New proposed Flordia law regarding Vaccination checks.

[BlerkOne]

2 hours ago, florida eagle said:

I know what fascists are. You are one of them. Packaged as a Progressive Socialist who cares for all. But you come first in that order with your Alinsky tactics. 

Obviously you don't know. Look in a mirror. A minority who thinks they can dictate to the majority. Not going to happen.

[BlerkOne]

20 minutes ago, TNcruising02 said:

Yes, people have died of covid.  However, they have been mostly in an older high risk group.  If a person isn't in that group, there are plenty of ways to survive covid here in the US.  There are even good treatments for people who get severely sick.  Covid isn't a death sentence for the average person who is not high risk.  The media made people hysterical when all that had to be done was for the high risk people to isolate.

"About 8 in 10 deaths have been among people 65 and older, according to the latest demographic data available from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC)."
 

Nearly half of the Covid deaths in India are under 60, and that was of last year. Now India has a variant that is coming to a country near you!

https://science.thewire.in/health/india-covid-19-mortality-comorbidities-age-health-ministry/

 

[hurricane0226]

On 4/22/2021 at 2:25 PM, pc_load_letter said:

 

Chance of that happening....0.0

0.00000

[Tippyton]

1 hour ago, BlerkOne said:

Nearly half of the Covid deaths in India are under 60, and that was of last year. Now India has a variant that is coming to a country near you!

https://science.thewire.in/health/india-covid-19-mortality-comorbidities-age-health-ministry/

 

https://youtu.be/fOADZO58pC0

 

[florida eagle]

1 hour ago, BlerkOne said:

Obviously you don't know. Look in a mirror. A minority who thinks they can dictate to the majority. Not going to happen.

I do not dictate to others. I look at analytics of where we are heading as a nation. Everyone has got their thing. You are right at this point. Our nation will divest of the Constitution to achieve being blended into a world globalist system. We are part of the way there now. The U.S., Canada and Mexico will be the North American Union. Part of a loose confederation of larger vassal regions submissive to global elites.

[Tippyton]

1 hour ago, BlerkOne said:

Look in a mirror.

I get my daily affirmation....daily 🙂

https://youtu.be/ZVA-Bx4rNc0

 

[Stallion]

3 hours ago, TNcruising02 said:

Yes, people have died of covid.  However, they have been mostly in an older high risk group.  If a person isn't in that group, there are plenty of ways to survive covid here in the US.  There are even good treatments for people who get severely sick.  Covid isn't a death sentence for the average person who is not high risk.  The media made people hysterical when all that had to be done was for the high risk people to isolate.

"About 8 in 10 deaths have been among people 65 and older, according to the latest demographic data available from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC)."
 

Only about 60,000 kids came down with polio in 1952-and only about 3,000 kids died in 1952-where does that rank on your "give a damn scale" of most people survived?

 

https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2012/10/16/162670836/wiping-out-polio-how-the-u-s-snuffed-out-a-killer

[BlerkOne]

2 hours ago, hurricane0226 said:

0.00000

Where is the 0 obsessed individual? He is one of you people.

[hurricane0226]

So glad to live in Florida...

[Joebucks]

56 minutes ago, Stallion said:

Only about 60,000 kids came down with polio in 1952-and only about 3,000 kids died in 1952-where does that rank on your "give a damn scale" of most people survived?

 

https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2012/10/16/162670836/wiping-out-polio-how-the-u-s-snuffed-out-a-killer

 

Compare COVID to the flu = HOW COULD YOU?

 

Compare COVID to polio = science

[crewsweeper]

On 4/23/2021 at 10:10 AM, Honolulu Blue said:

 

Found it!  Here's an article explaining what's up:  https://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/politics/fl-ne-nsf-covid-vaccine-passport-ban-20210419-d6npktv5hbd4tiykdly53qi6zm-story.html

 

And the legislation itself:  https://www.flsenate.gov/Session/Bill/2021/7047 .  See pages 33 and 34.

Back to the original topic at hand.  The Bill was tabled.  only 25% progression out of committee. 2 days left in session.

[Jobeth66]

1 hour ago, Buckeyefrank100 said:

I really doubt that the risk of death from the virus for those under 30 is greater than the risk of spontaneous pregnancy abortion from the vaccine.... A vast majority of the deaths have been 75 and older.  The virus poses very little risk to the young and healthy.

 

 

I think the point was that there is a greater risk of miscarriage and stillbirth from having contracted COVID than from the vaccine.

[topaz123]

16 hours ago, TNcruising02 said:

Yes, people have died of covid.  However, they have been mostly in an older high risk group.  If a person isn't in that group, there are plenty of ways to survive covid here in the US.  There are even good treatments for people who get severely sick.  Covid isn't a death sentence for the average person who is not high risk.  The media made people hysterical when all that had to be done was for the high risk people to isolate.

"About 8 in 10 deaths have been among people 65 and older, according to the latest demographic data available from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC)."
 

8  in 10 deaths 65 and older, enuff said. Oh, wait,....we've discovered another variant....the India Variant...round and round we go. Keep the pot stirring....

[Stallion]

There is a very real threat to children often overlooked-approximately 43,000 children have lost a parent to Covid

[cruisingguy007]

On 4/28/2021 at 8:15 AM, Stallion said:

There is a very real threat to children often overlooked-approximately 43,000 children have lost a parent to Covid

 

Yet, parents weren't prioritized as a group when the vaccine administration plans were established. They also act as teachers, provide medical care, and act as emotional support. I always found that odd. Guess they figured grandma and grandpa could take care of them.     

[asalligo]

On 4/27/2021 at 5:59 PM, ontheweb said:

If they only knew that in India, I'm sure they would take great comfort.

 

Bodies pile up as Covid overwhelms India (msn.com)

205,000 deaths out of 18,552,365 cases is still barely over a 1 percent death rate. 

[harkinmr]

4 minutes ago, cruisingguy007 said:

 

Yet, parents weren't prioritized as a group when the vaccine administration plans were established. They also act as teachers, provide medical care, and act as emotional support. I always found that odd. Guess they figured grandma and grandpa could take care of them.     

The elderly, including those in nursing homes and assisted living facilities, were prioritized because they were the population that had suffered and died the most with COVID.  Perfectly acceptable as far as I'm concerned.  The CDC priority plan included essential workers (like teachers and caretakers) and those with co-morbidities next, which would have covered a lot of those parents.  Unfortunately, many states ignored the priority guidance from the CDC and went their own way.  More importantly, the bulk of those parents dying occurred well before vaccines were even in play. 

[cruisingguy007]

2 minutes ago, harkinmr said:

The elderly, including those in nursing homes and assisted living facilities, were prioritized because they were the population that had suffered and died the most with COVID.  Perfectly acceptable as far as I'm concerned.  The CDC priority plan included essential workers (like teachers and caretakers) and those with co-morbidities next, which would have covered a lot of those parents.  Unfortunately, many states ignored the priority guidance from the CDC and went their own way.  More importantly, the bulk of those parents dying occurred well before vaccines were even in play. 

 

Call me crazy but parents, especially with small kids, are essential workers IMO. Many don't value parenting as such but if they were to succumb to covid then the state would have to step in. They are also teachers and caretakers by default. I do understand your angle and don't disagree with it in principle, only application. 

[WhaleTailFlCruiser]

On 4/22/2021 at 1:16 PM, jedi bobs said:

Becuse of the new proposed law banniing any busness including cruise lines from requiring proof of vacinaton or reciving a $5000 fine per person per violation, will mean all cruise lines will pull out of Flordia even if CDC allows crusing.  The reason is this, the Bahamas require all cruise passangers be vacanated, and without proof they will not be able to enter the bahamas so there goes the bahamas as a destanation, if other contries follow suit the cruise lines will not be able to go anywhere.

The law does no such thing, It bans Vaccination passports. 

[jfunk138]

3 hours ago, asalligo said:

205,000 deaths out of 18,552,365 cases is still barely over a 1 percent death rate. 

Some useful perspective on the India situation:

 

https://ourworldindata.org/explorers/coronavirus-data-explorer?zoomToSelection=true&pickerSort=desc&pickerMetric=total_vaccinations_per_hundred&Metric=Confirmed+deaths&Interval=7-day+rolling+average&Relative+to+Population=true&Align+outbreaks=false&country=GIB~FLK~ITA~IND

[CI66774]

On 4/22/2021 at 2:42 PM, volfan22701 said:

state governments will not be allowed to tell private business whether they can or can't require vaccinations. courts will never accept that from the states. private business can make the rules for their business to protect themselves and their customers as they see fit.

You obviously know nothing about the law

[CI66774]

On 4/27/2021 at 7:28 AM, Buckeyefrank100 said:

We (for once) generally agree on this topic, but there is some significant debate as to whether it is legal for a business to require employees or customers to take the vaccine.  There's actually some precedent that prohibits the requirement.  But of course, this is 2021 and in the US, the law doesn't matter anymore.

You people are opining on a very complex legal question and it’s obvious you have no idea what you’re talking about.

[CI66774]

On 4/26/2021 at 3:18 PM, BlerkOne said:

It cannot prevent a business from requiring it, or make extra hoops necessary for the unvaccinated.

 

My business, my rules unless a protected class.

You are absolutely wrong on this issue.

[ProgRockCruiser]

9 hours ago, CI66774 said:

You are absolutely wrong on this issue.

OK, so you've made your point three posts in a row, but have offered nothing of substance.

 

If a club can have a dress code, why can't a business have a policy regarding vaccinations or other health and safety measures, like no shirt, no shoes, no service?

 

Is it because currently the vaccine is listed as emergency use only under the pandemic?  What happens when (if) it gets full approval?

[jfunk138]

35 minutes ago, ProgRockCruiser said:

Is it because currently the vaccine is listed as emergency use only under the pandemic?  What happens when (if) it gets full approval?

I think many underestimate how far away "full approval" is...

 

"Estimated Study Completion Date:  April 6, 2023"

https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT04368728