How About over 55 or 60 cruises?

[grapau27]

1 minute ago, d9704011 said:

Pretty much the same as with norovirus transmission.

True.

Both covid19 and norovirus can be spread by not washing your hands after a bowel movement.

 

 

[d9704011]

42 minutes ago, grapau27 said:

True.

Both covid19 and norovirus can be spread by not washing your hands after a bowel movement.

 

 

I was sort of thinking about contact with ship surfaces, utensils and the like but..... OK.

[BND]

2 hours ago, grapau27 said:

This is why disinfectant must be used.

Surviving enough to be detectable on a surface is one thing.  The issue is  whether or not it's infectious or is there enough of it to be so?  That's more important.

[mek]

On 8/8/2020 at 7:53 PM, livingonthebeach said:

 

That's what most hotels are doing these days, but their business model is not that of the cattle-call-type cruise and airline industries.  Cruises need to pack-em-in in order to make a profit.  Apparently they make an average of $200 a passenger profit when ships are at full capacity. 

 

Interesting breakdown.  I guess they lose money on me because while I spend considerably more on shore excursions, I don't step foot in the casino and maybe have a coupe of extra drinks on a 7 night cruise.  I don't spend any money in the shops either and rarely buy photos.  I'm surprised I'm not blacklisted.  LOL.

[grapau27]

8 hours ago, d9704011 said:

I was sort of thinking about contact with ship surfaces, utensils and the like but..... OK.

Yes all those surfaces can have the virus on them and need a deep clean.

[d9704011]

3 hours ago, grapau27 said:

Yes all those surfaces can have the virus on them and need a deep clean.

You’re convoluting my posts.  I don’t believe heroic surface cleaning efforts are any more than a CV-19 theatre play.  It’s the pax and crew of the ship; their state of health, conduct and behaviour that would be of more concern to me.  I’m not planning on going on a cruise until 2022 at the earliest so I’ll have plenty of opportunity to see how the situation evolves and will adjust my thinking as more is learned.

[Milwaukee Eight]

4 hours ago, grapau27 said:

Yes all those surfaces can have the virus on them and need a deep clean.

Bidet will do the job for what you previously mentioned. 😇

[livingonthebeach]

12 hours ago, mek said:

Interesting breakdown.  I guess they lose money on me because while I spend considerably more on shore excursions, I don't step foot in the casino and maybe have a coupe of extra drinks on a 7 night cruise.  I don't spend any money in the shops either and rarely buy photos.  I'm surprised I'm not blacklisted.  LOL.

 

Casino, bar and shore excursions are the bulk of their profits.  Now that they are making their shore excursions mandatory to get off the ship at a port stop, they may just begin to be profitable again.  

[mek]

13 minutes ago, livingonthebeach said:

 

Casino, bar and shore excursions are the bulk of their profits.  Now that they are making their shore excursions mandatory to get off the ship at a port stop, they may just begin to be profitable again.  

Just my opinion - but mandatory shore excursions controlled by the ship will never work except possibly for a few test runs.  Lots of people just want to get off the ship and walk around a port and shop.  If that is a restriction, then it's just one more nail in the coffin for cruising to appeal to anyone except the most die hard.

 

 

[livingonthebeach]

Just now, mek said:

Just my opinion - but mandatory shore excursions controlled by the ship will never work except possibly for a few test runs.  Lots of people just want to get off the ship and walk around a port and shop.  If that is a restriction, then it's just one more nail in the coffin for cruising to appeal to anyone except the most die hard.

 

 

It seems the majority of CCers share your opinion.  They either do their own excursion with groups formed during the roll call, have a favorite local tour guide or go out on their own. Unfortunately, like some cruise lines are doing now, they may have to require that excursions be booked solely through them which may be an unpopular but necessary decision. 

[grapau27]

2 hours ago, d9704011 said:

You’re convoluting my posts.  I don’t believe heroic surface cleaning efforts are any more than a CV-19 theatre play.  It’s the pax and crew of the ship; their state of health, conduct and behaviour that would be of more concern to me.  I’m not planning on going on a cruise until 2022 at the earliest so I’ll have plenty of opportunity to see how the situation evolves and will adjust my thinking as more is learned.

I'm not meaning anything to be complicated and agreed with most of your points.

Until there is a reliable vaccine cruising won't be as we know it.

For this thread it is not feasible for RCL with all the slides,flowriders etc to cater just for over 55 or over 60s.

In the UK there are a couple of cruiselines who specialise in senior cruises.

[grapau27]

2 hours ago, d9704011 said:

You’re convoluting my posts.  I don’t believe heroic surface cleaning efforts are any more than a CV-19 theatre play.  It’s the pax and crew of the ship; their state of health, conduct and behaviour that would be of more concern to me.  I’m not planning on going on a cruise until 2022 at the earliest so I’ll have plenty of opportunity to see how the situation evolves and will adjust my thinking as more is learned.

I think a lot of people think like this and we are not in a hurry either to cruise until we can feel reasonably safe and this might only be when an effective vaccine or treatment is available.

Graham

[livingonthebeach]

16 minutes ago, grapau27 said:

I'm not meaning anything to be complicated and agreed with most of your points.

Until there is a reliable vaccine cruising won't be as we know it.

For this thread it is not feasible for RCL with all the slides,flowriders etc to cater just for over 55 or over 60s.

In the UK there are a couple of cruiselines who specialise in senior cruises.

I agree. Silver Seas, Oceania, Regent, Viking, Holland America, Princess, Viking etc cater to the older population.  Royal has been targeting the young through all the onboard activities geared for them. Don’t think the 55+ is Royal’s main clientele since the casino and bar is where they obtain the bulk of their profits and many 55+ passengers are in bed by the time it gets hopping in the casinos, night clubs and bars. No profits = no cruising. 

Edited August 16, 2020 by livingonthebeach

[grapau27]

33 minutes ago, mek said:

Just my opinion - but mandatory shore excursions controlled by the ship will never work except possibly for a few test runs.  Lots of people just want to get off the ship and walk around a port and shop.  If that is a restriction, then it's just one more nail in the coffin for cruising to appeal to anyone except the most die hard.

 

 

+1

[DaniDanielle]

I think there are plenty of Us over 55 who are in the casino and bars late at night!

[livingonthebeach]

3 minutes ago, DaniDanielle said:

I think there are plenty of Us over 55 who are in the casino and bars late at night!

 

True -- myself included, but if you look around those under 55 are more in number and stay way later than the 55+ crowd in the casino, bars and nightclubs.  When I first started cruising I stayed longer in those places -- not anymore. 🙁

[lovelife]

"many 55+ passengers are in bed by the time it gets hopping in the casinos, night clubs and bars."

 

What??? 

[livingonthebeach]

2 hours ago, lovelife said:

"many 55+ passengers are in bed by the time it gets hopping in the casinos, night clubs and bars."

 

What??? 

 

Many -- not all.  Younger people tend to party and drink more than the older crowd.  Before CV19, the nightclubs in South Beach didn't get started until 1am.  You didn't see too many 55+ nightclub goers at that time at the clubs, bars or just walking around the beach. Of course there are exemptions but generally, there aren't that many cougars and manthers late at night ordering rounds of drinks. 

[Viajera7]

I was in an 8 day road trip in July and I stayed in 5 different hotels. The way they handled the COVID 19 situation was very different. 2 of the hotels handled it better than the rest. Surprise, the cheapest hotel handled it better and it was close to the idea of one of the posters here (Sorry but I don’t want to reread the 4 pages to get the name). Since that hotel was not offering breakfast due to COVID 19, the front desk person offered me a bedroom upgrade and told me what bedrooms had not been occupied for at least 3 days. The previous poster had an idea about having 6 days to cruise and one to clean the room. It could be that you have a 7 days cruise but only half of the cabins are used. Then for the next cruise, people would use the other half of the cabins that were not used. I know that some people like a specific cabin so that would not work for them. I also know that that would only take care of part of the problem since social distancing, masks and following rules is super important too.

BTW: Another observation regarding the 55/60 year old cruisers. These are the people that I usually see closing the bars ( no discos) or closing the casino so no stereotypes, please.

 

[livingonthebeach]

1 hour ago, Viajera7 said:

.....BTW: Another observation regarding the 55/60 year old cruisers. These are the people that I usually see closing the bars ( no discos) or closing the casino so no stereotypes, please.

 

LOL -- these must be the same 55/60+ year-olds that do the flow rider, zip liner, dry and wet slides, ice skate and twerk the night away on the dance floor then close down the bars, clubs and casinos.   Nice if RCI can become profitable with ships load of these cruisers that could fill up Oasis class ships.    

[Cruise a holic]

On 8/6/2020 at 8:01 PM, time4u2go said:

What about the possibility of someone picking it up in a port?  All it takes is one.

Agree.  The ports might have a high incidence of the virus so until we are all vaccinated with a safe reliable vaccination, really not safe for any age passengers.

 

[LuckyStar]

On 8/7/2020 at 6:09 AM, Empehi said:

Well ..... from the previous posts on this topic it certainly appears that there will be not be cruising anytime soon.

 

Perhaps an anti-body test and only let cruisers with the anti-bodies onboard due to their supposed immunity to the virus.

 

One last thought .... I find it hard to believe that flying to a cruise departure port would not be a major risk in catching the virus

just prior to boarding. Sure, I know the airlines say it is safe but REALLY: baggage claim, eating at the airport. TSA lines, restroom breaks (especially on the airplane) and the close quarters on the airplane.

 

I have flown twice since July and I have never felt unsafe flying.  The airlines are doing a great job in dealing with the issues around potential infection.  Loading back to front and unloading front to back has been great. Masks aren't even that bad during the flight.  

[yogimax]

25 minutes ago, LuckyStar said:

I have flown twice since July and I have never felt unsafe flying.  The airlines are doing a great job in dealing with the issues around potential infection.  Loading back to front and unloading front to back has been great. Masks aren't even that bad during the flight.  

Delta had to have a plane return to the gate and offload two passengers who refused to wear masks.

[TheMastodon]

On 8/6/2020 at 7:57 PM, Empehi said:

Just an idea. Because one of the main problems with COVID-19 is the asymptomatic person spreading the virus unknown that they have the virus.

It is my understanding that older folks are very seldom (if ever) asymptomatic so they would be the easiest population of cruisers to identify pre-cruise.

All the cruise line would have to do is test (perhaps even daily) the crew.  What do people think?

 

 

It's a great problem to have that the vast majority of people aren't affected by the virus to the point they don't even know they have it.  

 

All of this doesn't mean anything because you can test negative getting on the ship, but show symptoms next day.  This is not rocket science folks.  

[TiiiSailor]

On 8/6/2020 at 8:01 PM, time4u2go said:

What about the possibility of someone picking it up in a port?  All it takes is one.

This is why MSC is requiring all passengers leaving the ship in ports be taking a ship sponsored excursion. The excursions are setup to minimize exposure to the local population.  There's another thread here that talks about a couple who left the ship on a ship sponsored excursion in Naples, IT, but got left the excursion while in port to explore on their own.  When they returned to the ship they were not allowed to board the ship.  

 

MSC is cruising in the European area and only allowing EU citizens cruise as another way of controlling exposure to COVID-19.  COVID-19 testing is done before boarding and temperatures are required to be taken by all onboard everyday.  

 

This could be a vision of many cruises when they start cruising again.  

Edited August 21, 2020 by TiiiSailor