Oasis Chartered Cruise During Covid…Do they have to Follow the same Covid Protocols?

[topnole]

59 minutes ago, A&L_Ont said:

People pass away on the ship frequently. 

I’d say the demographic on this cruise

is 20-30 years younger on average than an average cruise.  Yes people pass on ships frequently because the population of folks on cruise ship is on average older.  I doubt there were many 70-90 year olds on this trip.  And I doubt on normal trips you have so many passengers taking hits of varying types of dangerous drugs throughout the week.  

Sure, unfortunate events happen anywhere at anytime, but let’s not kid ourselves pretending that many deaths onboard ships don’t involve older folks who would’ve died even if they were at home living their normal lives.  No idea if someone really did die on this trip, but a death involving younger folks would be much less likely from “natural causes” involving old age.  Either way, someone passing is very sad.  

[not-enough-cruising]

21 minutes ago, Will K. said:

Thge below is from the Atlantis Guide.  The cruise was to follow all RC Covid Procedures.  Pictures prove it did not.  

 

I want to know how they are suppose to deep clean the entire ship up to Covid protocal standards between the hours of 7:00cam when it docked and 5:00 pm when it takes off with new passengers.  E

Cleaning protocols haven't appeared to be a problem the last 3-4 months; why call it into question now?

[topnole]

7 minutes ago, Jimbo said:

There is no such thing as a Deep Cleaning in between  sailing, Can't be done, that's all just eye wash for whoever is listening to make them feel safer. It's a joke.

That is true for pretty much everything.  Hotels, AirBB, etc.  Always come prepared to sanitize things if that is important to you.  Never assume they actually did anything to really sanitize because they aren’t doing it in most cases regardless of what they tell you.  

[Jimbo]

7 minutes ago, topnole said:

That is true for pretty much everything.  Hotels, AirBB, etc.  Always come prepared to sanitize things if that is important to you.  Never assume they actually did anything to really sanitize because they aren’t doing it in most cases regardless of what they tell you.  

At Least Hotels and AirBB's don't  broadcast it like cruise lines do..........Send you out a letter saying delayed boarding because of deep cleaning, why kid us on that when everyone know it's just BS. I rather them say nothing about the cleaning.

Edited January 23, 2022 by Jimbo

[topnole]

7 minutes ago, Jimbo said:

At Least Hotels and AirBB's don't  broadcast it like cruise lines do..........Send you out a letter saying delayed boarding because of deep cleaning, why kid us on that when everyone know it's just BS. I rather them say nothing about the cleaning.

A lot do though.  I think the rentals often offer an extra service for it and charge extra.  You know they aren’t doing anything extra other than making $100-150 more off the customers.  That is probably even worse.   

[ReneeFLL]

We are doing a b2b right now and they had a lunch in the mdr for the consecutive cruisers. I don't remember them having that before covid. I think it was to keep us occupied for a while. The rooms were ready sometime after 1:00 which was pretty much normal before covid so not sure how much extra cleaning they could have done.

[moonltnite]

I recall reading on CC somewhere (not sure which thread - if this one or another) that the sailing departing today on Oasis is boarding 2 hours later than usual.  Someone on this cruise said they got an email letter letting them know.  That's likely either due to "extra cleaning" or just due to more passengers disembarking than they've had on prior cruises (since this one was closer to capacity than others in recent months). 

[A&L_Ont]

1 hour ago, topnole said:

Either way, someone passing is very sad.  

All I said was deaths on a cruise is not uncommon. I didn’t get into demographics or anything else. Someone passing any day is sad.  Young or old, they died doing what they loved and it doesn’t matter if they are on a charter or normal cruise.

Edited January 23, 2022 by A&L_Ont

[BennyBrun]

1 hour ago, Tree_skier said:

At the end of the day, what this proves is all the restrictions and protocols are all for show.  End then all now. It's time to go back to normal life and normal cruising.  

Very well said!!  We are at a different place now than what happened on the Diamond Princess two years ago.  With the vaccine / testing readily available it’s time to stop the theatrics of deep cleaning, extending protocols and sip and cover.  This chartered cruise actually proved that yes normal cruising can happen and did happen even without following the expanded protocols Royal pushed out to the non chartered cruisers.  If they do decide to go back to a semi normal cruising then they should end CWC for new cruises booked and extend CWC for those already booked so that we can move on to the new reality that we have to learn to live with Covid.

[A&L_Ont]

 

1 hour ago, ReneeFLL said:

We are doing a b2b right now and they had a lunch in the mdr for the consecutive cruisers. I don't remember them having that before covid. I think it was to keep us occupied for a while. The rooms were ready sometime after 1:00 which was pretty much normal before covid so not sure how much extra cleaning they could have done.

I’ve partaken in two of them over the years while on B2Bs prior to Covid. Both were on Oasis Class ships as well.  If I remember correctly, they might not have been hosted if there were not enough cruisers on board, and that not every class of ship hosted them. 

[bucfan2]

1 hour ago, Tree_skier said:

At the end of the day, what this proves is all the restrictions and protocols are all for show.  End then all now. It's time to go back to normal life and normal cruising.  

Wow...most common sense thread posted in a long time...and surely to be deleted soon!

[bucfan2]

53 minutes ago, HappyInVan said:

 

Actually, all it shows is that we have choices. RCI has made their choice. It's your decision if you choose to sail with RCI. Its your responsibility if you get infected and end up in quarantine. Its your shame if you don't get tested, and infect others.

 

There's always a choice to be made. 🙄

Choices are definitely being made.   And the cruise companies see 30-50% full ships as a result of some mandates, and a lot of choices.  Let's just hope we don't find out how long they can survive with these numbers (note: 'too big to fail' is not a valid business model).

Edited January 23, 2022 by bucfan2

[Jimbo]

3 hours ago, Tree_skier said:

At the end of the day, what this proves is all the restrictions and protocols are all for show.  End then all now. It's time to go back to normal life and normal cruising.  

My opinion, I don't see it that way in less you follow each passenger for the next 3 to 5 days and see if they contract the virus or not and if they do  how many die from complications. Then and only then do we not know  if  or not the protocols helped or not?

 

Protocols may not save everyone from dieing but if it was to happen to you or your loved one you will be grateful those protocols were in place.

Edited January 23, 2022 by Jimbo

[Pratique]

1 hour ago, Jimbo said:

My opinion, I don't see it that way in less you follow each passenger for the next 3 to 5 days and see if they contract the virus or not and if they do  how many die from complications. Then and only then do we not know  if  or not the protocols helped or not?

 

Protocols may not save everyone from dieing but if it was to happen to you or your loved one you will be grateful those protocols were in place.

On the one hand I agree. On the other hand, the cruise line should drop any pretense of enforcing the guidelines. It's a joke now.

 

This was taken from the cruise contract I received for my canceled Symphony cruise.

 

"Passenger expressly agrees to comply ... with the COVID-19 Policies and Procedures as they are described herein... [including] (3) modified capacity rules for activities (including but not limited to restaurants, gyms, and entertainment events onboard and for shore excursions) which may limit or eliminate the ability of Passenger to participate in particular activities; (4) mandatory use by each Passenger (except where medically contraindicated) of face coverings in most locations outside of the Passenger’s cabin while onboard, during embarkation, disembarkation and shore excursions; (5) mandatory social distancing of Passengers at any/all times while on board and during embarkation, disembarkation, and shore excursions...."

[dswallow]

2 hours ago, Jimbo said:

My opinion, I don't see it that way in less you follow each passenger for the next 3 to 5 days and see if they contract the virus or not and if they do  how many die from complications. Then and only then do we not know  if  or not the protocols helped or not?

 

Protocols may not save everyone from dieing but if it was to happen to you or your loved one you will be grateful those protocols were in place.

 

Do the same for one or two other sailings, too. And let's actually do the same for grocery shopping, sporting/musical event attendance, a stay in Las Vegas, airline flights, and some restaurants.

 

We know how many are dying from complications -- a pretty tiny number right now, in total. If some statistically significant number of them had just gotten off a cruise ship in the last week or two, we'd be hearing about it.

[joeyancho]

On board now for the  1/23 cruise.  The ship is spotless.   Crew unphased.    Much ado about nothing. 

[Jimbo]

1 hour ago, dswallow said:

 

 

 

We know how many are dying from complications -- a pretty tiny number right now, in total. If some statistically significant number of them had just gotten off a cruise ship in the last week or two, we'd be hearing about it.

I bet that tiny number looks bigger if it turns out to be yourself ?

Edited January 23, 2022 by Jimbo

[Tolkmit]

58 minutes ago, Jimbo said:

I bet that tiny number looks bigger if it turns out to be yourself ?

 

Don't eat solid food! A small number of people choke each year, but "I bet that tiny number looks bigger if it turns out to be yourself"!!!! Everyone should be getting all their nutrients as smoothies!

 

/s

[bucfan2]

1 hour ago, Tree_skier said:

I agree completely.  The theatre needs to come to an end.  It is all meaningless and completely unsupported by the data. Numbers are dropping like a stone just like was predicted.  Omicron was much ado about nothing, just like many predicted.  I personally got it and had the sniffles.  Had it not been for my desire to go home to Canada at Christmas I would have never tested. I'm now tripled vaxxed and recovered from Covid. I have immunity coming out of the wazoo. If people don't want to vaccinate and wear masks let them make their own decisions. If people want to double mask every orifice of the body God bless them too. I have a friend who had Kidney replacement surgery this last year.  He wears an N95 everywhere and avoids restaurants. That's what personal responsibility looks like. If cruise lines want to allow unvaxxed or unmasked passengers let them. The ridiculous fear mongering has to end.

 

You see the UK and Ireland dropping all restrictions.  It's time for the same to happen in the US. If you are afraid act accordingly and in your own best interest.  If you are not stop doing things that aren't in your best interest.  

 

The notion that in 3 weeks while I am on Odyssey of the Seas I will need to don a ridiculous and useless cloth mask while riding in a bumper car or sitting in a theatre yards from anyone but my wife is preposterous. The duplicity and hypocrisy of these people advocating, requiring or enforcing these rules borders on criminal. Especially after seeing this...

 

 

I was glad to get on a cruise when the restart happened and probably would have complied with any rule they made.  My last cruise, in Dec, on Liberty I complied again.  Last week I received an email from Royal extending the stricter protocols.  I don't think Ive been this close to cancelling a cruise ever.

Well put.  This last Oasis cruise was gonna be the ‘end of safe cruising as we know it’ - worse in comparison to Symphony and all the others (last I heard was 2 pax and some crew). Perhaps someone with better googling skills can help - where are the news articles announcing shutdown of the  industry?  
 

Here’s a thought….lines are literally giving away cruises, and they’re sailing @ 50% (and some well under that).  (We had a GS on an Alaska cruise for $100/pp/per day all in).  That should be a real concern for cruising.

Edited January 24, 2022 by bucfan2

[DallasGuy75219]

On 1/22/2022 at 5:24 PM, topnole said:

Also, given the heavy drug use aboard, how many onboard would even know they are sick when they are up for 48 hours straight on a coke bender?   I’m sure half of them are sniffling constantly.  

 

That's an incredibly offensive generalization about a group of people you apparently know nothing about.

[Tree_skier]

32 minutes ago, DallasGuy75219 said:

That's an incredibly offensive generalization about a group of people you apparently know nothing about.

There are pictures posted on twitter, which I have seen and are available for anyone who wants to look, of people shooting heroin in the middle of the aqua theatre.

[DallasGuy75219]

6 minutes ago, Tree_skier said:

There are pictures posted on twitter, which I have seen and are available for anyone who wants to look, of people shooting heroin in the middle of the aqua theatre.

Really, "half" the cruise? Some men go on these cruises to have fun without the drug use and orgies that you're trying to portray half the ship participating in.

[Jasukkie]

13 minutes ago, Tree_skier said:

There are pictures posted on twitter, which I have seen and are available for anyone who wants to look, of people shooting heroin in the middle of the aqua theatre.

Link? I searched and could not find.

[Tree_skier]

50 minutes ago, DallasGuy75219 said:

Really, "half" the cruise? Some men go on these cruises to have fun without the drug use and orgies that you're trying to portray half the ship participating in.

I'm not portraying anything.  I never said half, that was someone else.  I have no idea what percentage are engaged in that behavior. The only thing I'm portraying is the images that these folks are posting on various social media sites.  Gratuitous sex and drug use was being boasted about all over the internet throughout this cruise.  Trust me I'm far from a pearl clutcher.  I'm just using this cruise as another great example hypocrisy and duplicity of enforcing covid mandates or rules on anyone.

[ReneeFLL]

3 hours ago, bucfan2 said:

…Here’s a thought….lines are literally giving away cruises, and they’re sailing @ 50% (and some well under that).  (We had a GS on an Alaska cruise for $100/pp/per day all in).  That should be a real concern for cruising.

What discounts were involved? Casino?