Who else just got canceled on Majestic to Alaska?

[HaveDogWillTravel]

Just now, dreaminofcruisin said:

 

Gotta love when someone tells you they are going to 'notate the reservation'....so what does that mean exactly? They are going to attach a sticky note? Seems like it should always go to Customer Service to me..... 

I've been reading the Celebrity pages as they are already sailing.  Apparently the word VACCINATED appears on their boarding pass so yes it can be notated.  And basically every booking is part of a data base.  Programs can easily be written to monitor percentage unvaccinated and then put a block on additional bookings notated unvaccinated.

[HaveDogWillTravel]

2 minutes ago, Cruise Raider said:

 

Maybe this has changed again.  I've read they are now selling these cruises at full capacity and perhaps they can do that if everyone is fully vaccinated.  I know a lot of cabins just opened up on the July 25th sailing.  I'm sure it was a tough decision to make .... a reduced capacity with 5% unvaccinated people or full capacity with a 100% vaccinated rate.  With the first option, you risk ticking off a lot of families but with the second option, you can make a lot more money and dramatically decrease the risk of a mini outbreak.  Perhaps Alaska stepped in and demanded a fully vaccinated passenger load as was stated on the Princess website.  

Either way, I did read that they were selling these cruises at full capacity, which makes sense if they require only fully vaccinated passengers and crew.  Just a guess on my part but like I mentioned, a large number of cabins just became available on their first sailing out so it does appear they no longer have a capacity limit.  Stay tuned for more changes as we still have 5 weeks to go.  

 

Hi CR

Yes the changes are bound to come up to and including all days on board.  I'm curious where you read these Alaska sailings are going at full capacity.  My PVP just emailed me that they definitely aren't (I just posted his reply to our roll call page) I am sure my PVP was told that so he believes it but we all know that PVP aren't always told everything and/or that things change so fast PVP's are giving out "old" info.  

 

 

[dreaminofcruisin]

5 minutes ago, HaveDogWillTravel said:

I've been reading the Celebrity pages as they are already sailing.  Apparently the word VACCINATED appears on their boarding pass so yes it can be notated.  And basically every booking is part of a data base.  Programs can easily be written to monitor percentage unvaccinated and then put a block on additional bookings notated unvaccinated.

 

Oh...no doubt it can be programmed that way...as long as it is set up to be.

The experiences lately  with Princess use of technology leaves me to question if they will do it correctly. 🥴

[HaveDogWillTravel]

1 minute ago, dreaminofcruisin said:

 

Oh...no doubt it can be programmed that way...as long as it is set up to be.

The experiences lately  with Princess use of technology leaves me to question if they will do it correctly. 🥴

 Here is what I asked my PVP

 When you make new bookings do you ask people if they are vaccinated? 

 

This is what he said

 I do not ask. I read a disclaimer that, for the Alaska voyages, vaccinations are required and that requests for information regarding providing proof of the acceptable vaccinations will be forthcoming. If the guest says they are not vaccinated then the procedure I outlined below takes place. If they say nothing then it will be dealt with later when the proof is required.

 

When you book online there is a pop up of that disclaimer.  Hopefully the proof will be required before  people show up at the port! I mean just in case there is some poor soul who's been living under a rock somewhere and did not get the memo.  

[Cruise Raider]

38 minutes ago, HaveDogWillTravel said:

Hi CR

Yes the changes are bound to come up to and including all days on board.  I'm curious where you read these Alaska sailings are going at full capacity.  My PVP just emailed me that they definitely aren't (I just posted his reply to our roll call page) I am sure my PVP was told that so he believes it but we all know that PVP aren't always told everything and/or that things change so fast PVP's are giving out "old" info.  

 

 

 

I read that on our roll call (Princess told him that our cruise would be at full capacity) and when I saw that a huge volume of inventory was released for bookings, thought it sounded as though he was onto something.  My PVP also told me we would have to ship to ourselves and hopefully, they won't fill it.  I love the Royal class ships but, they are definitely too crowded when the ship is at full capacity.  I tend to think now with the no kids under 12 policy, they won't be able to fill all the rooms during a July sailing.  If they really wanted to do that, I would think they would drop the price but I don't see that happening either ... not yet, anyway. 

[nocl]

1 hour ago, HaveDogWillTravel said:

I've been reading the Celebrity pages as they are already sailing.  Apparently the word VACCINATED appears on their boarding pass so yes it can be notated.  And basically every booking is part of a data base.  Programs can easily be written to monitor percentage unvaccinated and then put a block on additional bookings notated unvaccinated.

Problem is if some vaccinated passengers cancel at the last minute and they are running at 5% then which unvaccinated passenger do you tell that they cannot board.

 

So they would need to maintain some percentage below the five% which would only be 100 people to being with on a 2000 passenger ship.

 

From the cruise lines perspective the issues with having to manage a small number of unvaccinated children or other individuals on a ship sailing under the 95% protocol would be rather tedious for the cruise lines, especially if, as indicated from John Healds post, the rules for those unvaccinated would be fairly rigorous.  As John Heald wrote those rules clearly included wearing masks inside and outside.  It would not be unreasonable to expect that there would be additional restrictions for excursions, testing, distancing, etc. that all go away for the vaccinated. After all they all rules being implemented prior to the relaxing of rules for fully vaccinated individuals

 

How many would be back on CC complaining if they were able to take unvaccinated children on board and then having to deal with all of the more rigorous rules.

 

Much easier and simpler for the cruise lines to go vaccinated only.  I suspect that they also came to that conclusion when they started working out the details for the 95% protocol with the CDC.

[HaveDogWillTravel]

2 hours ago, dreaminofcruisin said:

 

Gotta love when someone tells you they are going to 'notate the reservation'....so what does that mean exactly? They are going to attach a sticky note? Seems like it should always go to Customer Service to me..... 

I misremembered earlier. This is the celebrity post I meant to share. It’s from the thread “When do you provide proof of vaccination “

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Posted Monday at 03:26 PM

When I booked, two days ago, I told them that DH and I were vaccinated and had proof.

The invoice I received has a new line under both our names under all the discounts and packages: VACCINATED: YES

Was also told during a conversation about this that you can volunteer any info you want and it will be noted.

[addie19]

1 hour ago, HaveDogWillTravel said:

I misremembered earlier. This is the celebrity post I meant to share. It’s from the thread “When do you provide proof of vaccination “

 

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Posted Monday at 03:26 PM

When I booked, two days ago, I told them that DH and I were vaccinated and had proof.

The invoice I received has a new line under both our names under all the discounts and packages: VACCINATED: YES

Was also told during a conversation about this that you can volunteer any info you want and it will be noted.

 

 

I saw that post too.

 

And now that I've discovered that there is a celebrity ship sailing on july 30th out of Seattle, I might have an easy alternate plan. they are currently allowed kids under 12!

 

https://www.celebritycruises.com/health-and-safety

[Wishing on a star]

Good Luck!  (even if it isn't your Princess cruise)

 

About whether the ships will sail at 100%, or what percentage...

I just checked an August cruise, it is now already the middle of June, and this cruise seems to have tons of cabins.

[dreaminofcruisin]

I do see now Princess has updated their website.

If I look at a California Coastal -- October 24th, it now has a banner stating that it is a fully vaccinated cruise with FAQ, etc.

If I look at a Caribbean Cruise in February, it does not have that banner.

 

The first would be within the time period of the CDC CSO. The 2nd would be after that is scheduled to expire.

[nocl]

2 minutes ago, dreaminofcruisin said:

I do see now Princess has updated their website.

If I look at a California Coastal -- October 24th, it now has a banner stating that it is a fully vaccinated cruise with FAQ, etc.

If I look at a Caribbean Cruise in February, it does not have that banner.

 

The first would be within the time period of the CDC CSO. The 2nd would be after that is scheduled to expire.

Which of course is subject to change if the CSO is extended.  Unless there is a dramatic change outside of the US I would expect the CSO to be extended with probably some additional relaxation of some restrictions.

[caribill]

10 hours ago, Cruise Raider said:

 

  Just a guess on my part but like I mentioned, a large number of cabins just became available on their first sailing out so it does appear they no longer have a capacity limit.

 

 

Or a large number of cabins became available as bookings for families with children younger than 12 were cancelled.

[caribill]

On 6/15/2021 at 12:36 PM, nocl said:

 

 

We do not know what criteria the cruise line is using for unvaccinated adults. They may be saying no to them as well.

 

 

Also to be considered:

 

The U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention lowered its travel warning for cruise ships Wednesday, recommending only unvaccinated passengers avoid cruise travel.

 

The COVID-19 risk for unvaccinated passengers on cruise ships is now set at Level 3, the second highest, down from Level 4. Previously, the CDC recommended all passengers avoid cruise travel.

[azbirdmom]

On 6/15/2021 at 10:36 AM, nocl said:

We do not know what criteria the cruise line is using for unvaccinated adults. They may be saying no to them as well.

 

They aren't saying no to them based on the guidelines released today.  While they haven't laid out how one would go about getting the special accommodation, they are pretty clear what awaits these passengers when they board the ship and also when in port.

 

[nocl]

1 hour ago, azbirdmom said:

 

They aren't saying no to them based on the guidelines released today.  While they haven't laid out how one would go about getting the special accommodation, they are pretty clear what awaits these passengers when they board the ship and also when in port.

 

To put it another way would you go as an unvaccinated individual after reading the fun rules you would have to deal with?

 

Or for that matter would those with children that got canceled still want to go knowing the rules that their children would have to deal with.

 

I suspect that there will be very few non-vaccinated individuals on board and that they are most likely requiring proof for either medical or religious exemption.

[nocl]

2 hours ago, caribill said:

Also to be considered:

 

The U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention lowered its travel warning for cruise ships Wednesday, recommending only unvaccinated passengers avoid cruise travel.

 

The COVID-19 risk for unvaccinated passengers on cruise ships is now set at Level 3, the second highest, down from Level 4. Previously, the CDC recommended all passengers avoid cruise travel.

but for these cruises we are specifically looking at how the cruise lines will be implementing the 95% protocol.  Clearly from Princess's posting today anyone that is unvaccinated on these cruises will face some pretty restrictive rules (masking, distancing, multiple testing, only ship approved excursions).

 

Does not look like they want any more unvaccinated then an absolute minimum.

[caribill]

All Princess 2021 cruises will only be open for fully vaccinated passengers.

 

Princess cruises sailing through 2021 are available for guests who have received their final dose of an approved COVID-19 vaccine at least 14 days prior to the beginning of the cruise and have proof of vaccination. Crew vaccinations will be in accordance with CDC guidelines.

[caribill]

14 hours ago, HaveDogWillTravel said:

 

If this was a cruise for later this year – NOT Alaska – then I would make the booking and notate the reservation that you would not be vaccinated.

 

Per Princess:

Princess cruises sailing through 2021 are available for guests who have received their final dose of an approved COVID-19 vaccine at least 14 days prior to the beginning of the cruise and have proof of vaccination. Crew vaccinations will be in accordance with CDC guidelines.

[addie19]

1 minute ago, caribill said:

All Princess 2021 cruises will only be open for fully vaccinated passengers.

 

Princess cruises sailing through 2021 are available for guests who have received their final dose of an approved COVID-19 vaccine at least 14 days prior to the beginning of the cruise and have proof of vaccination. Crew vaccinations will be in accordance with CDC guidelines.

Glad they finally figured it out. I just saw the updated faq on protocol for unvaccinated passengers. This back and forth over the past few weeks has been stressful. I'm really glad we weren't on Emerald and transferred and then canceled. We almost booked that itinerary when we were deciding initially!

 

As for me, I'll definitely cancel with the full refund option for myself, husband, and 2 kids under 12. Other 6 of group will sail as scheduled on princess. The 4 of us are now booked on the celebrity millennium! That ship is sailing at 30-40% capacity. Had to book 2 cabins though, no more than 2 people allowed in a room. We'll depart 2 days prior to the Majestic and will visit same places. 

 

I may still have a feeling that we could get canceled again, but celebrity is already sailing and has kids under 12 on board!

[Cruise Raider]

12 hours ago, caribill said:

 

Or a large number of cabins became available as bookings for families with children younger than 12 were cancelled.

 

That makes sense but then one of the people on my roll call was told by Princess that if they could fill the ship to full capacity, they were going to do so.  Time will tell as right after that, another person on the roll call was told it would be at reduced capacity but everyone had to be 100% vaccinated.  

[CynCyn]

On 6/15/2021 at 1:45 AM, caribill said:

 

 

 

It really does not matter.

 

People can claim a religious objection as the reason to not have had the vaccine.

 

No proof of religious beliefs could be required.

For employment you must have a statement signed by clergy. Bet Princess can require this too. 

[addie19]

OH MY!

 

I sent an email to the cvp Monday letting him know our decision. He called me at least 3 times last week wanting that info and this week, silence.  I called today to confirm and he's now out of the office until July 6th. spoke with another specialist who then tells me that the 12 and under rule is supposed to only apply to new bookings. ?!?!?!?!? Which ours is not since it was a rebooking that occurred  in January after another canceled Alaska cruise. So, in other words: PRINCESS HAS NO IDEA IF KIDS UNDER 12 ARE ALLOWED TO SAIL. The person I spoke with today said the decision may be the same(we can't sail) but it was not supposed to be handled by the cvp I was originally speaking with and instead I should receive a call (who knows when!?) by some internal department. 

 

Is there anyone on cc that is booked on these early Alaska cruises that has kids under 12 sailing? Or have you also been asked to kindly go away?

[Ombud]

I notice that the t&c on the August 2021 cruise is different than the ones after December 1, 2021 (even though those booking confirmations were just reissued after I resorted the Goodwill OBC)

[Wishing on a star]

What are the differences?

[Wishing on a star]

I will say this...  While the Princess Policy states that they 'intend' to follow guidelines with the 5% exceptions, they simply do not.  I am hearing that it it is not just unvaccinated children under 12. (which is really excluding ALL children under 12). But that Princess requires 100% vaccinated guests.   That anyone without valid record/proof of vaccination will not board, and will not be refunded.

 

Not sure if that qualifies as "asked kindly to go away".

 

Those 'guidelines for unvaccinated guests' are just BS

Princess is as bad as any lame double-talking denying Politician ever known.

Edited June 25, 2021 by Wishing on a star