled. It could just as easily be an unscheduled 3 day trip on one of the Oasis ships. I know It was kind of a joke. I really don't see anything happening by the beginning of November😇 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare livingonthebeach Posted September 27, 2020 #69 Share Posted September 27, 2020 (edited) 10 minutes ago, John&LaLa said: FWIW, a shakedown cruise doesn't have to be something currently scheduled. It could just as easily be an unscheduled 3 day trip on one of the Oasis ships. True, they can add and delete as time progresses. IMO, there will be more deletions than additions. My money is on Symphony for the shakedown. Edited September 27, 2020 by livingonthebeach Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare livingonthebeach Posted September 27, 2020 #70 Share Posted September 27, 2020 Statement from Miami-Dade mayor published yesterday urging CDC not to extend no-sail order -- guess Miami is still in the running then for being the first port to have sailings. Will the NOS expire? Will the extension be until Oct 31st? Another date? Never? Will we hear on Monday? Tuesday? Wednesday? Is there a betting App we can go on? https://www.miamidade.gov/releases/2020-09-26-mayor-statement-nosail.asp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandebeach Posted September 27, 2020 #71 Share Posted September 27, 2020 28 minutes ago, livingonthebeach said: Statement from Miami-Dade mayor published yesterday urging CDC not to extend no-sail order -- guess Miami is still in the running then for being the first port to have sailings. Will the NOS expire? Will the extension be until Oct 31st? Another date? Never? Will we hear on Monday? Tuesday? Wednesday? Is there a betting App we can go on? https://www.miamidade.gov/releases/2020-09-26-mayor-statement-nosail.asp Yes I read the press release yesterday. I am kind of hoping that things start moving along. Current Mayor Gimenez is term-limited and running for a new State office. I do not know if the newly-elected Mayor in November will be as supportive of the cruise industry as he has been. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milwaukee Eight Posted September 27, 2020 #72 Share Posted September 27, 2020 5 minutes ago, sandebeach said: Yes I read the press release yesterday. I am kind of hoping that things start moving along. Current Mayor Gimenez is term-limited and running for a new State office. I do not know if the newly-elected Mayor in November will be as supportive of the cruise industry as he has been. How many Mayor’s do you have down that way. I know you have a County Mayor of Miami-Dade. Miami, Miami Beach. A mayor of the Port of Miami?? I suppose many of the cities within Miami-Dade ? M8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandebeach Posted September 27, 2020 #73 Share Posted September 27, 2020 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Milwaukee Eight said: How many Mayor’s do you have down that way. I know you have a County Mayor of Miami-Dade. Miami, Miami Beach. A mayor of the Port of Miami?? I suppose many of the cities within Miami-Dade ? M8 Miami-Dade is different than Broward and has a “Strong Mayor” organization. So each Miami municipality elects a Mayor but Miami residents also elect a Miami-Dade Mayor, who is above the municipality mayors. The Miami-Dade Mayor is over the airport and also PortMiami. Edited September 27, 2020 by sandebeach 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare livingonthebeach Posted September 27, 2020 #74 Share Posted September 27, 2020 11 minutes ago, Milwaukee Eight said: How many Mayor’s do you have down that way. I know you have a County Mayor of Miami-Dade. Miami, Miami Beach. A mayor of the Port of Miami?? I suppose many of the cities within Miami-Dade ? M8 Each city / municipality in Miami-Dade County has its own mayor along with the mayor of the entire County of Miami-Dade. I live in Sunny Isles Beach within the County of Miami-Dade and we have our own mayor as well as the Miami-Dade mayor. IIRC, there are 34 municipalities within Miami-Dade. The mayors with the most clout are the City of Miami, Miami Beach, Hialeah and Miami Gardens which are the most populated. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare livingonthebeach Posted September 27, 2020 #75 Share Posted September 27, 2020 27 minutes ago, sandebeach said: Yes I read the press release yesterday. I am kind of hoping that things start moving along. Current Mayor Gimenez is term-limited and running for a new State office. I do not know if the newly-elected Mayor in November will be as supportive of the cruise industry as he has been. A lot of the candidates were eliminated in the primary -- now it's down to two. Hopefully the next one will follow Gimenez's support. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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