Biker19 Posted November 29, 2020 #1051 Share Posted November 29, 2020 17 hours ago, Ourusualbeach said: I think the plan was that they would end up going to Pulmantur which now seems to possibly have changed with the announcement of Pulmantur using two Celebrity ships. https://www.cruisehive.com/celebrity-cruises-has-no-plans-to-offload-ships-to-pullmantur/43618 From Celebrity over the weekend: While we fully support the reorganization efforts of Pullmantur and continue to work productively with Pullmantur as it develops its new business plan, it is important to clarify that we have not agreed to lease or sell any of our ships, including any Celebrity Millennium class ships, to Pullmantur. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ipeeinthepool Posted November 29, 2020 #1052 Share Posted November 29, 2020 14 hours ago, Tree_skier said: Is it possible that Pullmantur restarts with two ships from Celebrity and two ships from Royal? I’m not sure Pullmantur is viable with 2 ships much less 4. Maybe it’s time for Pullmantur to go out of business. They haven’t really been successful, have they ever made a profit? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare twangster Posted November 29, 2020 #1053 Share Posted November 29, 2020 5 hours ago, ipeeinthepool said: I’m not sure Pullmantur is viable with 2 ships much less 4. Maybe it’s time for Pullmantur to go out of business. They haven’t really been successful, have they ever made a profit? Impossible to answer that question without knowing the details or seeing the books. Reorganization (or bankruptcy in the US) is a tool in the CFO toolbox and the company keeps going. Just ask most of the legacy US airlines who did the same at some point in their past. American, Delta, Northwest, United, US Airways (twice) have all gone through it. Fain must see some potential there or he wouldn't be floating the idea of sending more ships their way. He needs a place to dump unwanted ships without seeing them go to a competitor that will steal business away. Even if Pullmantur doesn't yield the profit margins and dividends that other RCG brands do it has a purpose that has better potential than the one time peanuts received from scrapping ships. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ipeeinthepool Posted November 29, 2020 #1054 Share Posted November 29, 2020 3 hours ago, twangster said: Reorganization (or bankruptcy in the US) is a tool in the CFO toolbox and the company keeps going. Just ask most of the legacy US airlines who did the same at some point in their past. American, Delta, Northwest, United, US Airways (twice) have all gone through it. Sometimes the airlines could not be saved. Braniff, Eastern, TWA are some of the largest airlines that were dissolved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger88 Posted November 29, 2020 #1055 Share Posted November 29, 2020 Its hard to answer your question. We need a more in-depth comparison and simply far more information to be able to say something more direct. I wonder how all those ships are financed these days.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WeMissSeaView Posted November 29, 2020 #1056 Share Posted November 29, 2020 Do not forget! Royal considers information to be valuable and they like to hoard it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agavegirl1 Posted November 30, 2020 #1057 Share Posted November 30, 2020 After reading a few pages here and calling Royal, I cancelled. Of course hey tried to convince me to book a similar cruise a year later but there was nothing actually similar so......apparently my Credit Cart will be credited with all monies paid in 45 days. Amazing how the debit took 45 seconds. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roeco9084 Posted December 1, 2020 #1058 Share Posted December 1, 2020 On 11/27/2020 at 6:32 PM, packercruising said: We are kind of wondering that too. First, cdc is saying no cruises over 7 days, and who knows when Canada will open back up. Then there might not be any other ships sailing from Montreal. Not looking good. They could still do 7 day one way Cruises like New York to Montreal then a 7 day return Montreal to New York. You're probably going to see some interesting itineraries when re strart begins without 7 plus days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare twangster Posted December 1, 2020 #1059 Share Posted December 1, 2020 Majesty's turn... where she stops, nobody knows. She hasn't updated her AIS destination but she is on the move, so probably just out to cycle tanks and make water. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom47 Posted December 2, 2020 #1060 Share Posted December 2, 2020 My TA notified me that RCI has cancelled my 1-31-21 cruise. All cruises cancelled through 2-28. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WeMissSeaView Posted December 3, 2020 #1061 Share Posted December 3, 2020 Looks like Majesty is about to rejoin Empress at anchor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MADflyer Posted December 3, 2020 #1062 Share Posted December 3, 2020 On 11/29/2020 at 9:08 AM, twangster said: Impossible to answer that question without knowing the details or seeing the books. ...Even if Pullmantur doesn't yield the profit margins and dividends that other RCG brands do it has a purpose that has better potential than the one time peanuts received from scrapping ships. RCG's 49% interest in Pullmantur Cruise retained the ownership of the vessels along with the aircraft held by Wamos. RCG would have received payment from the cruise line for use of the ships and the provision of management and operations of the deck and engine for the ships. Pullmantur ran the hotel and travel and tourism section of the business. They are in a very sensitive situation now with the company having taken a 'ERTE where the wages under the first part are paid by the Spanish government. The 270 remaining employees have most recently claimed that RCG is continuing operations in Spain without Pullmantur having transferred 20000 bookings over to RCG group ships. This is complicating the restructuring especially with the consideration of the Employment law in Spain. Springwater Capital, the holder of the 51% interest out of Switzerland and Spain would most certainly like to start sailing again when the market conditions allow. It will be very interesting to see how this plays out, but it would seem that RCG is a winner no matter which direction it turns. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WeMissSeaView Posted December 7, 2020 #1063 Share Posted December 7, 2020 Now Empress is sailing. It may be time to make fresh water again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare twangster Posted December 7, 2020 #1064 Share Posted December 7, 2020 2 hours ago, WeMissSeaView said: Now Empress is sailing. It may be time to make fresh water again. Perhaps dragging anchor and getting too close to Majesty. Seems to be settled now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ipeeinthepool Posted December 7, 2020 #1065 Share Posted December 7, 2020 5 hours ago, twangster said: Perhaps dragging anchor and getting too close to Majesty. Seems to be settled now. It appears that they are moving around looking for another good fishing spot. Then she'll anchor 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WeMissSeaView Posted December 7, 2020 #1066 Share Posted December 7, 2020 Yep, they are both back at anchor. Back to the new normal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milwaukee Eight Posted December 7, 2020 #1067 Share Posted December 7, 2020 On 11/28/2020 at 2:39 PM, Ourusualbeach said: The big advantage that Empress has is her size...or lack of. It just depends on how much value Royal sees in those unique itineraries. She also had a huge refit when they brought her back. Majesty just doesn’t have anything going for it. Too big and no balconies. With a new administration and the Green New Deal, I wonder how emissions are going to affect they older cruise ships? Have they been retrofitted with scrubbers or other carbon reduction protocols? M8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giantfan13 Posted December 7, 2020 #1068 Share Posted December 7, 2020 Without having to read 44 pages of this thread, we have a cruise booked on the Empress, Aug 23 2021, 11 day sailing Cape Liberty to Montreal. I booked it thru an online TA but today I went to see how the price was doing and I don't see the cruise. I also went to RCCL site and again, so not see the cruise. I haven't received anything from my TA or RCCL that the cruise has been cancelled. They are listing cruises from Montreal in September. Anyone have any idea what is going on? I do apologize if something was mentioned pages back. Cheers Len Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare twangster Posted December 7, 2020 #1069 Share Posted December 7, 2020 12 minutes ago, Giantfan13 said: Without having to read 44 pages of this thread, we have a cruise booked on the Empress, Aug 23 2021, 11 day sailing Cape Liberty to Montreal. I booked it thru an online TA but today I went to see how the price was doing and I don't see the cruise. I also went to RCCL site and again, so not see the cruise. I haven't received anything from my TA or RCCL that the cruise has been cancelled. They are listing cruises from Montreal in September. Anyone have any idea what is going on? I do apologize if something was mentioned pages back. Cheers Len The CDC Conditional Sail Order prohibits cruise lines from marketing cruises longer than 7 nights through Nov. 1 2021. They haven't canceled these cruises in hopes the virus numbers trend downward once we are through the winter, they just can't continue to offer new bookings on them at the moment so they pulled them from the website. So all we can do is wait and see how the virus numbers trend in the spring and early summer. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare twangster Posted December 7, 2020 #1070 Share Posted December 7, 2020 29 minutes ago, Milwaukee Eight said: With a new administration and the Green New Deal, I wonder how emissions are going to affect they older cruise ships? Have they been retrofitted with scrubbers or other carbon reduction protocols? M8 Last year pulling away from Costa Maya we blanketed Equinox with a heavy black cloud. Poor folks having their helipad sailaway party must have been choking on our smoke it was that bad. I suspect Empress doesn't have scrubbers but don't know that for certain. Scrubbers often produce white smoke from the water vapor. Grandeur was having scrubber installed when I sailed her in 2017. Maybe that's why Pullmantur was willing to take her. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare twangster Posted December 7, 2020 #1071 Share Posted December 7, 2020 Looks like some Empress 11 night cruises round trip from Montreal are back on Royal's website. Seems like they are bookable. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milwaukee Eight Posted December 7, 2020 #1072 Share Posted December 7, 2020 1 hour ago, twangster said: Last year pulling away from Costa Maya we blanketed Equinox with a heavy black cloud. Poor folks having their helipad sailaway party must have been choking on our smoke it was that bad. I suspect Empress doesn't have scrubbers but don't know that for certain. Scrubbers often produce white smoke from the water vapor. Grandeur was having scrubber installed when I sailed her in 2017. Maybe that's why Pullmantur was willing to take her. I was just curious as many other groups feel like with new administration, Cuba sailings would resume shortly. Not sure which ships can sail into Cuba. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TMLAalum Posted December 7, 2020 #1073 Share Posted December 7, 2020 51 minutes ago, twangster said: Looks like some Empress 11 night cruises round trip from Montreal are back on Royal's website. Seems like they are bookable. Hope this portends good news. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare twangster Posted December 7, 2020 #1074 Share Posted December 7, 2020 1 minute ago, Milwaukee Eight said: I was just curious as many other groups feel like with new administration, Cuba sailings would resume shortly. Not sure which ships can sail into Cuba. Empress hung out of the slip a bit. Majesty would hang out quite a bit more. Empress: I don't know for sure but I imagine at some point it isn't a good idea to have too much ship unsecured extended out of the berth. The angle of the lines and potential currents and winds could make the forces not work out very well. If that is the case there is a magic number for ship length that is considered safe and once a ship crosses that length it just isn't wise or safe to go there. Is that magic number good for Majesty but not for Vision? Don't know. There was a 3rd party who was going to upgrade the facilities and piers in Havana but that was going to take years. Don't know about some of the other Cuban ports that were starting to see some traffic. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WeMissSeaView Posted December 7, 2020 #1075 Share Posted December 7, 2020 Empress is sailing again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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