Are vaccines the light at the end of the tunnel?

[nocl]

5 hours ago, Fouremco said:

And the author of the op ed is a surgeon, not an epidemiologist, immunologist, virologist or other medical specialist more commonly associated with discussions on natural immunity.

I believe the author is the same fellow that on CNBC last March said the people needed to be ready for a rough 3 months.

[emmas gran]

Just read this on BBC, sorry unable to post the video of them arriving for the vaccine!!

 

 

Two women aged 34 and 44 attempted to pass as over-65s in Florida in order to jump the queue and receive their Covid-19 vaccines ahead of schedule, US authorities have said.

The two women had apparently managed to secure one dose of a Covid-19 vaccine already as they had cards from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

But they were detected by officials and reprimanded when they turned up at a vaccination centre looking for their second dose.

[GerScot]

23 minutes ago, emmas gran said:

Just read this on BBC, sorry unable to post the video of them arriving for the vaccine!!

 

 

Two women aged 34 and 44 attempted to pass as over-65s in Florida in order to jump the queue and receive their Covid-19 vaccines ahead of schedule, US authorities have said.

The two women had apparently managed to secure one dose of a Covid-19 vaccine already as they had cards from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

But they were detected by officials and reprimanded when they turned up at a vaccination centre looking for their second dose.

Saw that it was hilarious! No way should they have ever been taken for over 65's !!!

[ECCruise]

9 hours ago, nocl said:

I believe the author is the same fellow that on CNBC last March said the people needed to be ready for a rough 3 months.

Yes.  And early on, was skeptical about mask usage (his views, like most, changed). 

 

It is only the opinion of one surgeon (albeit one who gets lots of air time).  I would listen to his input, but put no more faith on his conclusions than any of dozens of other medical professionals that have a different approach.

[shiphound]

19 hours ago, whirlybird3 said:

Wow!  That is a lot of shots.  We are having difficulty in organizing and giving out two shots, I can't imagine organizing four shots to millions of people. 

We always give shots to millions of people.  I got allergy shots for years once every couple of weeks or so and so do millions of others.  We give millions of flu shots every year, we give millions of shingles shots every year.  Used to get flu shots in my office when I was still working.  Had someone come in and probably gave 100 or them in an hour or two.  The problem this year is (1) ramping up production of the vaccine and (2) some of the vaccines need special storage.  The result is that shots are not being given the way they normally are.  This will change.

[shiphound]

15 hours ago, palamoh said:

Not trying to interfere with all the science everyone is discussing here.  Just noted that Crystal Cruise lines just announced Vaccine to required for all 2021 sailings.  Believe more Cruise Lines will follow same requirement very soon.

Cruise lines will not have a choice.  By summer, I doubt any foreign country will allow people in without a vaccine.  

[TeeRick]

1 hour ago, emmas gran said:

Just read this on BBC, sorry unable to post the video of them arriving for the vaccine!!

 

 

Two women aged 34 and 44 attempted to pass as over-65s in Florida in order to jump the queue and receive their Covid-19 vaccines ahead of schedule, US authorities have said.

The two women had apparently managed to secure one dose of a Covid-19 vaccine already as they had cards from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

But they were detected by officials and reprimanded when they turned up at a vaccination centre looking for their second dose.

Yes I saw the news article and video too.  Very funny.  In my day the young people used to get fake id's and fake their appearance to buy liquor and get into nightclubs.  Now they fake their age to get a COVID vaccine.  Such a statement on our society today!

[TeeRick]

16 hours ago, palamoh said:

Not trying to interfere with all the science everyone is discussing here.  Just noted that Crystal Cruise lines just announced Vaccine to required for all 2021 sailings.  Believe more Cruise Lines will follow same requirement very soon.

palamoh- please feel comfortable posting anything cruise/vaccine related on this thread.  It is not just about science but I'm sure it feels that way sometimes.  Apologies. Some of us do get carried away (me among them) but please feel free to knock us in the back of the head and bring us back to the true purpose of this thread which is to figure out how/if vaccines will be required and get us cruising again.  And we scientists and MD's here are trying to remember to keep our explanations at a basic level. I have been trying to do that.  

 

As for Crystal it is really a good decision and I truly believe that almost every cruise line will follow and very soon.  A major cruise company (RCG) announced that their crew will be required to be vaccinated.  

[mayleeman]

3 hours ago, shiphound said:

The result is that shots are not being given the way they normally are. 

 

I remember people talking about how the Covid vaccine waiting time (15 minutes?), plus social distancing, made capacity for mass vaccinations more problematic.

 

This is not just for @shiphound but is a question raised by his point quoted above--will the vaccine procedures become as simple as allergy and flu shots? We have discussed how Covid vax repitition (boosters) may become the new normal, but what factors convince the experts to be comfortable in advising that people can get the shot and leave relatively quickly?  Is there a standard statistical incidence threshhold for waiting for possible side effects?

Edited February 20, 2021 by mayleeman

[NMTraveller]

10 minutes ago, mayleeman said:

 

I remember people talking about how the Covid vaccine waiting time (15 minutes?), plus social distancing, made capacity for mass vaccinations more problematic.

 

This is not just for @shiphound but is a question raised by his point quoted above--will the vaccine procedures become as simple as allergy and flu shots? We have discussed how Covid vax repitition (boosters) may become the new normal, but what factors convince the experts to be comfortable in advising that people can get the shot and leave relatively quickly?  Is there a standard statistical incidence threshhold for waiting for possible side effects?

The 15 minute time has been around for years and years.  I used to get an allergy shot every month.

[LGW59]

8 minutes ago, NMTraveller said:

The 15 minute time has been around for years and years.  I used to get an allergy shot every month.

I get a flu and pneumonia shot every year, have never had to wait 15 minutes after

[markeb]

1 minute ago, LGW59 said:

I get a flu and pneumonia shot every year, have never had to wait 15 minutes after

 

It's fairly standard, but sometimes ignored, procedure. Arguably they should be having you wait as the biggest risk of a severe allergic reaction is in those first 15 minutes.

[Charles4515]

21 minutes ago, LGW59 said:

I get a flu and pneumonia shot every year, have never had to wait 15 minutes after

 

For years they told me to wait 15 minutes after a flu shot. In more recent years a couple of times they didn't tell me to wait. I think they are supposed to have you wait but some places forget to.

Edited February 20, 2021 by Charles4515

[LGW59]

Just now, Charles4515 said:

 

For years they told me to wait 15 minutes after a flu shot. in more recent years a couple of times they didn't tell me to wait. I think they are supposed to have you wait but some places forget to.

Perhaps it is because I always get both shots in my office, provided by our firm.  I did get them though this fall at a local CVS, they did not ask me to wait.

[TeeRick]

47 minutes ago, mayleeman said:

 

I remember people talking about how the Covid vaccine waiting time (15 minutes?), plus social distancing, made capacity for mass vaccinations more problematic.

 

This is not just for @shiphound but is a question raised by his point quoted above--will the vaccine procedures become as simple as allergy and flu shots? We have discussed how Covid vax repitition (boosters) may become the new normal, but what factors convince the experts to be comfortable in advising that people can get the shot and leave relatively quickly?  Is there a standard statistical incidence threshhold for waiting for possible side effects?

If you are talking about booster shots once a year then it should be clear from who had a problem the first time around - with the caveat that it is the same type of vaccine (like mRNA) that you had before.

[Charles4515]

2 minutes ago, LGW59 said:

Perhaps it is because I always get both shots in my office, provided by our firm.  I did get them though this fall at a local CVS, they did not ask me to wait.

 

I also got my flu shot at CVS this year and they did not ask me to wait. My thinking then was that because of Covid they wanted me out of there. They only had a couple of chairs distanced. At the supermarket pharmacy where I sometimes got my flu shots they would tell I should stay in the store 15 minutes.

[jagoffee]

A lot of conflicting facts and opinions are expressed on social media and reported by various news agencies.  Some true and some not.  
 

We all seem to focus on the negative.  We also like to turn things that may be true (because they have not be tested) into they are true.
 

IMO, what has been accomplished in amazing.  Last year at this time, we had not even had our 20th confirmed case of Covid in the US.  In less than a year, we have conducted 344 million tests.  Tests are readily available. You can get a test almost anywhere.

 

Several vaccines have already been developed and obtained FDA’s  EUA. As of yesterday 60 million shots have been administered across the U.S.  They are being administered at a rate of 1.5 million shots a day.  The producers of the vaccines are ramping up production and additional vaccines are awaiting approval.  Hopefully we can get to the 2 million shots a day, with some on them only requiring a single dose.  As the shots are administered to those 65 years and older, the actually deaths confirmed and probable for Covid should drop dramatically. (Since over 70% deaths counted are in the group).  At some point, vaccine shots may be as available as tests.

 

IMO it is a miracle.

 

We must continue to be caution, but progressing in continuing.

Edited February 20, 2021 by jagoffee

[TeeRick]

10 minutes ago, jagoffee said:

A lot of conflicting facts and opinions are expressed on social media and reported by various news agencies.  Some true and some not.  
 

We all seem to focus on the negative.  We also like to turn things that may be true (because they have not be tested) into they are true.
 

IMO, what has been accomplished in amazing.  Last year at this time, we had not even had our 20th confirmed case of Covid in the US.  In less than a year, we have conducted 344 million tests.  Tests are readily available. You can get a test almost anywhere.

 

Several vaccines have already been developed and obtained FDA’s  EUA. As of yesterday 60 million shots have been administered across the U.S.  They are being administered at a rate of 1.5 million shots a day.  The producers of the vaccines are ramping up production and additional vaccines are awaiting approval.  Hopefully we can get to the 2 million shots a day, with some on them only requiring a single dose.  As the shots are administered to those 65 years and older, the actually deaths confirmed and probable for Covid should drop dramatically. (Since over 70% deaths counted are in the group).  At some point, vaccine shots may be as available as tests.

 

IMO it is a miracle.

 

We must continue to be caution, but progressing in continuing.

I completely agree.  It is astounding and outstanding.  Not so much a miracle but a whole lot of dedicated doctor's, scientists, and people (like those in the clinical trials).  And health and regulatory officials.  But there will always be others who love to find or focus on anything negative- or misinform or misrepresent based on whatever narrative they want to believe.

[Arizona Wildcat]

1 hour ago, jagoffee said:

A lot of conflicting facts and opinions are expressed on social media and reported by various news agencies.  Some true and some not.  
 

We all seem to focus on the negative.  We also like to turn things that may be true (because they have not be tested) into they are true.
 

IMO, what has been accomplished in amazing.  Last year at this time, we had not even had our 20th confirmed case of Covid in the US.  In less than a year, we have conducted 344 million tests.  Tests are readily available. You can get a test almost anywhere.

 

Several vaccines have already been developed and obtained FDA’s  EUA. As of yesterday 60 million shots have been administered across the U.S.  They are being administered at a rate of 1.5 million shots a day.  The producers of the vaccines are ramping up production and additional vaccines are awaiting approval.  Hopefully we can get to the 2 million shots a day, with some on them only requiring a single dose.  As the shots are administered to those 65 years and older, the actually deaths confirmed and probable for Covid should drop dramatically. (Since over 70% deaths counted are in the group).  At some point, vaccine shots may be as available as tests.

 

IMO it is a miracle.

 

We must continue to be caution, but progressing in continuing.

We certainly are progressing in both the number of people vaccinated and learning about treatment.  In Arizona deaths are significantly declining, but hospitalizations of those under 40 is increasing as a percentage of those hospitalized.

We also have a long way to go in education about the new vaccine.  Have several neighbors in their 80s who will not consider being vaccinated.  The reason is similar for all of them - a bad reaction to the vaccination, for example scarlet fever where the vaccine gave you a mild case of the disease or a fear of thermisol (Mercury) in the vaccine.  They at this point will not consider vaccines are different today than the 1950s.

[mimbecky]

Education yes, because of all the skepticism out there.  The hot topic in my circles is whether to have young adult women vaccinated.  A lot of fear about infertility being talked about.....My sister in law sent me a video about it.

I have a young adult daughter but I would assume Fauci and others who are at the front lines have daughters also and wouldn't be pushing it without feeling confident it is a bogus claim.

 

M

 

 

[middlehaitch]

Didn't know where to post this....

Hooray, America has joined other first world/wealthier countries  in the WHO's COVAX efforts to provide money and vaccines to less wealthy countries. 

 

This may be a way forward for crew vaccinations.

 

(sorry no link but it is on most news sites, haven't checked if the COVAX site has been updated yet)

 

Cheers, h.

[nocl]

4 hours ago, mayleeman said:

 

I remember people talking about how the Covid vaccine waiting time (15 minutes?), plus social distancing, made capacity for mass vaccinations more problematic.

 

This is not just for @shiphound but is a question raised by his point quoted above--will the vaccine procedures become as simple as allergy and flu shots? We have discussed how Covid vax repitition (boosters) may become the new normal, but what factors convince the experts to be comfortable in advising that people can get the shot and leave relatively quickly?  Is there a standard statistical incidence threshhold for waiting for possible side effects?

technically when you get any vaccine you are supposed to remain for 15 minutes. 

[nocl]

51 minutes ago, mimbecky said:

Education yes, because of all the skepticism out there.  The hot topic in my circles is whether to have young adult women vaccinated.  A lot of fear about infertility being talked about.....My sister in law sent me a video about it.

I have a young adult daughter but I would assume Fauci and others who are at the front lines have daughters also and wouldn't be pushing it without feeling confident it is a bogus claim.

 

M

 

 

And who made the video? The vaccine would have gone studies looking at any fertility impacts prior to even phase 1 studies.

 

Any drug or vaccine also goes through genotoxicity studies. It has been a requirement since Thalidomide.

 

I consider those rumors to be any anti vax approach. Not unlike the tracking chip conspiracy, etc.

[D C]

2 hours ago, nocl said:

And who made the video? The vaccine would have gone studies looking at any fertility impacts prior to even phase 1 studies.

 

Any drug or vaccine also goes through genotoxicity studies. It has been a requirement since Thalidomide.

 

I consider those rumors to be any anti vax approach. Not unlike the tracking chip conspiracy, etc.

My son's fiancé is anti-vax, but claims that she's not.  She's clinging to the fertility thing as a reason to not get it.   As you suggested, it's baseless anti-vax propaganda.  

[LGW59]

3 minutes ago, D C said:

My son's fiancé is anti-vax, but claims that she's not.  She's clinging to the fertility thing as a reason to not get it.   As you suggested, it's baseless anti-vax propaganda.  

My daughter is anti-vax and is a teacher.  She had a choice, get the vaccine or...guess what she did?!?!