Grand Princess Coronavirus Discussion (retitled after merger of several topics)

[Reader0108598]

1 minute ago, CruisinCrow said:

 

Here's a link to that information: https://www.cnn.com/asia/live-news/coronavirus-outbreak-03-05-20-intl-hnk/h_43c2b3d29649ed7ad22de73955ccd142

 

I should have provided that in my original post.  I've been trying to include sources so we're not just sharing opinions.

 

Thank you! 🙂

 

[MoniMommy]

26 minutes ago, Farts said:

some of the hospitals serving poorer communities can barely survive. Asking them to stockpile anything is a hard ask

I would think that's where the federal government comes into play. Stockpile to distribute to local medical facilities when needed.

[Pegasus2]

7 minutes ago, npcl said:

the most interesting thing is zero reaction by crew and passengers to people coughing. almost like if no one notices it is not real. kind of ignore and hope no one tests positive after wards.

 

Well what are you going to do? Suspect everyone that coughs and stare them down untill they isolate? That's paranoia. People cough all the time, even when they're not ill.

Edited March 7, 2020 by Pegasus2

[tring]

This says the Maryland people who tested positive on Thursday had been on an Egyptian Nile River Cruise, so were not on Grand Princess.  Also gave an update on Grand Princess this morning.  Not sure what details have been given earlier on this thread - if it is old news I appologise:-

  

https://eu.usatoday.com/story/travel/cruises/2020/03/07/coronavirus-grand-princess-cruise-ship-california/4978565002/

 

Anyone heard anything about the VP's meeting with cruise lines in Miami today - though I realise it is still early over there?

Edited March 7, 2020 by tring

[WonderMan3]

35 minutes ago, CarelessAndConfused said:

 

In the U.S., it takes months for all of the cruise ships to carry the number of passengers that air travel carries in ONE DAY.  And airplanes and airports are quite confined spaces.  Should we ground all air travel?  I honestly don't have an opinion on that or cruising one way or the other.

There is a drastic difference between air travel and cruise travel when it comes to the spread of a virus. On an airplane you are there for a matter of hours (likely on average 3-5 hours), spend most of your time in your seat and have little to no interaction with the majority of people on the plane. On a cruise ship you are on board usually at a minimum of 7 days with the same few thousand people some of whom you may encounter again and again, you are all visiting spaces all over the ship where germs could be spread and then in some cases revisiting some of those spaces again and again like dining rooms, casinos, etc. Because of the extended time onboard a ship it allows for the incubation and emergence of viruses that the limited time on a plane would not allow. On a ship you are also visiting different ports which increase the likelihood of even more germs coming into the ship throughout the duration of the cruise. That’s why it’s a relatively unique situation. The only other situations with large groups of people like this who co-habitate closely and interact frequently for extended periods of time that I can think of would be student dorms. And dorms are an area notorious for the spread of viruses like noro or meningitis like cruise ships are already notorious for the spread of noro. While we all know that colds and viruses can be picked up from flights (I’m sure we’ve all come down with a cold at least once after a flight), I’m not sure I’ve heard of massive outbreaks of viruses related to flights like I have with dorms or cruise ships.

[flyguyjake]

NY Gov declares state of emergency amid 21 new coronavirus cases. 76 total confirmed cases state-wide.

[npcl]

5 minutes ago, Pegasus2 said:

 

Well what are you going to do? Suspect everyone that coughs and stare them down untill they isolate? That's paranoia. People cough all the time, even when they're not ill.

what I would expect is to screen those coughing at no charge, check temps and at least have some idea if it is a known virus.

 

I would not expect zero reaction when no one is coughing at start and 10 to 15 percent by the end.

Edited March 7, 2020 by npcl

[WonderMan3]

5 minutes ago, Pegasus2 said:

 

Well what are you going to do? Suspect everyone that coughs and stare them down untill they isolate? That's paranoia. People cough all the time, even when they're not ill.

 In this emergency situation we are in if someone is seen coughing repeatedly they should be pulled aside by crew and examined by medical staff. (have temperature taken, check glands, etc.) They should then be revisited twice a day for the next few days to see if there is any change. If sickness is identified then they should be confined to their cabin.

[Reader0108598]

6 minutes ago, npcl said:

what I would expect is to screen those coughing at no charge, check temps and at least have some idea if it is a known virus.

I understand where you are coming from really do! They screen someone no fever they come down with it the next day 😞 I Have COPD and try to get to a bathroom to use my rescue inhalor when in public. I don't have the answer I know if I was sick I would stay in my cabin. I promise when my COPD is acting up you cannot catch it. I will remove myself from the area also as not to annoy or worry people. 

Edited March 7, 2020 by Reader0108598

[junglejane]

The meeting between cruise executives and VP Pence is set for 2:45 pm ET.   I suspect it's more show than substantial meeting, as it's also supposed to include Florida's senators and other politicians.  There is also reporting that Pence will announce a plan for the Grand Princess at that time.  

[flyguyjake]

 

[TwoMisfits]

1 minute ago, resistk said:

 

Already happening!  Imagine being quarrantied in Egypt.

 

https://www.upi.com/Top_News/World-News/2020/03/07/Coronavirus-Egypt-quarantines-passengers-from-Nile-cruise-boat/6401583586422/

 

That is now 3 different ships, all with crew affected...

[Pegasus2]

15 minutes ago, npcl said:

what I would expect is to screen those coughing at no charge, check temps and at least have some idea if it is a known virus.

 

13 minutes ago, WonderMan3 said:

 In this emergency situation we are in if someone is seen coughing repeatedly they should be pulled aside by crew and examined by medical staff. (have temperature taken, check glands, etc.) They should then be revisited twice a day for the next few days to see if there is any change. If sickness is identified then they should be confined to their cabin.

 

 

Right, so you're going to have sentries in all parts of the ship. If people cough at dinner they march over and check you out.

Sure people are screened before they board the ship and asked where they have been, that is sensible. They're also asked to report if they feel unwell and that's really all you can do. You could also check them again all once on the voyage. Beyond that and it's not really a holiday is it?

 

I have an old person in my party, they have a dry cough that is pretty persistent. According to you they would send everyone running for the hills and have to be checked every day just incase, it's nuts.

 

Yes, there is suspision. I was in town the other day next to someone who had recently been traveling. There were Chinese students walking around, several people in the coffee shop coughed, I read a newspaper probably 8 other people had read and touched. The guy who served my drink touched the rim of the mug and put the spoon directly on the counter.

 

All these things happened but we can't become paronoid and suspicious about every small thing, Corvid 19 is not Ebola.

 

I will admit i'm potentially looking to cancel an upcoming cruise based on one my party's 'fragility' and the potential to bring infection when I get back. That's also sensible however there is also a chance they could catch corvid at home without going on holiday or get hit by a bus on their way to the shops.

 

Perspective.

Edited March 7, 2020 by Pegasus2

[phil the brit]

2 hours ago, 2wheelin said:

So every ship should have a pallet of masks aboard, along with testing kits, etc? Are all these products produced by snapping ones fingers or clicking your heels?

One of the main reasons there is a shortage of supplies is from all the people who snatch them up just in case—when everyone knows masks are completely wasted on healthy people.

 

We want crew to serve people in the buffet (I agree) but it has bee shown crew are much more likely to be infected than passengers. We believe crew are more sanitary so why would someone then be comfortable with ALL crew wearing masks. Remember, masks are for sick people.

 

Yes they should when they have just had a major problem a month ago, of course they should. Don't tell me they didn't think "what could we do better next time"? Plleeeasee

[Reader0108598]

6 minutes ago, Pegasus2 said:

 

 

 

Right, so you're going to have sentries in all parts of the ship. If people cough at dinner they march over and check you out.

Sure people are screened before they board the ship and asked where they have been, that is sensible. They're also asked to report if they feel unwell and that's really all you can do. You could also check them again all once on the voyage. Beyond that and it's not really a holiday is it?

 

I have an old person in my party, they have a dry cough that is pretty persistent. According to you they would send everyone running for the hills and have to be checked every day just incase, it's nuts.

 

Yes, there is suspision. I was in town the other day next to someone who had recently been traveling. There were Chinese students walking around, several people in the coffee shop coughed, I read a newspaper probably 8 other people had read and touched. The guy who served my drink touched the rim of the mug and put the spoon directly on the counter.

 

All these things happened but we can't become paronoid and suspicious about every small thing, Corvid 19 is not Ebola.

 

I will admit i'm potentially looking to cancel an upcoming cruise based on one my party's 'fragility' and the potential to bring infected people when I get back. That's also sensible.

Love your post there are many reasons for coughing ! 

Edited March 7, 2020 by Reader0108598

[bdojoe]

8 minutes ago, junglejane said:

The meeting between cruise executives and VP Pence is set for 2:45 pm ET.   I suspect it's more show than substantial meeting, as it's also supposed to include Florida's senators and other politicians.  There is also reporting that Pence will announce a plan for the Grand Princess at that time.  

If they have a plan they should tell the people on the grand ASAP - not the time for photo ops.

[ceilidh1]

Just now, bdojoe said:

If they have a plan they should tell the people on the grand ASAP - not the time for photo ops.

I was about to post the same thing. Why in the Hell are they making those poor people on the ship wait to find out from a press conference. Unbelievable!

[caribill]

3 hours ago, cscurlock said:

Does anyone know if Princess has a maintenance fee for when you are quarantined on their ship like NCL?

 

It was not a quarantine, but a few years ago an earthquake in South America meant the disembarkation city airport was closed for days and all airlines had to cancel their flights. Any disembarking passengers could not fly home and there was no way for the next segment's passengers to get to the port.

 

Princess gave passengers on board a choice of disembarking on schedule and being unable to go home or to continue on the ship to a port where an airport was open. Those that chose not to be left in a foreign country with no way to get home were charged a reduced rate by Princess to stay on board.

[ceilidh1]

I can't help wondering how long the passengers on the ship will stand for being "contained" without info. This is is different demographic to Diamond, that seemed to be largely Japanese/older guests. I'm guessing a big proportion of Grand passengers are American and not as likely to take the sit quietly and wait approach?

[2wheelin]

11 minutes ago, phil the brit said:

 

Yes they should when they have just had a major problem a month ago, of course they should. Don't tell me they didn't think "what could we do better next time"? Plleeeasee

You seem to think no changes have been made. Believe me changes have been made. How many ships do you think there are worldwide, carrying how many passengers and crew? You want all of them to have pallets of masks aboard when there is already a shortage created by stupid people hoarding them. And masks are single use so each person requires multiples. I’m sure cruise ships now have masks onboard for ILL and vulnerable people.

[need2cruisesoon]

I suspect this will be the Grands last voyage, I can't see how Princess would continue on with this old ship.

 

Maybe better to cut your losses and mothball this ship as the stigma of this episode will remain etched with many future cruisers.

[kathy49]

4 minutes ago, ceilidh1 said:

I can't help wondering how long the passengers on the ship will stand for being "contained" without info. This is is different demographic to Diamond, that seemed to be largely Japanese/older guests. I'm guessing a big proportion of Grand passengers are American and not as likely to take the sit quietly and wait approach?

you make a good point in the different population aboard....they told passengers per a quote above that they are working on their travel plans home...??? I think all of us that followed DP know all of these people need at best to self quarantine once home but many will no doubt be getting on planes.

[flyguyjake]

Update from Grand Captain you can listen

 

 

[bluesea321]

From a passenger now on the Grand.  Tragic.

 

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-cruise-ship-cancer/cancer-patient-aboard-coronavirus-stalled-cruise-faces-possible-chemotherapy-delay-idUSKBN20U083

[flyguyjake]

Just now, bluesea321 said:

From a passenger now on the Grand.  Tragic.

 

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-cruise-ship-cancer/cancer-patient-aboard-coronavirus-stalled-cruise-faces-possible-chemotherapy-delay-idUSKBN20U083

Perhaps this is the person they took off the ship already? I sure hope so.

I think they also took a couple off?

Edited March 7, 2020 by flyguyjake