Convince me.

[clo]

1 hour ago, Rob the Cruiser said:

we have 20+ years of cruising left.

Or some other kinds of travel.

[DeanoNorthPerth]

Don’t think I’ve ever said anything about these measures being in place “indefinitely “. I agree with you pinotlover. The social impact of it going on too long is disastrous.

if we have a difference of opinion (and I’m not sure we have much), it’s in how long these measures can remain. They are all we have at the moment however. They should stay in place long enough to flatten the curve (and so allow the medical system to cope) but I agree with you wholeheartedly - the effects on society are immense and so at the earliest time possible, they should be relaxed.

Edited April 13, 2020 by DeanoNorthPerth

[deadzone1003]

14 hours ago, Paulchili said:

Is that all? Just exactly what kind of schools do you envision without teachers and staff?

Somehow, Sweden's primary  schools are operating like normal.  Shouldn't each state's head of education look into that?  I don't think they are operating online schools like some of the colleges.  Brazil's primary schools are operating normally.  It is more of a question of how to protect the most-at-risk, not locking everyone up in their residences to protect them.  Vast majority of the population really do not need protection.  They should go back to work before there are no jobs to go back to.  This will be my last entry for this thread.  It seems that CC have already lock up one of the thread which I was active in and deleted some of my entries in another thread.  Don't want to have this thread locked up or entries deleted.  See some of you on other threads.

[Paulchili]

47 minutes ago, deadzone1003 said:

Brazil's primary schools are operating normally. 

Brazil also has the most COVID cases in S America (more than triple the next country) and I am sure it will get much worse before it gets better - maybe they should re-think their philosophy

 

48 minutes ago, deadzone1003 said:

Somehow, Sweden's primary  schools are operating like normal

Maybe they were much better prepared than we were. Look at how well countries like S. Korea. Taiwan, Singapore and some others have handled this epidemic compared to us. Hence we cannot compare ourselves to Sweden or other countries than handled this much better than we did - we are not in the same position as yet.

Even Wuhan itself is now out of lock down - can we do that now?

[jonthomas]

I doubt Brazil was better prepared. NO one was prepared. All are doing the best they can.

Under communist/dictatorial /socialist  govts it is much easier to tell people what to do and those who criticize better beware of the consequences.

Not so easy to tell Americans what to do. We will criticize any decision to death. As it is  our right to do so.  That right can stand in the way of decision making. 

It can be paralyzing. No matter what decision is made it will be the wrong one according to many. 

Edited April 13, 2020 by jonthomas
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[jonthomas]

I am really off my own topic. 

[Paulchili]

4 minutes ago, jonthomas said:

Under communist/dictatorial /socialist  govts it is much easier to tell people what to do and those who criticize better beware of the consequences.

You are only partially correct. S. Korea, Taiwan and Singapore (mostly) are not any of the types of governments you listed above and have done very well.

You are also right in that we are OT. Back to the topic now.🙂

[jonthomas]

I needed to include that it is also easier in much smaller countries. Both in area and pop. 

 

Yeah ok, back to topic. LoL

[deadzone1003]

50 minutes ago, Paulchili said:

Brazil also has the most COVID cases in S America (more than triple the next country) and I am sure it will get much worse before it gets better - maybe they should re-think their philosophy

 

Maybe they were much better prepared than we were. Look at how well countries like S. Korea. Taiwan, Singapore and some others have handled this epidemic compared to us. Hence we cannot compare ourselves to Sweden or other countries than handled this much better than we did - we are not in the same position as yet.

Even Wuhan itself is now out of lock down - can we do that now?

I thought my last entry was going to be the last, but I couldn't let Paul give you misinformation.  Yes, Brazil has the most Wuhan virus cases in South America.  Yes, 3 time more than the next country.  But, Paul didn't tell you that the country had only 1/10 of the population of Brazil.  (That country should be either Ecuador or Chile).  We should be asking how other countries are succeeding and if we can replicate that effort or protocol.  The reason for the lockdown is so that the disease do not overwhelm our hospital system.  The logical goal is to lockdown those people who are candidates for the ICU and let the others get back to work.  Some of those who go back to work will get sick with the virus, but they are the prime candidates who are not going to die or get to the ICU. 

[ORV]

How bout Deadzone, Susie, Pinot and other liked minded individuals agree to be exposed, and if they need hospitalization it NOT be provided, only quarantine. If they survive then they've helped the herd immunity, or not, if they don't survive then they've sacrificed themselves for the greater good. 

 

You guys want to sign up under those terms? I don't. 

 

Oh, DZ, you really don't understand why your posts get deleted and threads locked? For someone as bright as you think you are it shouldn't be too hard to figure out. 

[LHT28]

OMG

 How do you know who will get it & who will not

Young  healthy people are  dying from it

 

They are closing food processing  plants  where people have the virus

People are handling the food you eat   so how do you know  if you may catch it from infected meat/poultry/fish products ??

 

where does it end

[Paulchili]

33 minutes ago, deadzone1003 said:

but I couldn't let Paul give you misinformation.  Yes, Brazil has the most Wuhan virus cases in South America.  Yes, 3 time more than the next country.  But, Paul didn't tell you that the country had only 1/10 of the population of Brazil.  (That country should be either Ecuador or Chile).

Yes, that is true today but the final chapter for Brazil has not been written yet.

Lest we forget, as of March 14, 2020 (less than a month ago) US had only TEN deaths/day - look at what we have today. Much of it because of our late response to strict social distancing (like Brazil is doing now). Places that started early (Seattle, SF) are doing much better.

Also, I remember what a big fan of hydroxy-Chloroquin you are. Two countries (Brazil and Sweden) have now stopped their clinical trials due to high toxicity, side effects and deaths (Google it if you wish)

BTW - as for population comparisons - we now have 7 times the number of cases reported in China (and seven times the deaths) and China  has 4 times our population  - think about that.

Edited April 13, 2020 by Paulchili

[Paulchili]

5 minutes ago, LHT28 said:

Young  healthy people are  dying from it

A sailor on USS TD just died of COVID - I suspect he was much younger and healthier than I am.

[clo]

On 4/11/2020 at 4:22 PM, LHT28 said:

I would think if  they are still closed   you should be refunded ??

They have a link online to contact them

http://en.chateauversailles.fr/contact-us

 

Turns out that Bob had already contacted them and got the CC credit today. YAY Bob.

[TrulyBlonde]

I found this graph today which really puts it into perspective based on population of countries. April 11, 2020

 

Edited April 13, 2020 by TrulyBlonde

[Hawaiidan]

1 hour ago, Paulchili said:

- as for population comparisons - we now have 7 times the number of cases reported in China (and seven times the deaths) and China  has 4 times our population  - think about that.

What many miss is that key word "reported"   Trusting in what china says is a very dangerous road to take..   China denied the disease even existed in December..  China denied CDC and western  help and as recent as  this week denied US medical researchers to any involvement   What China says is "propaganda" designed to serve china !

Too some embassy people reported that the Chinese government recently took delivery of 60,000 cremation urns.... Any guess....maybe plant roses in?   

 China is a communist dictatorship  who will say anything to win........Trusting  a government like that  is a mistake that Nevil Chamberlain made in 1939..

[Paulchili]

34 minutes ago, TrulyBlonde said:

I found this graph today which really puts it into perspective based on population of countries. April 11, 2020

 

An interesting graph. Let's hope it stays that way for us.

[Paulchili]

22 minutes ago, Hawaiidan said:

What many miss is that key word "reported"   Trusting in what china says is a very dangerous road to take.

That is very true.

This coin has another side to it. We have absolutely no idea of how many cases we actually have as we rank very low (44th last time I heard) in number of tests/mill of population. That could be considered as under counting as well.

Edited April 13, 2020 by Paulchili

[TrulyBlonde]

8 minutes ago, Hawaiidan said:

What many miss is that key word "reported"   Trusting in what china says is a very dangerous road to take..   China denied the disease even existed in December..  China denied CDC and western  help and as recent as  this week denied US medical researchers to any involvement   What China says is "propaganda" designed to serve china !

Too some embassy people reported that the Chinese government recently took delivery of 60,000 cremation urns.... Any guess....maybe plant roses in?   

 China is a communist dictatorship  who will say anything to win........Trusting  a government like that  is a mistake that Nevil Chamberlain made in 1939..

and don't forget about China centric WHO.

[sunlover12]

3 minutes ago, Hawaiidan said:

What many miss is that key word "reported"   Trusting in what china says is a very dangerous road to take..   China denied the disease even existed in December..  

I agree completely.  I do not trust for one minute what China is reporting.  There is no way that the US has 7 times the number of cases as China.  Censorship reigns in China. The government is manipulative and controlling.  For the number of deaths and new cases to drop off suddenly like they would like the world to believe is extremely unlikely.  How could it be if their incinerators have been running constantly?

[clo]

9 minutes ago, sunlover12 said:

I agree completely.  I do not trust for one minute what China is reporting.  There is no way that the US has 7 times the number of cases as China.  Censorship reigns in China. The government is manipulative and controlling.  For the number of deaths and new cases to drop off suddenly like they would like the world to believe is extremely unlikely.  How could it be if their incinerators have been running constantly?

Don't forget the cruise ship that was kept from docking in SF to keep the numbers down. I wouldn't say the US is as pure as the driven snow.

[jonthomas]

Yeah hard to let this go. 

 

You guys were supposed to convince me to cancel my new years cruise on the Riviera for Dec/Jan for 2020.

Well the price of it has come down, instead of cancelling I now have a new invoice for it. What a fool am I?

[Hawaiidan]

15 minutes ago, clo said:

Don't forget the cruise ship that was kept from docking in SF to keep the numbers down. I wouldn't say the US is as pure as the driven snow.

The number on the ship was reported....that is why the princess ship was kept in " isolation"  so that the very vulnerable  population in San Fran and their  huge homeless population would not become a giant breeding ground......  Ya,  it was a pretty honest and transparent action. by the US. if you look at it honestly.......come on.

[clo]

2 minutes ago, Hawaiidan said:

The number on the ship was reported....that is why the princess ship was kept in " isolation"  so that the very vulnerable  population in San Fran and their  huge homeless population would not become a giant breeding ground......  Ya,  it was a pretty honest and transparent action. by the US. if you look at it honestly.......come on.

I like the numbers being where they are': Trump remarks on Grand Princess passengers – video

 

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/video/2020/mar/07/i-like-the-numbers-being-where-they-are-trump-video

[RJB]

54 minutes ago, Paulchili said:

That is very true.

This coin has another side to it. We have absolutely no idea of how many cases we actually have as we rank very low (44th last time I heard) in number of tests/mill of population. That could be considered as under counting as well.

A test is just that.  We know who is sick and can very well count those people.  Can't very well hide them in the closet, can we?   Have a very good idea of the numbers.