Rare BermudaBound2014 Posted April 27, 2021 #1 Share Posted April 27, 2021 This won't come as a surprise to most of us, but Cruise Industry News just published an article about why it is unlikely any cruise ships will sail in July from the USA. I do think it's interesting they mentioned the difficulty of getting crew and port workers. I don't believe the CDC has even responded to NCL's request to begin July 4th with full vaccinations. https://www.cruiseindustrynews.com/cruise-news/24860-july-cruising-from-u-s-ports-more-unlikely.html 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harkinmr Posted April 27, 2021 #2 Share Posted April 27, 2021 4 minutes ago, BermudaBound2014 said: This won't come as a surprise to most of us, but Cruise Industry News just published an article about why it is unlikely any cruise ships will sail in July from the USA. I do think it's interesting they mentioned the difficulty of getting crew and port workers. I don't believe the CDC has even responded to NCL's request to begin July 4th with full vaccinations. https://www.cruiseindustrynews.com/cruise-news/24860-july-cruising-from-u-s-ports-more-unlikely.html The CDC has responded, at least by implication. NCL asked in their proposal that the CSO be lifted. The meeting between the cruise line execs (including NCL) and the CDC made clear that the CSO would remain in place and the cruise lines would only be able to start in compliance with the phased plan. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare BermudaBound2014 Posted April 27, 2021 Author #3 Share Posted April 27, 2021 Yes, by implication but I thought that NCL went farther and asked CDC to specifically reply to their request to sail? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare graphicguy Posted April 27, 2021 #4 Share Posted April 27, 2021 Doesn't matter....NCL is moving their origination points to ports outside of the U.S. They may find they don't need U.S. ports after all. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steff79 Posted April 27, 2021 #5 Share Posted April 27, 2021 as i read they want to motivate young people to get vaccinated in the USA. Let´s start cruising for vaccinated people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drvmywifecrzy Posted April 27, 2021 #6 Share Posted April 27, 2021 My Bliss cruise is still on for July 3rd 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
logan25 Posted April 27, 2021 #7 Share Posted April 27, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, Steff79 said: as i read they want to motivate young people to get vaccinated in the USA. Let´s start cruising for vaccinated people. I agree the motivation is seriously lacking. Receiving CDC’s measured stamp of approval to be unmasked outside, especially alone or among other vaccinated. Small achievable goals. Would not want the CDC to break a sweat. Vaccination rates are lagging in some regions of the US. Authorities are rightly concerned and fundamentally confused. They have absolutely no idea how to respond in any substantive way. Edited April 27, 2021 by logan25 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare BermudaBound2014 Posted April 27, 2021 Author #8 Share Posted April 27, 2021 37 minutes ago, drvmywifecrzy said: My Bliss cruise is still on for July 3rd Wow! Maybe NCL really does think they can pull off the USA this summer. I'm feeling doubtful, but they may know something I don't. Is it past final payment yet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drvmywifecrzy Posted April 27, 2021 #9 Share Posted April 27, 2021 34 minutes ago, BermudaBound2014 said: Wow! Maybe NCL really does think they can pull off the USA this summer. I'm feeling doubtful, but they may know something I don't. Is it past final payment yet? Final payment is May 4th. And the ship is currently in the UK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harkinmr Posted April 27, 2021 #10 Share Posted April 27, 2021 2 hours ago, BermudaBound2014 said: Yes, by implication but I thought that NCL went farther and asked CDC to specifically reply to their request to sail? Frank Del Rio put out a statement to the media complaining that his written proposal had not been responded to three days AFTER the meeting he was at where the execs were told that the CSO was to remain in place. What purpose would it serve for him to receive a blunt written "thanks but no thanks" reply. I'm sure that the CDC is taking into account NCL's proposed protocols and vaccine mandate as they proceed with the working group. Should they throw the baby out with the bath water and just reject the entire thing? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare BermudaBound2014 Posted April 27, 2021 Author #11 Share Posted April 27, 2021 20 minutes ago, drvmywifecrzy said: Final payment is May 4th. And the ship is currently in the UK Jeezeeee.... that's pretty bad. Best to you! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare BermudaBound2014 Posted April 27, 2021 Author #12 Share Posted April 27, 2021 5 minutes ago, harkinmr said: What purpose would it serve for him to receive a blunt written "thanks but no thanks" reply. It seems to me the intent was to get the CDC to put in writing. For the lawsuits that are going no-where of course :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare sid_9169 Posted April 27, 2021 #13 Share Posted April 27, 2021 Even though I think that July cruises out of the US absolutely will not happen, I am among those who have decided to give the middle finger to the CDC, and travel to a foreign port to board the ship... 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harkinmr Posted April 27, 2021 #14 Share Posted April 27, 2021 1 minute ago, BermudaBound2014 said: It seems to me the intent was to get the CDC to put in writing. For the lawsuits that are going no-where of course 🙂 Yes. For media and political influence specifically. Still disingenuous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diver2014 Posted April 28, 2021 #15 Share Posted April 28, 2021 34 minutes ago, sid_9169 said: Even though I think that July cruises out of the US absolutely will not happen, I am among those who have decided to give the middle finger to the CDC, and travel to a foreign port to board the ship... Me too--flying to Punta Cana in August. The CDC can stick their politics where the sun don't shine. 6 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MichiganBound Posted April 28, 2021 #16 Share Posted April 28, 2021 4 hours ago, graphicguy said: They may find they don't need U.S. ports after all. That's very doubtful. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
farmersfight Posted April 28, 2021 #17 Share Posted April 28, 2021 9 hours ago, sid_9169 said: Even though I think that July cruises out of the US absolutely will not happen, I am among those who have decided to give the middle finger to the CDC, and travel to a foreign port to board the ship... Me too except I decided to give the CDC both middle fingers (double rods). 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
farmersfight Posted April 28, 2021 #18 Share Posted April 28, 2021 8 hours ago, Diver2014 said: Me too--flying to Punta Cana in August. The CDC can stick their politics where the sun don't shine. Amen. I'm flying to Punta Cana in Sept to cruise on the Norwegian Gem. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PelicanBill Posted April 28, 2021 #19 Share Posted April 28, 2021 It's not politics. It's the science of infectious diseases. Read the first pages of the Framework to see exactly why the CDC views cruises as high risk, and exactly how the cruise lines disregarded guidance and made it worse for themselves. When you start cruising, 50% of your fellow Americans aren't going to be vaccinated. That's not good odds of an outbreak-free cruise. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oteixeira Posted April 28, 2021 #20 Share Posted April 28, 2021 (edited) 39 minutes ago, PelicanBill said: It's not politics. It's the science of infectious diseases. Read the first pages of the Framework to see exactly why the CDC views cruises as high risk, and exactly how the cruise lines disregarded guidance and made it worse for themselves. When you start cruising, 50% of your fellow Americans aren't going to be vaccinated. That's not good odds of an outbreak-free cruise. Most of the "facts" in the first few pages of the CSO are outdated (as they should be, October was many moons ago in the Covid world). That is the issue here. The CSO is using March 2020 facts that they compiled in Oct of 2020 and applying them to the state of Covid today in the USA. If we did that with everything we would all still be locked in our homes with nothing open. That is where most of the complaints come from (from cruise loving folks). Edited April 28, 2021 by oteixeira 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare graphicguy Posted April 28, 2021 #21 Share Posted April 28, 2021 14 hours ago, sid_9169 said: Even though I think that July cruises out of the US absolutely will not happen, I am among those who have decided to give the middle finger to the CDC, and travel to a foreign port to board the ship... Agree. I believe the longer FL won't let the cruise lines sail out of their ports, the harder it will be for them to woo those cruises back. I'm a couple of weeks behind you sailing the Joy out of Jamaica. Flight was easy to make and is about the same price I would have paid to fly to MIA or MCO. Plus, spending some pre-cruise time at a resort that includes meals, for about the same price as a hotel in either MIA or MCO. So, it's easy, which is why it will be difficult to woo those ships back to FL once these sailings get under way with the Caribbean as their origination point. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy planning mom Posted April 28, 2021 #22 Share Posted April 28, 2021 4 hours ago, PelicanBill said: It's not politics. It's the science of infectious diseases. Read the first pages of the Framework to see exactly why the CDC views cruises as high risk, and exactly how the cruise lines disregarded guidance and made it worse for themselves. When you start cruising, 50% of your fellow Americans aren't going to be vaccinated. That's not good odds of an outbreak-free cruise. But that is why NCL is only allowing vaccinated passengers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
julig22 Posted April 28, 2021 #23 Share Posted April 28, 2021 18 hours ago, drvmywifecrzy said: My Bliss cruise is still on for July 3rd Nope. Cancellation letter came out this morning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare BermudaBound2014 Posted April 28, 2021 Author #24 Share Posted April 28, 2021 2 minutes ago, julig22 said: Nope. Cancellation letter came out this morning. Well, at least they cancelled it before final payment. Were you offered any perks? Increased FCC? etc?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
julig22 Posted April 28, 2021 #25 Share Posted April 28, 2021 2 minutes ago, BermudaBound2014 said: Well, at least they cancelled it before final payment. Were you offered any perks? Increased FCC? etc?? Just the standard 10% discount coupon, only if you don't have an unused one in your account. Based on prior experience, you might not even get that - I had to fight to get my "second" one with a previous cancellation, even though I'd already applied the first one. They'll tell you it's one to a customer...hopefully they got enough flak that they fixed it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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