LouCoop Posted July 20, 2023 #1 Share Posted July 20, 2023 Anyone have more news about this? If true it will change a lot of itineraries. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigGreenFan Posted July 20, 2023 #2 Share Posted July 20, 2023 Source? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlorenceItaly Posted July 20, 2023 #3 Share Posted July 20, 2023 (edited) It does appear the city council has approved to close the city centre cruise port. I can not find an effective date yet. It was just announced an hour ago. Edited July 20, 2023 by FlorenceItaly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RICHARD@SEA Posted July 20, 2023 #4 Share Posted July 20, 2023 Amsterdam to close cruise ship terminal amid effort to restrict tourism | Netherlands | The Guardian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YourWorldWithBill Posted July 20, 2023 #5 Share Posted July 20, 2023 Pretty dramatic news! HAL can't be happy about this. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LouCoop Posted July 20, 2023 Author #6 Share Posted July 20, 2023 33 minutes ago, BigGreenFan said: Source? The Guardian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RICHARD@SEA Posted July 20, 2023 #7 Share Posted July 20, 2023 This is the wave of NOW...not the future... many ports around the globe have already started putting limits on the size of passenger ships allowed to dock in cuty centers. I actually applaud this...the ports were never built to accommodate such large vessels & the cruise lines don't seem to be in a hurry to up the Environmental Impact solutions - except to build larger ships. 9 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YourWorldWithBill Posted July 20, 2023 #8 Share Posted July 20, 2023 4 minutes ago, RICHARD@SEA said: This is the wave of NOW...not the future... many ports around the globe have already started putting limits on the size of passenger ships allowed to dock in cuty centers. I actually applaud this...the ports were never built to accommodate such large vessels & the cruise lines don't seem to be in a hurry to up the Environmental Impact solutions - except to build larger ships. I agree with you. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare kazu Posted July 20, 2023 #9 Share Posted July 20, 2023 Yikes. No date and wondering how fast they will move on this. We sail out of there in October. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilvertoGold Posted July 20, 2023 #10 Share Posted July 20, 2023 (edited) Looks as if they are limiting cruise ships because of some rowdy younger Brits who travel to Amsterdam and cause a lot of trouble. Also, the pollution angle is a valid one, but to limit all cruise ships? Sounds like the sledgehammer solution. Rotterdam should be able to take advantage of this move by Amsterdam. For us this is a positive since we enjoy Rotterdam Edited July 20, 2023 by SilvertoGold 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlorenceItaly Posted July 20, 2023 #11 Share Posted July 20, 2023 5 minutes ago, SilvertoGold said: Looks as if they are limiting cruise ships because of some rowdy younger Brits who travel to Amsterdam and cause a lot of trouble. Also, the pollution angle is a valid one, but to limit all cruise ships? Sounds like the sledgehammer solution. Rotterdam should be able to take advantage of this move by Amsterdam. For us this is a positive since we enjoy Rotterdam OR perhaps Rotterdam is next. This summer there have been protestors at the Rotterdam port when some of the cruise ships have come in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare cruisemom42 Posted July 20, 2023 #12 Share Posted July 20, 2023 8 minutes ago, SilvertoGold said: Looks as if they are limiting cruise ships because of some rowdy younger Brits who travel to Amsterdam and cause a lot of trouble. To me, the article is listing these as two separate issues. To curb the latter they are doing things like limiting use of cannabis in the areas where traditionally it has been available. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RICHARD@SEA Posted July 20, 2023 #13 Share Posted July 20, 2023 Unfortunately this rowdy party behavior is widespread - in many places like Fort Liquordale the young ones(16-35) have made a spring break that is no more than a drunken brawl where hotels are ripped apart, pools are unusable & the streets are full of drunk & stoned people. so its not just the Brits - these "HEN" parties are horrible..in Phoenix they now ban them in hotels & BNB. The cruise lines are responsible..... smaller ships are still able to sail the Norwegian Fjords. Funny thing is that Bermuda built a larger dock are years ago - and yet the nicest cruise to Bermuda were the ones that docked right in Front Street & even sailed over to St George for a day..... only the smaller ships can do that. UnThis is the wave of NOW...not the future... many ports around the globe have already started putting limits on the size of passenger ships allowed to dock in cuty centers. I actually applaud this...the ports were never built to accommodate such large vessels & the cruise lines don't seem to be in a hurry to up the Environmental Impact solutions - except to build larger ships. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare John Bull Posted July 21, 2023 #14 Share Posted July 21, 2023 2 hours ago, SilvertoGold said: Looks as if they are limiting cruise ships because of some rowdy younger Brits who travel to Amsterdam and cause a lot of trouble. Also, the pollution angle is a valid one, but to limit all cruise ships? Sounds like the sledgehammer solution. Rotterdam should be able to take advantage of this move by Amsterdam. For us this is a positive since we enjoy Rotterdam No, you're confusing two separate issues. They have banned "beer bikes" and they are seeking to dissuade stag & hen parties etc. That's the rowdiness - yes, probably Brits are a significant proportion. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-41830304 And Amsterdam's well-known lax attitude to soft drugs and sex for sale has kinda invited that sort of clientele. Too many tourists is the reason for the decision to close the city cruise facilities. And because, like almost anywhere in the world, cruise visitors don't bring as much business as other tourists because they bring their own board & lodgings with them. Pollution, and plans for a new bridge have also been cited. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-66264226 I'm surprised no date seems to have been fixed for the start of the ban. My guess - and its only a guess - is that it'll be between this year's main season & next year's. JB 🙂 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare HappyInVan Posted July 21, 2023 #15 Share Posted July 21, 2023 2 hours ago, kazu said: Yikes. No date and wondering how fast they will move on this. We sail out of there in October. Not to worry. I doubt that this can be implemented before 2025. It would be logical to begin to squeeze cruise arrivals in 2024. In any case, this is the anti-ship movement that is gaining traction. I was in Juneau in May and there was a demonstration outside the parking garage. A substantial crowd who wanted to ban cruise ships. https://www.cruisehive.com/popular-alaskan-port-seeking-to-limit-cruise-ship-visits/93569 On the Mendenhall excursion, the driver said that an initiative had been proposed to cut cruise ships by half. But, did not have enough support to go on the polls. However, the driver thought that there would be enough support for a proposal cut ships by a third. This from a guy whose livelihood depended on the cruise industry! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashland Posted July 21, 2023 #16 Share Posted July 21, 2023 Well I'll certainly be watching this as we sail out of Amsterdam July 2024. Loved sailing from this port (2022) which had the best terminal staff we've encountered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YourWorldWithBill Posted July 21, 2023 #17 Share Posted July 21, 2023 On the HAL website many departures for summer of 2024 show departure from Rotterdam, although some still show Amsterdam. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare itsnotjustme Posted July 21, 2023 #18 Share Posted July 21, 2023 We sailed from this port a year ago. It was great having our hotel steps from the port, and in easy walking distance of downtown/public transport. They did have issues with controls placed on the opening of the locks which impacted our departure time and the length of our port call in Brugge, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gumshoe958 Posted July 21, 2023 #19 Share Posted July 21, 2023 Interesting to see whether IJmuiden takes over as the main port for Amsterdam. It’s nowhere near as convenient, with poor transport links, but ultimately it’s Amsterdam that most tourists want to see, not Rotterdam. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dutch_Travelgirl Posted July 21, 2023 #20 Share Posted July 21, 2023 (edited) A few corrections/nuances from a local because the Guardian article is missing some details which seems to have lead to misinterpretations of what was actually decided; the city council has not voted to shut down the cruise terminal and it doesn’t take effect immediately. For some time now there is a debate going on in Amsterdam about how to control the huge number of tourists that visit the city each year. On top of that there is increasing awareness about the huge air pollution caused by ocean cruise ships. As you may know, their engines still need to run, at a lower level, to generate the electricity needed to power all systems on board. For years, there has been talk in Amsterdam about moving the cruise terminal to a place outside the city. In 2016 for instance, the city already decided to move the cruise terminal to somewhere more near the harbor, but concrete action was never taken. The city did reduce the number of ocean cruise ships that are allowed to dock at the Amsterdam cruise terminal to a maximum of 190 ocean cruise ships per year. Yesterday, the city council has decided to speed up the process of moving the cruise terminal for sea cruises. In other words; it’s time we stop talking about it and start taking action. That’s it. So there is no immediate shut down of the cruise terminal in Amsterdam. And until the new cruise terminal is ready, which won’t be for many many years, ocean cruise ships can still come to Amsterdam and dock in the Cruise Terminal. Edited July 21, 2023 by Dutch_Travelgirl 10 12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigAl94 Posted July 21, 2023 #21 Share Posted July 21, 2023 Latest port to do so https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-66264226 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cotswold Eagle Posted July 21, 2023 #22 Share Posted July 21, 2023 To be fair, the news articles are based on a D66 statement, which is a bit short of detail and nuance! https://d66.nl/amsterdam/nieuws/cruiseterminal-cruiseschepen-amsterdam-haven-klimaat-brug-co2/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lady Meer Posted July 21, 2023 #23 Share Posted July 21, 2023 Article on BBC news this morning that the City cruise terminal is to close. Sorry I’m not tech savvy enough to post a link. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tigrou Posted July 21, 2023 #24 Share Posted July 21, 2023 (edited) I've just read this too. Amsterdam city council has banned all cruise ships and the cruise terminal will close. I haven't been able to find anything about a date for when this will come into force. Also nothing on whether the ban is for all cruises, ie sea and river. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-66264226 Edited July 21, 2023 by Tigrou 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C4HCG Posted July 21, 2023 #25 Share Posted July 21, 2023 I’ve wondered why protesters in the UK have not targeted cruise companies more than they do. Am no scientist but don’t think they are particularly environmentally friendly but have seen adverts for one line that claims to be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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