N7786W Flyer Posted July 22, 2020 #126 Share Posted July 22, 2020 23 minutes ago, JetGreen said: Maybe we as cruise passengers should be pushing for Carnival and other cruise companies to opt for a more environmentally sustainable scrapping of the ships than what is carried out in Turkey. http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download?doi=10.1.1.456.6708&rep=rep1&type=pdf If I'm reading the above document correctly, it was written back in 2006. Since then, several Turkish shipyards have adopted the EU environmental standard for shipbreaking. See the link below... https://www.hellenicshippingnews.com/turkish-yards-eu-shipbreaking-approval-increases-scrap-possibilities/ Garnett Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Purvis1231 Posted July 22, 2020 #127 Share Posted July 22, 2020 18 hours ago, BlerkOne said: Not a chance. Most people prefer to enjoy their cruises and not obsess over counting pennies. Right most people will spend the OBC plus more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xDisconnections Posted July 22, 2020 #128 Share Posted July 22, 2020 49 minutes ago, JetGreen said: Maybe we as cruise passengers should be pushing for Carnival and other cruise companies to opt for a more environmentally sustainable scrapping of the ships than what is carried out in Turkey. http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download?doi=10.1.1.456.6708&rep=rep1&type=pdf You realize that Carnival Corporation has an established history of not being concerned for the environment, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ch09 Posted July 22, 2020 #129 Share Posted July 22, 2020 (edited) 28 minutes ago, xDisconnections said: You realize that Carnival Corporation has an established history of not being concerned for the environment, right? While it is not great, Turkey is much better than Alang and the ones in Pakistan and Bangladesh. Aliaga is a EU certified breaker yard when it comes to environmental standards. These ships are not EU flagged and carnival could have sent them to either of the other three yards. The cruise lines can get a lot more $$$ from the South Asian breakers, but opted not to go that route.Aliaga uses cranes to demolish the ships, rather than hands to demolish each ship. Edited July 22, 2020 by ch09 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ch09 Posted July 22, 2020 #130 Share Posted July 22, 2020 1 hour ago, Essiesmom said: They have to get there first. Fantasy is still in the Atlantic,a coule of days from the Straits of Gibraltar. Inspiration quite far behind her. Sovereign will be next. Interesting that Monarch may be beached, but her AIS is still sending, and destination is Cartagena...EM The AIS transponder on the Monarch will be turned off for good within the few days as it’s days as a ship are now over. It never showed Aliaga as a destination like the Sovereign did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xDisconnections Posted July 22, 2020 #131 Share Posted July 22, 2020 10 minutes ago, ch09 said: While it is not great, Turkey is much better than Alang and the ones in Pakistan and Bangladesh. Aliaga is a EU certified breaker yard when it comes to environmental standards. These ships are not EU flagged and carnival could have sent them to either of the other three yards. The cruise lines can get a lot more $$$ from the South Asian breakers, but opted not to go that route.Aliaga uses cranes to demolish the ships, rather than hands to demolish each ship. So for once, Carnival is making a good decision? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xDisconnections Posted July 22, 2020 #132 Share Posted July 22, 2020 3 minutes ago, ch09 said: The AIS transponder on the Monarch will be turned off for good within the few days as it’s days as a ship are now over. It never showed Aliaga as a destination like the Sovereign did. Monarch is beached. https://cruisemarsh.wordpress.com/2020/07/22/monarch-beached-in-aliaga-ahead-of-scrapping/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nybumpkin Posted July 22, 2020 #133 Share Posted July 22, 2020 6 hours ago, xDisconnections said: Monarch is beached. https://cruisemarsh.wordpress.com/2020/07/22/monarch-beached-in-aliaga-ahead-of-scrapping/ I watched a video of her beaching earlier today (sorry, can't share a link). Heartbreaking and fascinating at the same time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N7786W Flyer Posted July 22, 2020 #134 Share Posted July 22, 2020 28 minutes ago, nybumpkin said: I watched a video of her beaching earlier today (sorry, can't share a link). Heartbreaking and fascinating at the same time. Here's the link... Garnett https://gcaptain.com/watch-cruise-ship-ms-monarch-arrives-at-turkish-breakers/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare pirate4me2 Posted July 23, 2020 #135 Share Posted July 23, 2020 Fantasy’s info on Marine Traffic no longer shows Izmir Turkey as her destination, shows Aliaga. [emoji853]Sent from my iPhone using Forums Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Purvis1231 Posted July 23, 2020 #136 Share Posted July 23, 2020 Booking for the Fantasy now closed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CategoryQ Posted July 23, 2020 #137 Share Posted July 23, 2020 (edited) 19 minutes ago, Purvis1231 said: Booking for the Fantasy now closed. I'm still seeing it on carnival.com for booking. Where is it closed? Only a matter of time IMO. Hard to deny with the ship destination update. Edited July 23, 2020 by CategoryQ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bond24seven Posted July 23, 2020 #138 Share Posted July 23, 2020 8 minutes ago, CategoryQ said: I'm still seeing it on carnival.com for booking. Where is it closed? Only a matter of time IMO. Hard to deny with the ship destination update. Try to go through the booking process..Says there is nothing available. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CategoryQ Posted July 23, 2020 #139 Share Posted July 23, 2020 5 minutes ago, bond24seven said: Try to go through the booking process..Says there is nothing available. Ah, you're right. Good catch! There ya go. It's over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cruiseboy06 Posted July 23, 2020 Author #140 Share Posted July 23, 2020 (edited) 15 minutes ago, CategoryQ said: Ah, you're right. Good catch! There ya go. It's over. same thing with Inspiration...... Edited July 23, 2020 by Cruiseboy06 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cruiseboy06 Posted July 23, 2020 Author #141 Share Posted July 23, 2020 (edited) Also with Imagination, but Panorama is still open Edited July 23, 2020 by Cruiseboy06 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
embarkation75 Posted July 23, 2020 #142 Share Posted July 23, 2020 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Cruiseboy06 said: same thing with Inspiration...... ...and yet some folks on here were defiant as little as a week ago that this is all conspiracy theory talk. The waters in the Sea of Denial are getting rough for those folks. Edited July 23, 2020 by embarkation75 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cruiseboy06 Posted July 23, 2020 Author #143 Share Posted July 23, 2020 2 minutes ago, embarkation75 said: ...and yet some folks on here were defiant as little as a week ago that this is all conspiracy theory talk. The waters in the Sea of Denial are getting rough for those folks. can you remove the pic.. it has my VIFP number Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
embarkation75 Posted July 23, 2020 #144 Share Posted July 23, 2020 2 minutes ago, Cruiseboy06 said: can you remove the pic.. it has my VIFP number Done Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cruiseboy06 Posted July 23, 2020 Author #145 Share Posted July 23, 2020 2 minutes ago, embarkation75 said: Done Thanks!!!!!!!!!!! Where is Imagination going? I know its not booked solid Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
embarkation75 Posted July 23, 2020 #146 Share Posted July 23, 2020 Just now, Cruiseboy06 said: Thanks!!!!!!!!!!! Where is Imagination going? I know its not booked solid Likely either heading toward the scrapper with the Inspiration and Fantasy, or it is being moved to another port. Suspect we will find out soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Purvis1231 Posted July 23, 2020 #147 Share Posted July 23, 2020 13 minutes ago, embarkation75 said: ...and yet some folks on here were defiant as little as a week ago that this is all conspiracy theory talk. The waters in the Sea of Denial are getting rough for those folks. I was hoping the Fantasy scrapping was not true but to be honest most of us has recognized for months that the cruising industry is in for major downsizing. Who knows what ships will be out there next year? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cruiseboy06 Posted July 23, 2020 Author #148 Share Posted July 23, 2020 (edited) They have a lot of explaining to do Edited July 23, 2020 by Cruiseboy06 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
belkin Posted July 23, 2020 #149 Share Posted July 23, 2020 1 hour ago, Purvis1231 said: Booking for the Fantasy now closed. I am seeing the same thing for the Fascination. We are booked on her for a b2b in January. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ch09 Posted July 23, 2020 #150 Share Posted July 23, 2020 (edited) Carnival will be moving several ships around due to the downsizing, so bookings will be closed as a result. Some will be outright canceled and others temporarily closed to move passengers to different categories like for ones originally taken place on Fantasy class ships to bigger and newer ones where balconies exist. Edited July 23, 2020 by ch09 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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