Pushka Posted April 13, 2020 #76 Share Posted April 13, 2020 17 minutes ago, lyndarra said: When I was young(er) we had mobile x-ray units everywhere. Yes - that rings a bell. Knowing what we know now about XRays one can just hope they knew exactly what they were exposing us to. It's a bit like when we were at school, we were taught that asbestos was the wonder building material. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare lyndarra Posted April 13, 2020 #77 Share Posted April 13, 2020 Just now, Pushka said: Yes - that rings a bell. Knowing what we know now about XRays one can just hope they knew exactly what they were exposing us to. It's a bit like when we were at school, we were taught that asbestos was the wonder building material. I thought the stuff was great when I threw bits in a fire and waited for it to explode. That was fun when it wasn't near cracker night when you could buy real bungers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Big_M Posted April 13, 2020 #78 Share Posted April 13, 2020 16 hours ago, Porky55 said: Each Media broadcaster is telling their own story - I want to believe the uplifting story - Two different stories, but there are lots more and these are the ones I focus on - the positive ones!!! The vaccine will happen, sooner rather than later 👍 Coronavirus vaccine could be ready by September Stefan Mitchell Saturday, 11 April 2020 4:48 pm And: Australian scientists have begun injecting ferrets with two potential vaccines. It is the first comprehensive pre-clinical trial to move to the animal testing stage, and the researchers say they hope to move to the human testing stage by the end of April. They're telling the same story though. There's research happening, and a result "could" happen... but it may not either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Porky55 Posted April 13, 2020 #79 Share Posted April 13, 2020 (edited) 8 hours ago, The_Big_M said: They're telling the same story though. There's research happening, and a result "could" happen... but it may not either. I’m going with the could happen - and preferably will. The alternative is not an option Id even like to contemplate. This isn’t SARS or MERS - it’s way more deadly!! 😳 Edited April 13, 2020 by Porky55 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
By The Bay Posted April 13, 2020 #80 Share Posted April 13, 2020 52 minutes ago, Porky55 said: I’m going with the could happen - and preferably will. The alternative is not an option Id even like to contemplate. This isn’t SARS or MERS - it’s way more deadly!! 😳 Interesting that you say that. I googled and found the following. Compared to COVID-19, with a mortality rate of 3.4%, the other two viruses mentioned are: SARS 15% MERS 34.4% Source 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleFish1976 Posted April 13, 2020 #81 Share Posted April 13, 2020 Just now, By The Bay said: Interesting that you say that. I googled and found the following. Compared to COVID-19, with a mortality rate of 3.4%, the other two viruses mentioned are: SARS 15% MERS 34.4% Source Covid-19/coronavirus is more easily transmitted between people, so coupled with a death rate between 1 and possibly up to 8% or more, will and is, leading to more deaths. The death rate of covid-19 will vary depending on the case load in any location at a given point in time. So ultimately, covid-19 will be much more deadly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pushka Posted April 13, 2020 #82 Share Posted April 13, 2020 The death rate on Ruby Princess is around 3%. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare MicCanberra Posted April 13, 2020 #83 Share Posted April 13, 2020 30 minutes ago, Pushka said: The death rate on Ruby Princess is around 3%. How is that possible with 2700 pax and 1700 crew, and 15 deaths, more like 0.3% Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pushka Posted April 13, 2020 #84 Share Posted April 13, 2020 (edited) 9 minutes ago, MicCanberra said: How is that possible with 2700 pax and 1700 crew, and 15 deaths, more like 0.3% The death rate is always calculated as the number of deaths / number of infections expressed as a percentage. And there are 18 deaths. Several over the weekend. Otherwise the death rate of any infection would be infinitesimal as it would use total population as the denominator. Edited April 13, 2020 by Pushka Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare MicCanberra Posted April 14, 2020 #85 Share Posted April 14, 2020 23 minutes ago, Pushka said: The death rate is always calculated as the number of deaths / number of infections expressed as a percentage. And there are 18 deaths. Several over the weekend. Otherwise the death rate of any infection would be infinitesimal as it would use total population as the denominator. Wow, another 3 over the weekend, perhaps the Ruby should be sold off to P&O instead of the Golden. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aus Traveller Posted April 14, 2020 #86 Share Posted April 14, 2020 21 hours ago, Pushka said: Yes - that rings a bell. Knowing what we know now about XRays one can just hope they knew exactly what they were exposing us to. I think those mobile X-ray vans were checking for TB. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
possum52 Posted April 14, 2020 #87 Share Posted April 14, 2020 16 minutes ago, Aus Traveller said: I think those mobile X-ray vans were checking for TB. Yes they were Aus Traveller. Leigh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pushka Posted April 14, 2020 #88 Share Posted April 14, 2020 32 minutes ago, MicCanberra said: Wow, another 3 over the weekend, perhaps the Ruby should be sold off to P&O instead of the Golden. It is almost like the Covid on board this ship seems much more virulent - deadly - than other covid hot spots. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare OzKiwiJJ Posted April 14, 2020 #89 Share Posted April 14, 2020 9 minutes ago, Pushka said: It is almost like the Covid on board this ship seems much more virulent - deadly - than other covid hot spots. No, I don't think so, the numbers are very similar to Diamond but there have been a few more deaths from Ruby, which could be attributed to one of two things: older demographic in general, and/or older Australians aren't as healthy as older Japanese. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare MMDown Under Posted April 14, 2020 #90 Share Posted April 14, 2020 40 minutes ago, Aus Traveller said: I think those mobile X-ray vans were checking for TB. When my great uncle got TB, we had to all go up to Brisbane TB Clinic for x-rays. He was put in to hospital and died not long after. My great aunt said he died of a broken heart, as they had never been separated. The doctors said his death was unexpected. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare lyndarra Posted April 14, 2020 #91 Share Posted April 14, 2020 (edited) 37 minutes ago, MMDown Under said: When my great uncle got TB, we had to all go up to Brisbane TB Clinic for x-rays. He was put in to hospital and died not long after. My great aunt said he died of a broken heart, as they had never been separated. The doctors said his death was unexpected. My wife's uncle died just before the end of the Great War. Family oral history was that he was gassed. My own research found that he enlisted twice during the war and was discharged twice on medical grounds. He wasn't gassed, he had consumption - TB. Edited April 14, 2020 by lyndarra Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Porky55 Posted April 14, 2020 #92 Share Posted April 14, 2020 (edited) 5 hours ago, By The Bay said: Interesting that you say that. I googled and found the following. Compared to COVID-19, with a mortality rate of 3.4%, the other two viruses mentioned are: SARS 15% MERS 34.4% Source It’s amazing what you can find on Google - because these are the figures I was basing my comments on (and why I still believe that there will be a vaccine for Covid19): (we both obviously have far too much spare time 🙄) Just checked the link you have put in and we have actually gotten our information from the same site. These viruses are all about numbers - and if that is taken into account, this one is by far the worst. That is why I think (hope ) there will be a vaccine. 😔 SARS summary: Pathogen: SARS-CoV Total number of cases: 8,439, 21% of which developed in healthcare workers Number of cases in the United States: 73 Total number of deaths: 812 Case fatality rate: 9.6% Mode of transmission: Droplets produced by coughing, sneezing, talking, or breathing Mean incubation period: 5 days Key symptoms: A cough (dry at first), a fever, and diarrhea in the first or second week of illness, or both At risk groups: People with underlying medical conditions Treatment: No specific treatment Vaccine: No vaccine MERS summary: Pathogen: MERS-CoV Total number of cases: 2,519 Number of cases in the U.S.: 2 Total number of deaths: 866 Case fatality rate: 34.3% Mode of transmission: Droplets from person to person, unclear from camels to humans Key symptoms: A fever, a cough, shortness of breath At risk groups: Men above the age of 60, particularly those with underlying medical conditions such as diabetes, high blood pressure, and kidney failure Treatment: No specific treatment Vaccine: No vaccine COVID-19 summary, as of April 9, 2020: Pathogen: SARS-CoV-2 Total number of cases: 1,490,790 Number of cases in the U.S.: 432,438 Total number of deaths: 88,982 Case fatality rate: 1.38% to 3.4% Mode of transmission: Droplets produced by coughing, sneezing, or talking, limited evidence of other routes Mean incubation period: 5 days Key symptoms: A fever, a dry cough, shortness of breath At risk groups: Adults aged 65 and over, and people of all ages with underlying medical conditions Treatment: No specific treatment, although several candidate drugs are undergoing testing Vaccine: No vaccine, although several candidate vaccines are in development Edited April 14, 2020 by Porky55 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ondine Posted April 14, 2020 #93 Share Posted April 14, 2020 4 hours ago, MicCanberra said: Wow, another 3 over the weekend, perhaps the Ruby should be sold off to P&O instead of the Golden. Maybe instead of the Star Princess which is supposed to move over in 2021. Golden will probably just go to Singapore and then will be ready when sailing resumes as Pacific Adventure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aus Traveller Posted April 14, 2020 #94 Share Posted April 14, 2020 Today I heard about a young Queensland man who has been in Mexico. Before leaving there he spent three weeks in quarantine, then on arrival in Sydney, he spent another two weeks. It was too difficult to get a flight from Sydney to Brisbane so he is travelling by train but the train isn't allowed to cross the border. His parents have passes to drive across into NSW to pick up their son and return to Queensland, where he will have to undergo another 14 days' quarantine - a total of seven weeks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare MMDown Under Posted April 18, 2020 #95 Share Posted April 18, 2020 On 4/14/2020 at 5:03 PM, Aus Traveller said: Today I heard about a young Queensland man who has been in Mexico. Before leaving there he spent three weeks in quarantine, then on arrival in Sydney, he spent another two weeks. It was too difficult to get a flight from Sydney to Brisbane so he is travelling by train but the train isn't allowed to cross the border. His parents have passes to drive across into NSW to pick up their son and return to Queensland, where he will have to undergo another 14 days' quarantine - a total of seven weeks. That has to be a record for period in quarantine. No doubt his parents will be happy to have him home. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aus Traveller Posted April 18, 2020 #96 Share Posted April 18, 2020 On 4/14/2020 at 5:03 PM, Aus Traveller said: Today I heard about a young Queensland man who has been in Mexico. Before leaving there he spent three weeks in quarantine, then on arrival in Sydney, he spent another two weeks. It was too difficult to get a flight from Sydney to Brisbane so he is travelling by train but the train isn't allowed to cross the border. His parents have passes to drive across into NSW to pick up their son and return to Queensland, where he will have to undergo another 14 days' quarantine - a total of seven weeks. Good news about this young Queensland man. When his parents drove into northern NSW to collect him, they were allowed to cross back into Queensland and he didn't have to go into quarantine again. In a sensible decision, it was decided that the five weeks he has already done were enough. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare MicCanberra Posted April 18, 2020 #97 Share Posted April 18, 2020 Good news. I think in some instances, it should be a case by case basis. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pushka Posted April 18, 2020 #98 Share Posted April 18, 2020 40 minutes ago, MicCanberra said: Good news. I think in some instances, it should be a case by case basis. The risk is that he was exposed to the virus after being released from Sydney quarantine before getting back to Brisbane. Once a few states decided on this border control then really there's no thought to making an exception Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aus Traveller Posted April 18, 2020 #99 Share Posted April 18, 2020 13 minutes ago, Pushka said: The risk is that he was exposed to the virus after being released from Sydney quarantine before getting back to Brisbane. Once a few states decided on this border control then really there's no thought to making an exception I agree with your comment. I was surprised the man involved was allowed into Queensland without more quarantine. Anyway, all's good. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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