Huge brawl on the Legend, with video.

[DeesEscape]

Yea because this never happens on other cruise lines huh. [emoji848]. YouTube my friend.

 

 

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The Anti-Carnival snobbery on this board...:rolleyes:

[SelectSys]

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[coaster]

Fights happen on all lines. Watched one onboard in my cabin one night via the camera in the indoor promenade on the Mariner of the Seas. It is more about how it is handled by onboard security. Hard to say either way without all the details. However, why weren't the troublemakers thrown in the brig before they could cause more trouble later in the cruise? It just seems like multiple security lapses led to this video.

[summersigh]

When condemning Security please remember that the guy getting kicked - because they couldn't pull him off - had his victim in a headlock which could have ended up being fatal.

[WilShari]

They are highly trained according to carnival ,,,LOL .Trained how to kick passengers when they are on the ground is there way it looks like .Doesn't cost anything to train them how to do that .

 

 

 

Looks like they’re acting like real cops LOL!

 

 

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[Stick93]

When condemning Security please remember that the guy getting kicked - because they couldn't pull him off - had his victim in a headlock which could have ended up being fatal.

 

 

 

In rewatching the video is see the concern of the security guards for the Safety of this woman as they are walking around hitting people’s phones and yell in at everyone else. I guess people will make excuses for everything. There is nothing one can say to excuse the behavior seen. All of us are less safe with that going on. They blew it by not handling it earlier and they blew it when “push cane to shove”!

 

 

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[RustyRollock]

These violent thuggish passengers had been causing a lot of trouble from day 1 and should have been put off the ship much sooner. They'd been keeping staff and security "busy" for several days so this latest brawl was the final straw. Yes, it could have been handled better but I can see understand why it ended this way.

[BookDragon]

When condemning Security please remember that the guy getting kicked - because they couldn't pull him off - had his victim in a headlock which could have ended up being fatal.

 

I don’t know if you even bothered to read my response to your previous question...but again, just like folks say, “there’s an app for that.”, well “there’s training for that.” And evidently Carnival hasn’t properly trained the security guards or the security guards forgot their training & took stuff personally. Regardless, it is never okay to haul off & kick at people laying on the ground. They could have kicked and seriously injured the person underneath. They escalated the situation because no one is going to stand by and watch their loved one getting kicked while they are laying on the ground. As someone else already mentioned , if the security guards felt justified in their actions then why try to prevent folks recording the event on their phones?

[stevefrisco]

I'm a big whimp but I've spent enough time in strip clubs and other seedy places with "security" to know how it all works. The best way to keep this type of stuff from happening is to have security presence who aren't looking to fight and are actually really nice and cool to the clientele.

 

I know CCL hires a lot of foreign folks for financial reasons but they should maybe pay a little extra and hire some Big, Burly, out going guys who love talking to the passengers. Drunk folks are generally more aggressive and prone to fighting than sober people (meet my life partner :')) but they are also faster to make friends. If a person prone to fighting isn't scared of a 6' 6'' 350 pounder, he or she is less likely to cause a ruckus for his new friend and is more likely to listen to a friendly voice of reason than someone who can't speak plain and clear American English. I'm not saying that to be xenophobic, but I know that a lot of people are xenophobic and are more likely to listen to authority from their own "tribe".

[squick64]

These violent thuggish passengers had been causing a lot of trouble from day 1 and should have been put off the ship much sooner.

If this is the case, I'm surprised Carnival hadn't done something already. I've read stories on CC of guests who boarded on day 1, got plastered, yelled at a bartender (or some other boorish behavior), and got escorted off the ship before it'd even embarked. Anyone who's posing a threat to other guests and their safety should be thrown off the ship (once it's in port, I mean, not literally into the sea). Cruising is a privilege, not a right, and I doubt it costs the cruise line money. It's not like they're going to refund the passengers they kicked off, and not handling it well makes everyone feel less safe. Maybe the next time I book a cruise, I'm going to be thinking, "Eh, I don't think I'll go with Carnival. If some drunk psychos start messing with me, they won't do anything about it."

[Lakesregion]

Interesting read this thread. Goes to my theory that too many people have been raised by wolves and are currently raising their offspring the same way. More concern for the over reaction of security than the large number of drunk and boorish people who do not have sufficient self control to behave in public and we wonder why we have school shootings. Time for everyone to take a long look in the mirror and determine if we want this to be our society going forward.

[Wol]

These violent thuggish passengers had been causing a lot of trouble from day 1 and should have been put off the ship much sooner. They'd been keeping staff and security "busy" for several days so this latest brawl was the final straw. Yes, it could have been handled better but I can see understand why it ended this way.

 

Exactly. For Carnival to say they have "zero tolerance" for antisocial behaviour is a joke: a large and apparently continually aggressive family group allowed to act this way for a week or more hardly counts as "zero tolerance" in my book.

 

Such behaviour is a criminal offence in aviation law and I doubt if it's any different in maritime law. Chuck the book at the perpetrators.

[thecruisers6]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5398111/Shocking-vision-violent-brawls-Carnival-Legend-cruise.html

[Matlily]

I don't blame security for having a go! 23 of these family members (huge ones) the guy in the pink short swing at everyone, the guy in the blue shirt looked like a carnival entertainment employee hold the culprit in place but was a lot smaller than the guy make all the violent gestures. I am sure the security guys and girls had just lost it and they are little in comparison to the instigators! Again I agree if the 23 people were trouble they should have been in the brig? is it big enough for that many? I have also seen people confined to their rooms before but 23? They should have taken them off sooner and or brought on law enforcement to handle them and talk to them. Just my two cents. reminds me of a cruise out of Miami where people were trying to intimidate others.....

[coaster]

Watching video again with Wifey. 1:25 into the original video, you see a security member draw back his arm and was about to punch a woman with a red skirt. He sees cell phone recording and puts down his arm. This would of been a much uglier situation had this not been recorded.

 

 

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[bingomamma19]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5398111/Shocking-vision-violent-brawls-Carnival-Legend-cruise.html

 

 

This was in australia. I have been on 10 carnival cruises here and never had an issue....ever.

 

Any human being can act like a jerk..anywhere

[lulu78]

Nothing to be afraid of here! If you do a YouTube search for fights on cruise ships you'll find others that didn't happen on carnival. This was a bunch of drunken idiots that can't behave like civilized people. I've cruised 7 Carnival cruises now and have never experienced anything like this. But if you're truly terrified of Carnival, thankfully there's many other cruise lines you can choose from

[sweetsixteencruisers]

Probably going to get flamed but I really can’t believe the responses are more about how security handled these violate thugs. Looks to me, they got what they were giving out to innocent passengers who had to endure their violence. They should have been put off the ship sooner.

[Keys2Heaven]

Interesting read this thread. Goes to my theory that too many people have been raised by wolves and are currently raising their offspring the same way. More concern for the over reaction of security than the large number of drunk and boorish people who do not have sufficient self control to behave in public and we wonder why we have school shootings. Time for everyone to take a long look in the mirror and determine if we want this to be our society going forward.

 

But in this instance it was about security. I don't see the need to wax philosophically about the current state of our society in this thread. All we need to know is that this group was causing issues for the better part of the cruise to date and that it finally took this brawl before said family was removed from the ship.

 

Furthermore, the response of the security detail was abhorrent and raises the question of just what kind of training these folks receive. It certainly doesn't make me feel like I would be safe if something like this broke out on a ship I was on.

 

And let's not forget the recent 4 health inspection failures, with one being the newest ship in the fleet and that one just BARELY passing the follow-up inspection. Forget the nonchalant boiler-plate press release issued by Carnival which fails to address an systemic issue within the Carnival culture that is allowing issues like we are seeing to perpetuate.

 

I feel it's been a bad few months for Carnival.

[Don Kehote]

Eh. I wouldn't worry about it. I most definitely wouldn't be TERRIFIED over it.

[Kanyon71]

Probably going to get flamed but I really can’t believe the responses are more about how security handled these violate thugs. Looks to me, they got what they were giving out to innocent passengers who had to endure their violence. They should have been put off the ship sooner.

The way that security handled it is not the only thing at issue, the people in the fight are the start and end of it. But security taking a horrible approach to ending the altercation is not acceptable. What if security had kicked someone in the head and that person died. When they started kicking they also became part of the problem, they were no longer a solution.

 

I know there are better ways of handling the situation as I stated previously I worked these types of situations for many years. You can do many things to stop this and not one of those things is kicking. The people who started all of this were completely in the wrong and should pay dearly for what they caused. Once it was broken up they were locked in rooms and the next day 6 of the men were escorted off the ship by the police on a boat and then the remaining 14 people with them also left the ship.

 

When the security team started in as they did it just made things escalate as you can see in the video. More than blaming the security people I blame their lack of proper training to handle a situation like this. 2-3 properly trained people could have stopped this with no escalation rather quickly.

[vozzie]

I just hope Carnival doesn't use the Security personnel as scapegoats. It was Carnival's ( the Captain's) decision NOT to nip it in the bud earlier by off loading them. By allowing them to remain on board it put the under-trained Security staff in a very awkward position and they dealt with the gradually escalating situation in the only way they knew. Carnival....it's your fault. Yes, improve the Security training but first, accept the blame.

[Coolhand]

Where is the closest Firehose!

[CoupleUK]

The security team need to be sacked.

 

The team providing their training need to be sacked.

 

When one person causes trouble it is fairly easy to deal with.

 

In a situation like this one, effective training should result in a unified response - which does not include "laying the boot in".

 

I would also have thought staff would recieve some basic PR training too. The security staff had zero control of the situation and that led to them attacking the video person.

 

Personally, im also concerned that this incident doesnt even appear on this websites News section - but it is owned by tripadvisor so shouldnt be too surprised i guess.

[crusinpsychRN]

Really need to find out root cause of what caused all this. I have seen people really out of control that act like complete idiots. I'm not saying the staff has the right to kick someone when they are down but sometimes people, whether passenger or not, need a good kicking. I'm pretty sure if he would of calmed down it would not of escalated to this level.

 

Doesn't really matter cause. It shouldn't happen.