Florida wins injunction over CDC's CSO

[ChutChut]

1 hour ago, DCGuy64 said:

Right? Looks like crow is on the menu tonight for all of the DeSantis haters. (And you know who you are!)

Those of us with some actual knowledge of the law attempted to tell people, but no one would listen..

[bajathree]

Well this just got ABC World News attention.

[DallasGuy75219]

9 minutes ago, ChutChut said:

The previous disaster was due to the negligence of Princess (and I love Princess) and Japan. We've learned a lot in over a year.

Then if the cruise lines have learned, they won't drop the current vaccine protocols and the mask and testing requirements, at least for the unvaccinated.  

Edited June 18, 2021 by DallasGuy75219

[ChutChut]

Now - let's discuss FL no vaccine verification law and how the cruise industry will get spanked if they violate it....

[SRQbeachgirl]

26 minutes ago, coldflame said:

Way too early to tell the repercussions to the cruise in the short term. The orders were very lenient i.e. the judge did not vacate or set aside the CSO. The CDC has the chance to propose a new CSO that's within the rules set by the court, which if the Judge rules it sufficient, they will remain mandatory. For example the CDC could say "sail with 100% vaccination and you can cough on each other mouths no other rules" and the judge could agree with that. If a case is a war, is undeniable FL won an important battle today, but the way the judge is deciding the case is clear there are a lot of doors open here in which the CDC can work this out.

 

Except the judge clearly stated that whatever proposed revisions the CDC submits must be in line with the requirements for other forms of travel. Since no other form of travel requires vaccinations - and since the judge even appeared skeptical of 95% vaccinated passenger requirement, it would seem doubtful he would accept requiring cruise passengers to be vaccinated.

[harkinmr]

5 minutes ago, deliver42 said:

I wonder what this does to the Alaska sailings, and the temporary law that eliminates the passenger act. I can now see Covid coming back to the cruise lines, and a new no sail order given. Thank you Governor Mini Me

I’m not sure the cruise lines will change their approach all that much even if the CSO ultimately goes away.  They are cognizant of the risks and the potential negative PR so they will likely continue to be extraordinarily cautious. The Alaska question is a legitimate one. The temporary exemption requires a Conditional Sailing Certificate under the CSO.  If one is not available because the CSO is null and void, then the legislation may have to be amended.  Given that the CSO will go to “guidance only” on July 18th it could slow things down.  Also, if a new CSO goes into effect, would this need to be reflected in a legislative amendment?  

[deliver42]

Other forms of travel require masks at all times. He might as well shut down cruising. Who here, wants to wear a mask all the time on a cruise, like you have to on a bus, train, or plane? That's basically what the judge said. That cruises shouldn't be treated different than other forms of travel. That's what the suite was all about. So now we have it.

[BlerkOne]

8 minutes ago, ChutChut said:

Now - let's discuss FL no vaccine verification law and how the cruise industry will get spanked if they violate it....

Florida has a weaker case there.

[DCGuy64]

14 minutes ago, ChutChut said:

Those of us with some actual knowledge of the law attempted to tell people, but no one would listen..

Some people who claimed to be legal experts swore up and down that Ron DeSantis would be laughed out of court. I wonder who’s laughing now. 

[SRQbeachgirl]

2 minutes ago, deliver42 said:

Other forms of travel require masks at all times. He might as well shut down cruising. Who here, wants to wear a mask all the time on a cruise, like you have to on a bus, train, or plane? That's basically what the judge said. That cruises shouldn't be treated different than other forms of travel. That's what the suite was all about. So now we have it.

 

Except masks on planes, trains, etc. will not be required after September 13, so that will no longer be an obstacle.

[BlerkOne]

Of course, the ports of call don't have to listen to the CDC or Florida. Now they are going to have to strengthen their protocols to protect themselves.

[BlerkOne]

2 minutes ago, DCGuy64 said:

Some people who claimed to be legal experts swore up and down that Ron DeSantis would be laughed out of court. I wonder who’s laughing now. 

The case is not over. The fat lady certainly isn't.

[DCGuy64]

Just now, BlerkOne said:

The case is not over. The fat lady certainly isn't.

Yeah it is. The CDC just got its a** handed to it and I’m positively gleeful. 

[DallasGuy75219]

2 minutes ago, SRQbeachgirl said:

 

Except masks on planes, trains, etc. will not be required after September 13

For now... if US vaccination rates don't start to improve (including age requirements being lowered), the spread of variants will likely require the mask requirements to be extended. 

[harkinmr]

 

6 minutes ago, SRQbeachgirl said:

 

Except masks on planes, trains, etc. will not be required after September 13, so that will no longer be an obstacle.

The FAA/TSA/CDC could extend the time frame for mask wearing on transportation beyond September 13th depending on circumstances.  I don’t think they have committed to an absolute expiration date. 

Edited June 18, 2021 by harkinmr

[kearney]

But by winning... they may be losing... at least up to this point the cruise lines could plan... now that someone has kicked over the board.... it opens things up...but it is not final... there could be an appeal ... so just as things were settling down... they are stirred up again. In theory the cruise lines could use the CDC guidance for fully vaccinated...no masks ...no social distancing... up to the individual... but some people not comfortable with <5% unvaccinated... how are they going to feel about cruise ships being run like stadiums, Costco etc... "wear em if you got em"

[smokeybandit]

6 minutes ago, DallasGuy75219 said:

For now... if US vaccination rates don't start to improve (including age requirements being lowered), the spread of variants will likely require the mask requirements to be extended. 

Variants have been spreading since February 2020 (since that's how viruses work). Just only in December 2020 were we told to fear variants.

Plus the public transportation mask requirement is solely to keep fights from breaking out.

Edited June 18, 2021 by smokeybandit

[jtwind]

It's like the 10% of people on the cruise critic forum who don't support fully vaccinated cruises are all on this thread.

[John&LaLa]

35 minutes ago, Ferry_Watcher said:

Darwinism at its best.  Not sure if a non vaccinated adult (especially an older adult male) should take those odds.

 

I'm vaccinated with the good stuff😉

[John&LaLa]

34 minutes ago, harkinmr said:

I highly doubt that. 

 

Ok, why. It's just politics lately. 

 

All about optics now

[DallasGuy75219]

2 minutes ago, smokeybandit said:

Variants have been spreading since February 2020. Just only in December 2020 were we told to fear variants.

Doesn't change the fact that COVID isn't going away anytime soon and will remain unmanageable in a pre-COVID cruise ship environment.

[soremekun]

[Pratique]

This is just weird:

 

"One is left to wonder, given the persistent risk of transmission of a communicable disease and, in fact, the frequent, debilitating, and sometimes deadly history of transmission of a communicable disease, whether the director of CDC could have — or, perhaps, should have — generally shut down sexual intercourse in the United States or, at the very least, imposed in accord with Section 264(a) strict requirements for inspection, disinfection, sanitation, and “other measures, as in his judgment may be necessary” to reduce to “zero,” for example, the human-to-human transmission of AIDS or syphilis or herpes. Political prudence (and difficulty of enforcement) might counsel CDC against this particular prohibition, but the statute, as understood by CDC, certainly erects no barrier."

[CaroleSS]

4 minutes ago, DallasGuy75219 said:

Doesn't change the fact that COVID isn't going away anytime soon and will remain unmanageable in a pre-COVID cruise ship environment.

Then don't plan on cruising.....end of story

[TMLAalum]

I hope all the happy people here will be booking their cruise out of Florida ASAP and set sail this summer.