Now need a test EVEN if vaccinated!

[MommaBear55]

57 minutes ago, nelblu said:

I'll bet that if you test all of the vaxed, the % will be much higher.

I agree totally. Which is why my husband and I have elected to start masking again in many situations. It feels like such a disappointing step backwards. 

[deliver42]

NCL is 100% vaccinated out of Seattle.. If I new then what I know now, I would've booked NCL on the Encore.

[SRF]

14 hours ago, RJ257 said:

That is incorrect. 6 million have immunity but less that 94%

 

Nope.  An efficacy of 94% means that 94% less people with the vaccine got sick versus unvaccinated.

 

So if you had a 100 vaccinated and 100 unvaccinated.  And 90 of the unvaccinated got sick, only  15 vaccinated got sick (94% of 90).

 

[quote]A vaccine with an efficacy of 90% in a trial, for instance, means there was a 90% reduction in cases of disease in the vaccinated group compared to the unvaccinated (or placebo) group.[/quote]

[nelblu]

1 hour ago, MommaBear55 said:

I agree totally. Which is why my husband and I have elected to start masking again in many situations. It feels like such a disappointing step backwards. 

I never stopped masking when in crowded places, other my close family that I'm familiar with,  like shopping, church, Casinos, restaurants, and any other venues that I consider risky.

 

I have a Oasis Sept. 5 sail and have no problem masking.

Edited August 7, 2021 by nelblu

[nelblu]

1 hour ago, deliver42 said:

NCL is 100% vaccinated out of Seattle.. If I new then what I know now, I would've booked NCL on the Encore.

I was under the impression that RCL out of Seattle requires 100% vaxxed.  Although no guarantee of no positive testing Paxs,

[not-enough-cruising]

Royal has updated their FAQs quite a bit to further clarify testing days, and a quite extensive list of acceptable tests including some supervised "at home" options.

 

https://www.royalcaribbean.com/faq/questions/if-need-an-rt-pcr-test-before-i-cruise-where-should-i-go

[nbsjcruiser]

19 hours ago, SRF said:

 

Nope.  An efficacy of 94% means that 94% less people with the vaccine got sick versus unvaccinated.

 

So if you had a 100 vaccinated and 100 unvaccinated.  And 90 of the unvaccinated got sick, only  15 vaccinated got sick (94% of 90).

 

[quote]A vaccine with an efficacy of 90% in a trial, for instance, means there was a 90% reduction in cases of disease in the vaccinated group compared to the unvaccinated (or placebo) group.[/quote]

Thanks for the explanation. I hadn't thought exactly what the efficacy number actually meant. Good explanation.

[nbsjcruiser]

18 hours ago, not-enough-cruising said:

Royal has updated their FAQs quite a bit to further clarify testing days, and a quite extensive list of acceptable tests including some supervised "at home" options.

 

https://www.royalcaribbean.com/faq/questions/if-need-an-rt-pcr-test-before-i-cruise-where-should-i-go

Is this a joke? Not your post to be clear, but what RCI is expecting people to do.

 

They link a page to a list of accepted tests and they actually expect people to read this page and absorb it?

They're out of their ever loving minds. 

 

This is the page they link to: https://www.fda.gov/medical-devices/coronavirus-disease-2019-covid-19-emergency-use-authorizations-medical-devices/in-vitro-diagnostics-euas-molecular-diagnostic-tests-sars-cov-2

and below is a small screen grab of what one very small portion of that page looks like .

It includes an appendix, words like "Individual EUAs", "DeNovo 501K Clearance", "Umbrella EUA", "Pooling and Serial Testing" and so on. Did I wake up this morning and discover its April 1? 

 

So now we're all supposed to be Diagnostic Medical Experts before we cruise? 

 

RCI you've lost your mind.

[molly361]

34 minutes ago, nbsjcruiser said:

Is this a joke? Not your post to be clear, but what RCI is expecting people to do.

 

They link a page to a list of accepted tests and they actually expect people to read this page and absorb it?

They're out of their ever loving minds. 

 

This is the page they link to: https://www.fda.gov/medical-devices/coronavirus-disease-2019-covid-19-emergency-use-authorizations-medical-devices/in-vitro-diagnostics-euas-molecular-diagnostic-tests-sars-cov-2

and below is a small screen grab of what one very small portion of that page looks like .

It includes an appendix, words like "Individual EUAs", "DeNovo 501K Clearance", "Umbrella EUA", "Pooling and Serial Testing" and so on. Did I wake up this morning and discover its April 1? 

 

So now we're all supposed to be Diagnostic Medical Experts before we cruise? 

 

RCI you've lost your mind.

I hope the poor folks checking people in have access to this list or have studied it intensively 😇

[livingonthebeach]

33 minutes ago, nbsjcruiser said:

Is this a joke? Not your post to be clear, but what RCI is expecting people to do.

 

They link a page to a list of accepted tests and they actually expect people to read this page and absorb it?

They're out of their ever loving minds. 

 

This is the page they link to: https://www.fda.gov/medical-devices/coronavirus-disease-2019-covid-19-emergency-use-authorizations-medical-devices/in-vitro-diagnostics-euas-molecular-diagnostic-tests-sars-cov-2

and below is a small screen grab of what one very small portion of that page looks like .

It includes an appendix, words like "Individual EUAs", "DeNovo 501K Clearance", "Umbrella EUA", "Pooling and Serial Testing" and so on. Did I wake up this morning and discover its April 1? 

 

So now we're all supposed to be Diagnostic Medical Experts before we cruise? 

 

RCI you've lost your mind.

 

This just pours fuel over the fire of confusion.  You have to be a virologist to understand all this additional info!

[molly361]

Why don't they just say that any covid test provided by a healthcare provider and/or major drug store chain is accepted?  Home tests only if monitored by an outside source  JEEZ  I did see the ID NOW on this list now

[livingonthebeach]

Just now went on the RCI website and they haven't taken down the info that states for cruises 4 nights or less if vaccinated, a Covid test is not required.  It's still there.  Don't know why they don't take down out of date info. 

 

I haven't received any notification from RCI directly that any length cruise regardless of vaccination status now requires a Covid test 3 days prior to cruising.  What are they waiting for to give correct instructions?  I realize that things are in flux and changing constantly but I also know that it takes seconds to update a webpage or to send an email notification. 

 

Not getting a warm and fuzzy feeling about my upcoming Sept cruise. 

 

[molly361]

1 minute ago, livingonthebeach said:

Just now went on the RCI website and they haven't taken down the info that states for cruises 4 nights or less if vaccinated, a Covid test is not required.  It's still there.  Don't know why they don't take down out of date info. 

 

I haven't received any notification from RCI directly that any length cruise regardless of vaccination status now requires a Covid test 3 days prior to cruising.  What are they waiting for to give correct instructions?  I realize that things are in flux and changing constantly but I also know that it takes seconds to update a webpage or to send an email notification. 

 

Not getting a warm and fuzzy feeling about my upcoming Sept cruise. 

 

I know  you have to go to the FAQ to find out.  I got an email AND a text about my upcoming August one.  Maybe they are waiting to send out the ones for Sept since they have yet to announce September protocols.  

[livingonthebeach]

Just now, molly361 said:

I know  you have to go to the FAQ to find out.  I got an email AND a text about my upcoming August one.  Maybe they are waiting to send out the ones for Sept since they have yet to announce September protocols.  

 

I can't imagine that Sept would be less restrictive, I think there will be additional protocols, IMO.  At this point I will wait and see but doesn't look too promising. 

[orville99]

16 minutes ago, livingonthebeach said:

Just now went on the RCI website and they haven't taken down the info that states for cruises 4 nights or less if vaccinated, a Covid test is not required.  It's still there.  Don't know why they don't take down out of date info. 

 

I haven't received any notification from RCI directly that any length cruise regardless of vaccination status now requires a Covid test 3 days prior to cruising.  What are they waiting for to give correct instructions?  I realize that things are in flux and changing constantly but I also know that it takes seconds to update a webpage or to send an email notification. 

 

Not getting a warm and fuzzy feeling about my upcoming Sept cruise. 

 

The statement is definitely on RCL's website (at least for August sailings out of Florida):

 

[SilkySal]

Things sure do seem to be changing on a daily, sometimes even hourly basis. As of now, we plan to make an appointment at CVS on Thursday before we cruise on Sunday in September for the PCR test and hope we get results before Sunday. May also try to get an appointment for a rapid antigen test for Saturday, in case we don't receive the PCR results. Wondering if we would still be able to board if we show proof of getting the PCR test but have not gotten the results? Would they then perform the rapid test at the terminal for us? So many IFS are mind boggling!!

[livingonthebeach]

15 minutes ago, orville99 said:

The statement is definitely on RCL's website (at least for August sailings out of Florida):

 

 

The page I looked out were for cruises out of Florida and it did not contain the new info.  Here's the link:

 

https://www.royalcaribbean.com/faq/questions/will-i-have-to-take-a-test-before-i-cruise

[not-enough-cruising]

1 hour ago, nbsjcruiser said:

Is this a joke? Not your post to be clear, but what RCI is expecting people to do.

 

They link a page to a list of accepted tests and they actually expect people to read this page and absorb it?

They're out of their ever loving minds. 

 

This is the page they link to: https://www.fda.gov/medical-devices/coronavirus-disease-2019-covid-19-emergency-use-authorizations-medical-devices/in-vitro-diagnostics-euas-molecular-diagnostic-tests-sars-cov-2

and below is a small screen grab of what one very small portion of that page looks like .

It includes an appendix, words like "Individual EUAs", "DeNovo 501K Clearance", "Umbrella EUA", "Pooling and Serial Testing" and so on. Did I wake up this morning and discover its April 1? 

 

So now we're all supposed to be Diagnostic Medical Experts before we cruise? 

 

RCI you've lost your mind.

While it is quite the exhaustive list, I myself found comfort in being able to go to the list, enter a test into the search bar (ID Now comes to mind because there were MANY questions about it) and instantly be assured it is a valid test to use. 

 

No need to digest the entire list

[orville99]

1 hour ago, livingonthebeach said:

 

The page I looked out were for cruises out of Florida and it did not contain the new info.  Here's the link:

 

https://www.royalcaribbean.com/faq/questions/will-i-have-to-take-a-test-before-i-cruise

It is not on the FAQ page, it is on their main webpage - click on the "Cruising Returns this Summer" link.

BTW, if you went to the FAQ page and clicked on Florida departures, this is what shows up:

FOR SAILINGS 4 NIGHTS OR LESS 

All guests age 2 and older will need to take the pre-cruise test as outlined above. However, on these shorter sailings, guests who are fully vaccinated may choose to provide proof of vaccination in order to be exempt from this test. For short sailings departing on or after August 12, this exemption will not be granted, and vaccinated guests will be required to take this test.

Edited August 8, 2021 by orville99

[molly361]

12 minutes ago, orville99 said:

It is not on the FAQ page, it is on their main webpage - click on the "Cruising Returns this Summer" link.

BTW, if you went to the FAQ page and clicked on Florida departures, this is what shows up:

FOR SAILINGS 4 NIGHTS OR LESS 

All guests age 2 and older will need to take the pre-cruise test as outlined above. However, on these shorter sailings, guests who are fully vaccinated may choose to provide proof of vaccination in order to be exempt from this test. For short sailings departing on or after August 12, this exemption will not be granted, and vaccinated guests will be required to take this test.

I must need to clear my cookies because it is NOT on the first page when I click on it-  It IS in the FAQ section  what a hot mess!!

 

Pre-Cruise Test For All Guests On Sailings 4 Nights Or Less
All guests age 2 and older will need to take the pre-cruise test as outlined above. However, on these shorter sailings, guests who are fully vaccinated may choose to provide proof of vaccination in order to be exempt from this test.

Edited August 8, 2021 by molly361

[livingonthebeach]

24 minutes ago, orville99 said:

It is not on the FAQ page, it is on their main webpage - click on the "Cruising Returns this Summer" link.

BTW, if you went to the FAQ page and clicked on Florida departures, this is what shows up:

FOR SAILINGS 4 NIGHTS OR LESS 

All guests age 2 and older will need to take the pre-cruise test as outlined above. However, on these shorter sailings, guests who are fully vaccinated may choose to provide proof of vaccination in order to be exempt from this test. For short sailings departing on or after August 12, this exemption will not be granted, and vaccinated guests will be required to take this test.

 

Thanks for this new info.  The other older page is out-of-date and should be removed, IMO.  The major problem with the other page is that it mentions this: 

 

"For guests on cruises departing from Florida homeports from August 1 through December 31, 2021, the following requirements apply."  Then goes on to give incorrect info. 

[RFerrington]

2 hours ago, livingonthebeach said:

 

I can't imagine that Sept would be less restrictive, I think there will be additional protocols, IMO.  At this point I will wait and see but doesn't look too promising. 

As long as they permit us to get cash refunds...

[nbsjcruiser]

1 hour ago, not-enough-cruising said:

While it is quite the exhaustive list, I myself found comfort in being able to go to the list, enter a test into the search bar (ID Now comes to mind because there were MANY questions about it) and instantly be assured it is a valid test to use. 

 

Until its not. The way things are changing, the list is bound to change as well. Everything is changing daily and its like all these cruise companies (except NCL) are floating aimlessly in a sea of uncertainty and confusion. NCL has the right idea near as I can tell - cruising 100% vaccinated out of Florida or we're not cruising out of Florida. Had all lines picked this option, DeSantis would have backed down or found a way to save face and back off. Instead, we have this foolishness. 

 

[not-enough-cruising]

15 minutes ago, nbsjcruiser said:

 

Until its not. The way things are changing, the list is bound to change as well. Everything is changing daily and its like all these cruise companies (except NCL) are floating aimlessly in a sea of uncertainty and confusion. NCL has the right idea near as I can tell - cruising 100% vaccinated out of Florida or we're not cruising out of Florida. Had all lines picked this option, DeSantis would have backed down or found a way to save face and back off. Instead, we have this foolishness. 

 

You, of course, are entitled to your opinion. I believe you are over simplifying the NCL situation and it’s ripple effect; talk is cheap when you don’t have any ships currently sailing. Time will tell. 
 

On the testing front, of course you are right. Things will change and evolve, so will the CDC list. For now however this is what we have and it is very workable. I can only live in the moment, I will concern myself with tomorrow when it comes. 

[MooNGaTe27]

I cant read that darn list . My CVS is using the Rapid Artigen Test -Binax Now is that one ok 

Edited August 8, 2021 by MooNGaTe27
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