teen curfew on Oasis

[Cancruizer]

Very unfortunate to hear what happened to a girl on the Allure - quite sad. However, just to note that my question was weather or not curfew is enforced on RCCL so that we could have a realistic and not idealized view of what to expect. Seems she was at a teen event, therefore not out past curfew, unless I have read this wrong. It definately brings up a conversation to have with my son, as I am sure it has for many other parents of boys or girls.

[Dawgfan6291]

So what you are saying is you never told a lie or never withheld the full truth? Ever? :rolleyes:

 

*I'm* not going to call you a liar, but there is one big piece that everyone is completely missing in this thread and the argument between the "pooh-pooh the curfew" people and the "curfew is in place, so follow it" people...the basic fact that the teenage brain is far from mature. The part of your brain that is responsible for good decision making, fully understanding consequences and the ability to process all those impulses is there but in an immature form.

 

Blah. Here we go with teens are physically stupid. Here is the deal, Teach your kids right from wrong and be done with it but "their brains can't handle it" is kinda lame. ;)

I can think of many "old folks" who are way less mature than me(a 20 year old to stupid to drink person :mad:). I may be an exception to the rule I guess but the group of people I hang around have their life in order.....

 

and to answer your question, yes I have told a lie, everyone lies, its not just a teen thing.....And that was my point. Not trusting a teen just because they are a teen is the same as not trusting someone due to race or sex. Totally wrong. ;)

 

Anyways, I just want to point out my view before i make everyone hate me. Its a rule, it should be fallowed. Period. I hate wearing a seat belt, but its the law. It is fallowed, like it or not. The law is the law is the law and as much as one may disagree with it, you should fallow it or be prepared to face the consequence. ;)

[Dawgfan6291]

As far as girl scout thing goes....actually I was a girl scout and presently so are my girls, we have the many "extra" cookie boxes in our cabinet to prove it. :)

 

As far as the buddy system goes....I have 4 kids (3 who are teens) and our kids are never allowed to be alone by themselves on a cruiseship. Luckily, our 2 older girls are close enough in age where the buddy system is easy for them. In the incident I referred to, my 14 year old kept telling her older sister to "hold on" causing them to be late. I held the younger one accountable. I didn't punish the older one because she knew better than to leave her younger sister alone just so she could meet a curfew.

 

As far as the age thing goes, I am fully aware that I can not protect my girls or son all of the time, but I give them the best tools I can to prevent this from ever hopefully happening as should every other parent. Allowing them to stay out past 1am in my opinion is just wrong! :rolleyes:

 

Just because it "can" happen at any time, doesn't mean you shouldn't practice some good common sense! The entire point of this thread was if the curfew is enforced. It is still my opinion that teens under 18 should not be allowed to roam a ship by themselves after 1am. It is our job as parents to be good parents not cool ones!

 

I totally understand, My sister is 7 years older than me, but thankfully i have a cousin who is only 2 years older than me and we are really close.

 

and I agree with you, it is the rule and it should be fallowed(but you shouldn't toss the kids out at 1:01am overboard)

I get a little hot on here sometimes because this site can be very anti-teen and a good part of it is people throwing every teen ever born under the bus because some punk kid tossed a trash can overboard thus we are all evil. Some of us, work, are on our own and are good people. (and its not because my brain developed, its because i was raised right.) Its sad how far we have come yet some people still hate a person because of age. :(

 

(not saying you do, just kind of ranting here)

 

K I'm done. :D

[struther1]

Blah. Here we go with teens are physically stupid. Here is the deal, Teach your kids right from wrong and be done with it but "their brains can't handle it" is kinda lame. ;)

I can think of many "old folks" who are way less mature than me(a 20 year old to stupid to drink person :mad:). I may be an exception to the rule I guess but the group of people I hang around have their life in order.....

 

and to answer your question, yes I have told a lie, everyone lies, its not just a teen thing.....And that was my point. Not trusting a teen just because they are a teen is the same as not trusting someone due to race or sex. Totally wrong. ;)

 

Anyways, I just want to point out my view before i make everyone hate me. Its a rule, it should be fallowed. Period. I hate wearing a seat belt, but its the law. It is fallowed, like it or not. The law is the law is the law and as much as one may disagree with it, you should fallow it or be prepared to face the consequence. ;)

Exactly right

[Big_G]

Blah. Here we go with teens are physically stupid. Here is the deal, Teach your kids right from wrong and be done with it but "their brains can't handle it" is kinda lame. ;)

I can think of many "old folks" who are way less mature than me(a 20 year old to stupid to drink person :mad:). I may be an exception to the rule I guess but the group of people I hang around have their life in order.....

 

and to answer your question, yes I have told a lie, everyone lies, its not just a teen thing.....And that was my point. Not trusting a teen just because they are a teen is the same as not trusting someone due to race or sex. Totally wrong. ;)

 

Anyways, I just want to point out my view before i make everyone hate me. Its a rule, it should be fallowed. Period. I hate wearing a seat belt, but its the law. It is fallowed, like it or not. The law is the law is the law and as much as one may disagree with it, you should fallow it or be prepared to face the consequence. ;)

 

You just proved midwife's point. Anyone who tries to relate gender and race to maturity as it pertains to good judgement apparently lacks maturity. Good judgement is a developmental process. You can't chose your race and sex. I'm not saying you lack good judgement in other areas but that was certainly a good example.

[midwife1021]

Blah. Here we go with teens are physically stupid. Here is the deal, Teach your kids right from wrong and be done with it but "their brains can't handle it" is kinda lame. ;)

 

I never said that "teens are physically stupid". I never mentioned teens being stupid at all, that is just the wild conclusion you have jumped to on your own. I'm sorry it gets your feathers ruffled but it is well-researched and documented fact of neuroscience that the brain isn't fully matured in decision-making and judgement functioning until the 20s.

[Big_G]

I never said that "teens are physically stupid". I never mentioned teens being stupid at all, that is just the wild conclusion you have jumped to on your own. I'm sorry it gets your feathers ruffled but it is well-researched and documented fact of neuroscience that the brain isn't fully matured in decision-making and judgement functioning until the 20s.

 

...or in some cases never.:D

[bplazo]

I never said that "teens are physically stupid". I never mentioned teens being stupid at all, that is just the wild conclusion you have jumped to on your own. I'm sorry it gets your feathers ruffled but it is well-researched and documented fact of neuroscience that the brain isn't fully matured in decision-making and judgement functioning until the 20s.

 

I have heard that from Judge Judy :).

[Sh1035]

brings me back to the darn Nancy Holloway case.....

 

She's drinking with 4 of her friends and at 2 am they let her go off with 3 random guys???

 

No it's all Arubas fault!!! Hello??? But no dear Nancy Grace made a career out of it!

[davekathy]

I have heard that from Judge Judy :).

 

Can't argue with Judge Judy.

[reallyitsmema]

brings me back to the darn Nancy Holloway case.....

 

She's drinking with 4 of her friends and at 2 am they let her go off with 3 random guys???

 

No it's all Arubas fault!!! Hello??? But no dear Nancy Grace made a career out of it!

Natalie Holloway.

[Older Party]

The time of the curfew is irrelevant but whatever it is, it should observe it.

 

This is not an issue about good/bad kids or good/bad parents. This is simply an issue of.... OMG, could it actually be this simple...Will you make your kids obey RCL rules or not?

 

Many of you, wonderful parents with wonderful children, think....

 

A smoker is a terrible person because they smoke on their balcony, or the casino, where it is not against the rules. Based on your feelings on the teen curfew, you shouldn't have a problem if they light up in the dining room. You certainly shouldn't care if someone wears shorts to dinner on formal night.

 

Flame me AS YOU WILL but this really is an issue of right and wrong. If you allow your teens out after curfew, you are wrong. Nobody is saying they are doing anything wrong. They are just saying it's against policy. You expect others to do so. Maybe you should as well.

 

There may be other posts regarding what I am going to say here, but I haven't seen one yet. I think teen curfews on mega ships MUST be enforced by both the cruise line and the parents because of the extraordinary amount of passengers onboard. How can you know the character of everyone on a ship that carries thousands of people? My fear would come from a very drunk adult preying on a pretty teenage girl. The later it gets, the more drunk and out of hand some of the passengers get.

[Doug S]

There may be other posts regarding what I am going to say here, but I haven't seen one yet. I think teen curfews on mega ships MUST be enforced by both the cruise line and the parents because of the extraordinary amount of passengers onboard. How can you know the character of everyone on a ship that carries thousands of people? My fear would come from a very drunk adult preying on a pretty teenage girl. The later it gets, the more drunk and out of hand some of the passengers get.

 

Yup, parents can't use cruising as an excuse to abdicate their responsibility. I didn't let my kids run wild with no curfew at home, so why should I let them run free on a cruise ship? Like you say, no matter what we want to think, its not a sterile environment with no chance of bad stuff happening. My kids had tons of fun on cruises, and still do, but they also knew there were rules set by both us and the cruise line and we expected them to abide by them.

[antsp]

I asked one of the security heads one evening exactly how much stuff goes on from a security standpoint (wondering about the free-reign of the kids aspect) and his response was this:

 

1/ For every security camera you see, there are 5 you don't.

 

2/ As long as a passenger has their seapass on person, with the touch of a few buttons they can locate them on the ship and automatically pull up the nearest security camera's live view. (The Seapass cards are RFID active, for those who didn't know...)

 

3/ If a parent ever needs to urgently locate their kid, #2 above is utilized.

 

If the cruise lines wanted to vehemently enforce all the rules regarding curfew they'd need not work very hard to do so, sending out teams to sweep the areas where the seapass cards (and the attached kids) are located. The fact that they don't (as others mention here as well) would sure seem to indicate that they are satisfied to let the rules remain lax as long as there are no problems.

 

I'm confident that if kids were running ram-shot around the ship at 3AM causing all sorts of disturbances they would not only be sent back to their room, but their parents would be receiving a talking to the next morning, or if the situation was serious enough, in the middle of the night.

 

Again, these are not 9 and 10 year old kids we're talking about, but 13-19 year old young adults.

 

 

What a load of rubbish.

[Bizzie07]

We are just off Indy and the Teen Curfew is still in force. My daughter and her friend knew that we expected them back to their cabin at 1am and they had to phone us when they were in their cabin (across the hallway). If a teen activity in the Living Room or Fuel was going on later than 1am which sometimes it did they had to phone us and ask permission to stay and once they had our permission they phoned again when back in their cabin. This worked well and they had a great time.

[Teganoh]

it depends on who sees you and how much of a nuisance you are being. if there being quiet it isnt too strictly enforced.

[Polarbear Pa]

This is really a silly question after all this discussion. Does RCCL ever enforce any of their rules and why would anyone read the rules and think they should follow them. after all its only a rule not a law.

[spookwife]

Well, I guess I will wait until we are on the ship and see.... Honestly, for us we really do want to make sure everyone is safe and not getting into trouble. Just wanted to get an idea if curfew was actually enforced and if teens are really staying out a bit later, so we can be realistic in terms of what to expect. Thanks for the honest feedback.

 

it is your responsibility to decide whether or not to strictly enforce the stated curfew.

 

you are the parent. YOU tell Junior to be in the cabin by 0100 if that it what the curfew is. that way you won;t have to wonder about enforcement by Security. hell, tell him to be there by Midnight if you prefer. don't wait for or expect the crew to do it for you.

 

I have seen parents make damn sure Junior is in the cabin long before curfew, and I have seen them say.. be back by curfew. I have also seen parents not give a flying leap and never gave the kids any boundaries at all.

 

Security is not there to enforce curfew. they expect the Parents to be at least minimally responsible for the behavior and actions of their offspring.

[mom2mnem]

We are currently on the Allure and it does seem like the rules are being enforced. Curfew is 2 am but after midnight the teen area ( not sure if all or just select ones) is only for 15-17 yr olds. My boys are 14& 16 and have made some friends together. unfortunately for my 14 yr old , at midnight they all hang out at the 15-17 yr old area and he is left alone which is fine by me. midnight is quite generous for a 14 yr old. he just ends up coming back to the cabin. They do scan sea passes to verify age and have warned the kids trying to lie about it.

 

Lisa

[gerif]

it is your responsibility to decide whether or not to strictly enforce the stated curfew.

 

you are the parent. YOU tell Junior to be in the cabin by 0100 if that it what the curfew is. that way you won;t have to wonder about enforcement by Security. hell, tell him to be there by Midnight if you prefer. don't wait for or expect the crew to do it for you.

 

I have seen parents make damn sure Junior is in the cabin long before curfew, and I have seen them say.. be back by curfew. I have also seen parents not give a flying leap and never gave the kids any boundaries at all.

 

Security is not there to enforce curfew. they expect the Parents to be at least minimally responsible for the behavior and actions of their offspring.

 

Big like to this one. I just love when parents say "my kid is responsible" - well, if that's true, he or she should be responsible enough to follow rules and not seek to circumvent them when inconvenient.

[Polarbear Pa]

I really think it is a case of you need to teach children that if you are some where doing something and rules are posted you must follow them. If you are allowing your children to stay out past curfew you are showing them that can just ignore what doesn't suit them. Not a good life lesson.

[bplazo]

I really think it is a case of you need to teach children that if you are some where doing something and rules are posted you must follow them. If you are allowing your children to stay out past curfew you are showing them that can just ignore what doesn't suit them. Not a good life lesson.

 

Totally agree.

[Whats Up Whats Down]

I think that the curfew is pretty fair especially if your teen is 12-15. Also, a lot of the things have already closed at that time. Even though they have on the oasis, a teen club called fuel, that is supposedly open till 2. Can you stay in that after curfew?:):)

 

Also what if your kid can't sleep and wants to go get a snack, can he or she do that?

 

I also agree however that if your kid is not noisy or being obnoxious I don't mind him being out late.

[Domino D]

You just proved midwife's point. Anyone who tries to relate gender and race to maturity as it pertains to good judgement apparently lacks maturity. Good judgement is a developmental process. You can't chose your race and sex. I'm not saying you lack good judgement in other areas but that was certainly a good example.

 

Big G,

I am afraid I have to disagree with you. The key part of the Dawgfans post is "Not trusting a teen just because they are a teen". The point is that you can not label all teens the same, just as you can not label all people of a certain race or sex the same. I think this a completely fair and true point.

 

I am 56 years old. When I was 14 my father was gone, I worked everyday after school and on weekends to help out at home. I had jobs all through high school and was an assistant manager of a movie theater at 16. I was responsible for closing the theater after the last shows, normally after midnight. I would make the bank deposit in the night depository and then drive home. My son who is 24 worked through high school and college. At 16 he was a supervisor in the ticket office of an amusement park. We both worked, kept our grades up, and graduated college. I assure you we were both mature enough to not require a curfew. We understood responsibility, respect, and reasonable care, and we had these skills well developed by 16.

 

The belief that "Integrity has no need of rules" is not related to age, but character.

 

If you acknowledge the fact that not all teens are untrustworthy, nor are all teens at the same level of maturity, than Dawgfans point is completely true.

 

I have seen plenty of people over 18 on cruises, who should have been given a curfew. Say the drunk woman who had to be hauled out of a hot tub at 9pm (during the family movie night) by 4 security guards. The drunk 50 somethings walking down the hall at 3 am singing outside my cabin in their underwear. Or the woman who "fell asleep" in our hallway, causing us to have to step over her to get to our cabin. Not all late night nuisances are under the age of 18, and while I have seen teens running around the ship being childish, I have also seen teens late at night, just sitting on the pool deck talking. Shouldn't the standard for being sent to your cabin be behavior, not simply age.

[Ourusualbeach]

I think that the curfew is pretty fair especially if your teen is 12-15. Also, a lot of the things have already closed at that time. Even though they have on the oasis, a teen club called fuel, that is supposedly open till 2. Can you stay in that after curfew?:):)

 

Also what if your kid can't sleep and wants to go get a snack, can he or she do that?

 

I also agree however that if your kid is not noisy or being obnoxious I don't mind him being out late.

 

It states in the explanation of the junior cruisers curfew that junior cruisers participating in programs provided by the teen staff are an exceotion.

 

My kids have also been told by the teen staff that when the nighttime event concludes that they may go to Sorrentos to get food before returning to their cabin.