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[Musky Ike]

On 5/17/2021 at 8:58 PM, pris993 said:

If you are vaccinated what are you worried about?  I trust the vaccination works, if ships cruising, I will be on board.   

 

Kind of how  my mindset has evolved, with masks also. I am fully vaccinated, so odds are I will not contract it, so thus not spread it. With vaccines readily available, except for some underlying conditions and young children,  if someone chooses not to get vaccinated  and catches Covid, their health is on them. I am done taking responsibility for their choices. 

[Musky Ike]

15 hours ago, seapals2 said:

Because unvaccinated passengers are more likely to get infected whilst onboard or travelling.  This will cause lots of restrictions being put into place and possible quarantine measures for any other passenger, vaccinated or not, who may have come into close contact.  The ship like others recently could even have to return to port and disembark all passengers.  

Much like a Noro outbreak onboard, Been there. Again some peoples poor choices causing issues for others. I agree  fully vaccinated passengers and crew would be the best choice but I will sail either way.

[PescadoAmarillo]

21 hours ago, pris993 said:

I am not concerned, if you are don't go. 

The same can be said about vaccinations. I wasn’t concerned and I got mine.  If others are and decide to skip them, then don’t go on a cruise. 

[PescadoAmarillo]

On 5/18/2021 at 2:36 AM, caribill said:

 

Carnival Corp (which owns Princess and Carnival cruise lines plus some others) is not taking this position.

 

Christine Duffy is president of Carnival Cruise Line, not of Carnival Corp.

 

Princess has not yet announced what its policy will be.

 

If not requiring the vaccines, then each ship will need to make one or more test cruises. If so, there is not enough time left to be ready for regular cruises in July.

And yet Princess continues to gladly accept deposits and final payments from vaxers and anti-vaxers alike while fence sitting on this very important issue. It’s getting a bit ludicrous. 

[c-boy]

24 minutes ago, PescadoAmarillo said:

And yet Princess continues to gladly accept deposits and final payments from vaxers and anti-vaxers alike while fence sitting on this very important issue. It’s getting a bit ludicrous. 

there's still time for them to get vaccinated before departing. For some procrastination is real

[nbsjcruiser]

 

Given the high level of vaccine hesitancy in the US I expect its a matter of when, not if there is a ship that cuts off its cruise and returns early with sick people - or worse. But lets ignore that for now and pretend it doesn't happen. There's hardly going to be an island worth visiting that will allow non-vaccinated people to wander ashore, spreading the virus to their regions. So the whole argument should be be not only on safety but on the stops in other countries that will be off limits with large counts of unvaccinated people on board. The CDC, DeSantis, Federal Govt - none of them have any say on whether or not I can get off in Sint Maarten for example. This is going to severely restrict where people can cruise to. Cruise to nowhere or a couple private islands with multiple days at sea? Nope. No thanks.

 

So we can all argue about the efficacy of vaccines, on whether or not there will be breakouts until the cows come home. It all boils down to what countries will allow unvaccinated people off the boats. I suspect, not many if any at all until at least this virus is truly gone and that wont be for another couple of years given the low rate of vaccine distribution in most of the world.

[pompeii]

On 5/18/2021 at 2:36 PM, pompeii said:

I didn't have any luck with that address - my email bounced back.  I found this one though, and it went through.  

 

customerrelations@princesscruises.com

I received the following response from customer relations, so if you want to make your position known you can shoot them an email.

 

The Customer Relations Department has received your correspondence and appreciate the opportunity to respond at this time. 

 

Our office appreciates the feedback provided to us by our guests and please be assured that the health of our guests and crew is our utmost concern.  Princess is working closely with the global health authorities for a plan to resume sailing and we encourage you to visit our website where we will post the most up to date health guidelines once they are finalized.  Please be assured all of your comments have been forwarded to the appropriate senior management.

 

Thank you so much for your patience and understanding over the past year.  We look forward to welcoming all our guests back very soon.

Sincerely,
Princess Cruises
Customer Relations Specialist                           
customerrelations@princesscruises.com

[nocl]

3 hours ago, pompeii said:

I received the following response from customer relations, so if you want to make your position known you can shoot them an email.

 

The Customer Relations Department has received your correspondence and appreciate the opportunity to respond at this time. 

 

Our office appreciates the feedback provided to us by our guests and please be assured that the health of our guests and crew is our utmost concern.  Princess is working closely with the global health authorities for a plan to resume sailing and we encourage you to visit our website where we will post the most up to date health guidelines once they are finalized.  Please be assured all of your comments have been forwarded to the appropriate senior management.

 

Thank you so much for your patience and understanding over the past year.  We look forward to welcoming all our guests back very soon.

Sincerely,
Princess Cruises
Customer Relations Specialist                           
customerrelations@princesscruises.com

I received the same e-mail in response to my comments in favor of fully vaccinated cruises.

[ebeluga]

8 hours ago, PescadoAmarillo said:

And yet Princess continues to gladly accept deposits and final payments from vaxers and anti-vaxers alike while fence sitting on this very important issue. It’s getting a bit ludicrous. 

Maybe that’s the whole point of not making a clear position concerning vaccination - to continue getting deposit from people regardless of vaccination status! 👌😆

Edited May 20, 2021 by ebeluga

[cruzluvr2]

2 hours ago, nocl said:

I received the same e-mail in response to my comments in favor of fully vaccinated cruises.

Me too.

[CI66774]

On 5/17/2021 at 9:06 PM, 2 cruises a year said:

An interrupted cruise for starters.  Who knows what will happen if a serious infection breaks out.  Have trouble finding a port.  Maybe quarantine everyone.  At the very least a big pain in the neck.

But that could happen on a vaccinated cruise as the vaccine does not provide immunity.

[CI66774]

9 hours ago, nbsjcruiser said:

 

Given the high level of vaccine hesitancy in the US I expect its a matter of when, not if there is a ship that cuts off its cruise and returns early with sick people - or worse. But lets ignore that for now and pretend it doesn't happen. There's hardly going to be an island worth visiting that will allow non-vaccinated people to wander ashore, spreading the virus to their regions. So the whole argument should be be not only on safety but on the stops in other countries that will be off limits with large counts of unvaccinated people on board. The CDC, DeSantis, Federal Govt - none of them have any say on whether or not I can get off in Sint Maarten for example. This is going to severely restrict where people can cruise to. Cruise to nowhere or a couple private islands with multiple days at sea? Nope. No thanks.

 

So we can all argue about the efficacy of vaccines, on whether or not there will be breakouts until the cows come home. It all boils down to what countries will allow unvaccinated people off the boats. I suspect, not many if any at all until at least this virus is truly gone and that wont be for another couple of years given the low rate of vaccine distribution in most of the world.

Somewhere around 59% of American adults have had at least one vaccine shot.

[CI66774]

On 5/17/2021 at 9:45 PM, hobbyfarmer2 said:

Simple answer.  Vaccinations work best when enough people are vaccinated to establish herd immunity which gives the virus a much reduced chance to spread.  It is quite possible to get COVID even if vaccinated, Bill Maher did last week.  A ship with everyone vaccinated is much safer than one with 60% vaccinated.  There is also the 14% chance of becoming a long hauler if you get the disease.

True but it’s my understanding not everyone will be vaccinated even on the vaccinated cruises. Close to 100% but there could be a few hundred not vaccinated.

[ontheweb]

12 hours ago, nocl said:

I received the same e-mail in response to my comments in favor of fully vaccinated cruises.

Yes, that e-mail seems to be a generic response sent out that offends no one no matter what position they took.

Edited May 20, 2021 by ontheweb

[nbsjcruiser]

10 hours ago, CI66774 said:

Somewhere around 59% of American adults have had at least one vaccine shot.

Good news. Lets hope it rises significantly. 

[jackyfromwyk]

I’m confused.  If the vaccine is effective, then why does it matter if others on board are vaccinated?  If it is effective then those who have gotten it are safe, right?  Anyway, I will cancel my Princess cruise if I have to get the shot.

 

[Syracusefan44]

I think the issue has to do with putting 2 - 4 unvaccinated passengers in a stateroom and having them test positive for COVID19.  Then trying to contact trace who they came in contact with during the cruise.  If there is a major outbreak on any ship among unvaccinated passengers the cruise lines will be shut down and more than likely go bankrupt.

 

In addition if port of call requires vaccines then everyone on the ship will be required to have a vaccine.  This requirement won’t be up to the cruise lines but the health departments of the countries they are visiting.

[2 cruises a year]

1 hour ago, jackyfromwyk said:

I’m confused.  If the vaccine is effective, then why does it matter if others on board are vaccinated?  If it is effective then those who have gotten it are safe, right?  Anyway, I will cancel my Princess cruise if I have to get the shot.

 

Thank you. You won't be missed. 

Edited May 21, 2021 by 2 cruises a year

[beg3yrs]

1 hour ago, jackyfromwyk said:

I’m confused.  If the vaccine is effective, then why does it matter if others on board are vaccinated?  If it is effective then those who have gotten it are safe, right?  Anyway, I will cancel my Princess cruise if I have to get the shot.

 

It matters because if enough people on board get sick, the cruise will be terminated. It's not an issue of the vaccinated getting sick any more.

 

Go ahead and cancel, we'll wave to you from the ship at sail-away while you're standing on the dock. It's your choice and I respect that.

[Redwing55]

I'm amazed about how dour people are about passengers that may get infected.  It's not at all like the original outbreaks.  Much more is known.  Now, true, no one knows exactly what actions the line will take with a positive passenger, but to assume that the cruise will be cancelled or worse yet, passengers won't be able to disembark is mostly an exaggeration.  

 

Even the Diamond had about only 25% of the passengers test positive last year.  And that's with no vaccinations and no understanding with how to contain/treat/detect Covid.

 

Be  positive folks.. It's a bit more fun!

[nocl]

On 5/19/2021 at 6:58 PM, CI66774 said:

But that could happen on a vaccinated cruise as the vaccine does not provide immunity.

Actually it does. Plenty of data out now that vaccination does in fact prevent infection at about the same level that it prevents symptomatic illness.

 

The trials did not test for infection, only symptomatic illness so it was uncertain when the vaccines were first approved. That gap in data has been filled by several large studies. The first being a study from Israel.

[nocl]

2 hours ago, jackyfromwyk said:

I’m confused.  If the vaccine is effective, then why does it matter if others on board are vaccinated?  If it is effective then those who have gotten it are safe, right?  Anyway, I will cancel my Princess cruise if I have to get the shot.

 

because 1. get infections among passengers and the cruise could be cut short or the itinerary modified. 2. the rules for masks, excursions, testing, B2B, etc are different for vaccinated vs non vaccinated. If not all vaccinated the at best there will be two sets of rules that the crew will have to enforce, at worst everyone gets the tougher restrictions.

[nocl]

On 5/19/2021 at 8:45 AM, PescadoAmarillo said:

And yet Princess continues to gladly accept deposits and final payments from vaxers and anti-vaxers alike while fence sitting on this very important issue. It’s getting a bit ludicrous. 

does that surprise you?

[caribill]

4 hours ago, jackyfromwyk said:

I’m confused.  If the vaccine is effective, then why does it matter if others on board are vaccinated?  If it is effective then those who have gotten it are safe, right?  Anyway, I will cancel my Princess cruise if I have to get the shot.

 

 

The vaccines are not 100% effective in keeping those fully vaccinated from catching the virus and developing Covid-19. However those who then do get Covid-19 usually do not require hospitalization.

 

Two recent examples:

 

New York Yankees -- 8 or 9 team/staff who were fully vaccinated (J&J) developed Covid-19 with all but 1 being asymptomatic.

 

SINGAPORE — Singapore said on Friday that it would ban dining in restaurants and gatherings of more than two people to try to stem a rise in coronavirus cases, becoming the latest Asian nation to reintroduce restrictions after keeping the illness mostly in check for months.

The new measures came after the city-state recorded 34 new cases on Thursday, a small number by global standards, but part of a rise in infections traced to vaccinated workers at Singapore Changi Airport.

The airport outbreak began with an 88-year-old member of the airport cleaning crew who was fully vaccinated but who tested positive for the virus on May 5. Co-workers who then became infected later visited an airport food court, where they transmitted the virus to other customers, officials said.

In all, 46 cases have been traced to the airport, the largest of about 10 clusters of new infections in the country.

“Because we do not know how far the transmission has occurred into the community, we do have to take further, more stringent restrictions,” said Lawrence Wong, co-chair of Singapore’s coronavirus task force. The measures will be in effect for about one month beginning on Sunday.

Singapore health officials said that of 28 airport workers who became infected, 19 were fully vaccinated with either the Pfizer or Moderna vaccines, the only two approved for use in Singapore.

“Unfortunately, this mutant virus, very virulent, broke through the layers of defense,” Transport Minister Ong Ye Kung told a virtual news conference on Friday.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/05/14/world/asia/singapore-covid-restrictions.html? 

 

[Roger88]

People do forget that a vaccine does not give you a 100% gurantee of not catching it. You can still fall ill with it but it just wont be that painful. In like a year or two the vaccine wont work at all