Positive cases on cruise ship docked in Greece

[Tapi]

I’m beginning to think that it’s safer to be on a cruise ship than anywhere on land. 

[katiecat]

10 minutes ago, Tapi said:

I’m beginning to think that it’s safer to be on a cruise ship than anywhere on land. 

I've always felt that way even more so now.

[steamboats]

Confirmed by TUI Cruises:

 

All second PCR tests are negative.

 

Greek authorities did an antibody test which was negative too - 24 contacts were tested too and all negative.

 

A third PCR test is still pending - this takes a couple of hours.

 

The 12 crew members as well as the 24 contacts are in isolation. Passengers were never in isolation.

 

Currently they are in port enjoying a "sea day in port". All planned shore tours have been rescheduled for tomorrow.

 

steamboats

[pcakes122]

14 hours ago, oteixeira said:

I think the way to look at this is are you willing to risk your life to live your fullest life?

You forgot to add an important part of the question.   Are people willing to risk other people's lives to live their fullest life?

 

I cruised when people thought it was crazy to do so and I wound up with Covid-19.   However, my 2-3 month ordeal being sick and (thankfully) recovering was not even the worst part of it all. I am still haunted by the thoughts of the others that I am certain that I infected on that ship. I wonder if they are OK and if they all made it through like I did, or if it ended their life. 😢 I think about their families and the impact of my stupidity ("It won't happen to me") and selfishness (I was only thinking about whether or not I would get sick, not even a thought of whether or not I would pass it on to others should I contract the virus.)

 

As of last week I'm still testing positive for antibodies, so it probably would be OK for me to cruise without getting reinfected. However, I won't be doing that any time soon.  

 

[oteixeira]

1 hour ago, pcakes122 said:

You forgot to add an important part of the question.   Are people willing to risk other people's lives to live their fullest life?

 

I cruised when people thought it was crazy to do so and I wound up with Covid-19.   However, my 2-3 month ordeal being sick and (thankfully) recovering was not even the worst part of it all. I am still haunted by the thoughts of the others that I am certain that I infected on that ship. I wonder if they are OK and if they all made it through like I did, or if it ended their life. 😢 I think about their families and the impact of my stupidity ("It won't happen to me") and selfishness (I was only thinking about whether or not I would get sick, not even a thought of whether or not I would pass it on to others should I contract the virus.)

 

As of last week I'm still testing positive for antibodies, so it probably would be OK for me to cruise without getting reinfected. However, I won't be doing that any time soon.  

 

Again, I understand what you are saying but that is part of the risk.  Do you not drive for fear that you will have an accident that may be your fault and hurt someone which will have a ripple effect on their family, co-workers, etc?  Do you not go out in winter because the cold/flu you have may spread to an elderly man at the store who will then get pneumonia from it and die that year from complications?  These things also happen every day in life.  We can't fully control ANYTHING in this world, and thinking we can is just a funny joke on ourselves.  Want to see how much control you are in, think of any big plans you had during your life that were derailed.  Did you derail them, or was it something out of your control?  

I am not trying to be mean or a jerk, I am just saying we can do the best we can, but we still have to be able to live our lives, or why are we even here? 

[Formula280SS]

2 hours ago, pcakes122 said:

 

I cruised when people thought it was crazy to do so and I wound up with Covid-19.   

 

 

I understand and sympathize with your ordeal and certainly do not mean to demean it in any manner by asking the following questions re: "how do you know you got it on the cruise ship?"

 

Did you become aware of your infection while on the cruise?

 

Did you have it before you left your home?

 

How did you travel to the cruise port, land vehicles, air transports, etc.?

 

Did you stay at a hotel prior to your cruise?

 

Did you dine at any restaurant, B-L-D or other prior to your cruise.

 

Did you visit a bar or lounge prior to your cruise.

 

How did you travel, if you pre-cruise stayed at a hotel, to the cruise port?

 

If you became aware of your infection after the cruise?

 

Same questions above in reverse.

 

[pcakes122]

28 minutes ago, oteixeira said:

Again, I understand what you are saying but that is part of the risk.  Do you not drive for fear that you will have an accident that may be your fault and hurt someone which will have a ripple effect on their family, co-workers, etc?  Do you not go out in winter because the cold/flu you have may spread to an elderly man at the store who will then get pneumonia from it and die that year from complications?  These things also happen every day in life.  We can't fully control ANYTHING in this world, and thinking we can is just a funny joke on ourselves.  Want to see how much control you are in, think of any big plans you had during your life that were derailed.  Did you derail them, or was it something out of your control?  

I am not trying to be mean or a jerk, I am just saying we can do the best we can, but we still have to be able to live our lives, or why are we even here? 

I don't drive drunk because I know that I could hurt other people. I don't go to work sick because I know that I could impact other people. So, yes I do consider the risk I am taking vs. the impact it could have on others.

 

Everyone has a different moral compass, so perhaps how I approach life is a foreign concept to you or others.  

 

When it comes to Covid-19, I admittedly underestimated the risk. I honestly did not believe it would happen to me and I felt safe with the "heightened" sanitation and temp checks on the ship.  I had no idea I would get sick -or just how seriously sick I would get.  Never even considered that I'd spread it to others. But I know better now, even though the damage is done.

 

I recognize that some people anxious to cruise either don't care or still have the "it won't happen to me" false sense of security.  That said, in my opinion this is another reason I hesitate to cruise at this point.  Folks who just are not taking it serious enough may tend to be lax in taking the precautions that keep others safe.

[oteixeira]

Just now, pcakes122 said:

I don't drive drunk because I know that I could hurt other people. I don't go to work sick because I know that I could impact other people. So, yes I do consider the risk I am taking vs. the impact it could have on others.

 

 

To be clear I never said drive drunk.  You can absolutely have an accident without being drunk.  Also, I am sure you know you can have the flu without realizing it for days or more (oh its just a bug, oh I just feel off today).  

[pcakes122]

2 minutes ago, Formula280SS said:

 

I understand and sympathize with your ordeal and certainly do not mean to demean it in any manner by asking the following questions re: "how do you know you got it on the cruise ship?"  Never said I contracted it on the ship.

 

Did you become aware of your infection while on the cruise?  No. (Although I was very fatigued to the point of spending the majority of the cruise in bed. )

 

Did you have it before you left your home? Not sure.

 

How did you travel to the cruise port, land vehicles, air transports, etc.?  My personal car.

 

Did you stay at a hotel prior to your cruise? No.

 

Did you dine at any restaurant, B-L-D or other prior to your cruise.  No.

 

Did you visit a bar or lounge prior to your cruise. No.

 

How did you travel, if you pre-cruise stayed at a hotel, to the cruise port? My personal car - I live 40 min from the port.

 

If you became aware of your infection after the cruise? Yes, NCL sent me an email the day after debarkation to alert me that there had been a prior positive case on the ship.  I was tested and results were positive. (I passed temp checks at the pier at embarkation and debarkation. )

 

Same questions above in reverse.

 

 

[pcakes122]

5 minutes ago, oteixeira said:

To be clear I never said drive drunk.  You can absolutely have an accident without being drunk.  Also, I am sure you know you can have the flu without realizing it for days or more (oh its just a bug, oh I just feel off today).  

You fail to acknowledge the difference in risk level.  Driving sober and driving drunk are two different risk levels. Cruising during a pandemic is a completely different risk level than cruising in "normal" times.

[oteixeira]

10 minutes ago, pcakes122 said:

You fail to acknowledge the difference in risk level.  Driving sober and driving drunk are two different risk levels. Cruising during a pandemic is a completely different risk level than cruising in "normal" times.

That is your opinion.  Many experts in the cruising industry will argue (and rightly so) that it is safer than WalMart, and many restaurants in your home town.  It is NOT the same as driving drunk, that is a horrible comparison.

Edited September 29, 2020 by oteixeira

[pcakes122]

2 minutes ago, oteixeira said:

That is your opinion.  Many experts in the cruising industry will argue (and rightly so) that it is safer than WalMart, and many restaurants in your home town.  It is NOT the same as driving drunk, that is a horrible comparison.

You are twisting my words to try to prove your point (I still can't figure out what point you are even trying to make lol) YOU brought driving into this discussion, not me.

 

My views are based on my own personal experience with Covid-19 and cruising, and my personal approach to life. You have no idea whether cruising is safer than Walmart - neither do I or anyone else.  I can only tell you this much, if you contract Covid-19, you definitely want to be in close proximity to a medical facility that has the medication, expertise, equipment and treatments you need to survive it.  And that is not a ship in the middle of the ocean.  In my opinion, you'd be much safer right now at a land resort.

[Formula280SS]

20 minutes ago, pcakes122 said:

I understand and sympathize with your ordeal and certainly do not mean to demean it in any manner by asking the following questions re: "how do you know you got it on the cruise ship?"  Never said I contracted it on the ship.

 

Did you become aware of your infection while on the cruise?  No. (Although I was very fatigued to the point of spending the majority of the cruise in bed. )

 

Did you have it before you left your home? Not sure.

 

How did you travel to the cruise port, land vehicles, air transports, etc.?  My personal car.

 

Did you stay at a hotel prior to your cruise? No.

 

Did you dine at any restaurant, B-L-D or other prior to your cruise.  No.

 

Did you visit a bar or lounge prior to your cruise. No.

 

How did you travel, if you pre-cruise stayed at a hotel, to the cruise port? My personal car - I live 40 min from the port.

 

If you became aware of your infection after the cruise? Yes, NCL sent me an email the day after debarkation to alert me that there had been a prior positive case on the ship.  I was tested and results were positive. (I passed temp checks at the pier at embarkation and debarkation. )

 

Same questions above in reverse.

 

Thank you for the information. 

 

I believe you successfully limited you risk pre-cruise with your proximity to port and your travel (no planes, hotels, restaurants). 

 

For us, we're less concerned with "once on the ship under the new protocols aka MSC Grandiosa and 'bubble concept" than we are about going to airport, gate, boarding, plane, gate, ride to hotel, dining, ride to port. 

 

We're about 30 hours from the midpoint of the FL east coast, so driving is about all we have for an option now.  We can do it, but it is not something we're looking forward to and probably won't do.  We're proponents of slowly resuming cruising, under strict protocols, without exceptions.  Unfortunately, I have very high risk underlying conditions making C-19 essentially lethal, so (although others than can and want to should be able to start to) we'll wait for a vaccine on the one hand, and are quite interested in a therapeutic treatment.

 

Again, thank you for the information.

 

[MsTabbyKats]

14 hours ago, Tapi said:

Of course there’s always a certain level of concern about contracting Covid, whether I’m on land or at sea. But the statement that I made was cruise specific. For me, testing positive while on a cruise wouldn’t be as much of a concern as how the cruise line will handle things. That to me would be a much bigger concern.

Maybe for you not a concern, but those 100s of other people you could infect might be more concerned.

And that's why you won't catch me on a ship until there's a vaccine.  Beat the virus....then sail.  

[oteixeira]

16 minutes ago, pcakes122 said:

You are twisting my words to try to prove your point (I still can't figure out what point you are even trying to make lol) YOU brought driving into this discussion, not me.

 

My views are based on my own personal experience with Covid-19 and cruising, and my personal approach to life. You have no idea whether cruising is safer than Walmart - neither do I or anyone else.  I can only tell you this much, if you contract Covid-19, you definitely want to be in close proximity to a medical facility that has the medication, expertise, equipment and treatments you need to survive it.  And that is not a ship in the middle of the ocean.  In my opinion, you'd be much safer right now at a land resort.

I wasn't trying to twist any words at all.  Sorry you feel that way, have a great day.

[DCGuy64]

1 hour ago, oteixeira said:

Again, I understand what you are saying but that is part of the risk.  Do you not drive for fear that you will have an accident that may be your fault and hurt someone which will have a ripple effect on their family, co-workers, etc?  Do you not go out in winter because the cold/flu you have may spread to an elderly man at the store who will then get pneumonia from it and die that year from complications?  These things also happen every day in life.  We can't fully control ANYTHING in this world, and thinking we can is just a funny joke on ourselves.  Want to see how much control you are in, think of any big plans you had during your life that were derailed.  Did you derail them, or was it something out of your control?  

I am not trying to be mean or a jerk, I am just saying we can do the best we can, but we still have to be able to live our lives, or why are we even here? 

I agree with @oteixeira

We cannot control for every eventuality, all we can do is attempt (attempt, not be guaranteed to succeed) to mitigate risk. For some people, it means virtually never setting foot outside their houses. For others, it means leaving to go to work every day because they have no other choice. For me and for my wife, it means taking reasonable precautions. Reasonable, AS WE DEFINE IT, not based on what others say. We've now been on two trips this month, one to Indiana for a wedding and one to Mexico. We were VERY cautious the whole time, and surprise! surprise! we are fine. I don't begrudge others who don't want to sail right now, but I don't want THEIR risk level to automatically determine EVERYBODY ELSE'S. It's the equivalent of saying "I'm afraid of going to my local bar for a drink, so the bar should be closed down for everybody." That isn't fair. And I made that clear when I posted my comments to the CDC recently about ending the No Sail order.

[pcakes122]

Just now, Formula280SS said:

I believe you successfully limited you risk pre-cruise with your proximity to

Again, thank you for the information.

 

Of course, no problem.   And I completely understand your situation, I also have pre-existing conditions (btw, my cruise was March 8th on the Bliss, so we didn't know then everything we know now. )

 

Even though I still have antibodies that HOPEFULLY give me some immunity, I am not ready to cruise again right now. My BIGGEST concern (which I think should be the main concern for anyone - especially with a preexisting condition) is the "what if?"  Covid-19 is not like norovirus in that if you contract it you can just be quarantined in your cabin, eat soup and crackers and tough it out. You will need actual treatment and specialists to get through it successfully - like pulmonologists and/or cardiologists and ventilators and specialty meds or transfusions.  Cruise ship medical facilities are staffed by emergency medicine doctors. They are excellent at setting broken bones, stitching up cuts and STABILIZING serious illnesses prior to transporting patients to land-based hospitals.  They are not trained or prepared to actually treat serious illnesses, nor should they be.

 

Thankfully, my cruise ended before I was in full symptoms. Otherwise, I doubt I'd be here posting.

 

BTW, I am not a cruise naysayer.  I actually have 10 cruises booked between now and 2022!  But I am taking baby steps. My 1st cruise isn't until April and it's only 4 days from New York to Bermuda.   I will never be too far from medical treatment so I feel it mitigates my risk.

[Tapi]

32 minutes ago, MsTabbyKats said:

Maybe for you not a concern, but those 100s of other people you could infect might be more concerned.

And that's why you won't catch me on a ship until there's a vaccine.  Beat the virus....then sail.  

I respectfully think that you may have misinterpreted my previous post. I am concerned, not only for me, but for everyone around me, including family (some who are elderly and with medical issues), coworkers, and anyone in the general population that I may come in contact with. That’s why I follow (and in many cases exceed) the protocols in place. Even though where I live these protocols have been relaxed and a lot of people don’t follow them anyway, I still do. 
 

Now, concerning what I wrote before, of course I’d be concerned about getting Covid while on a cruise ship or spreading it to others. But if such situation arised, my biggest concern would be what happens then. That’s what I referred to when I said that I wouldn’t be as concerned about getting Covid as what the response from the cruise lines will be. Will they have protocols in place to quickly isolate infected passengers and move them to a land facility as quickly as possible, or will the ship be prohibited from returning and left bobbing at sea?  That’s why I’m closely following the cruise line’s response to situations like the one that occurred during the last days in Greece. I want to know what the cruise lines will do, and how they will handle infections. 
 

I respect the decision of others to abstain from traveling at this time, whether by cruise ship, airplane or both. For me, I have no choice but to travel since that’s what I do for a living. I have been that guinea pig since early  on in the pandemic, and not out of free will, I’ve been flying and staying at hotels on a weekly basis. I’ve learned to wear masks for prolonged periods of time, abide by higher standards of sanitation,  be cognizant of physical separation, and test periodically. Many of these things that others are objecting to and that will be common when cruises resume have become standard practice for me now.
 

If I do choose to go on a cruise, I will apply to it what I already do on a regular basis. I will protect myself and will do whatever I can to protect others. If there’s something that I’ve learned during the last few months abiding by these protocols is that a multi-layered approach to Covid properly executed is effective, even if we don’t have a vaccine yet. 

Edited September 29, 2020 by Tapi

[BermudaBound2014]

30 minutes ago, pcakes122 said:

Covid-19 is not like norovirus in that if you contract it you can just be quarantined in your cabin, eat soup and crackers and tough it out. You will need actual treatment and specialists to get through it successfully - like pulmonologists and/or cardiologists and ventilators and specialty meds or transfusions. 

 

I respectfully disagree with this statement. The vast majority of people who contract Covid need little (if any) medical intervention. Certainly there cases where people need pulmonologists, cardiologists, ventalitors.... but that is not the norm and suggesting that everyone who contracts covid will need these extreme treatments is inaccurate.

 

PS: I have great empathy that you did contract covid and I'm truly happy you have survived. I mean zero disrespect. Just trying to keep things in the proper perspective.

[pcakes122]

4 minutes ago, BermudaBound2014 said:

 

I respectfully disagree with this statement. The vast majority of people who contract Covid need little (if any) medical intervention. Certainly there cases where people need pulmonologists, cardiologists, ventalitors.... but that is not the norm and suggesting that everyone who contracts covid will need these extreme treatments is inaccurate.

 

PS: I have great empathy that you did contract covid and I'm truly happy you have survived. I mean zero disrespect. Just trying to keep things in the proper perspective.

There is no rhyme or reason between who suffers serious symptoms and who does not in terms of pre-Covid health. Folks need to be mindful that what you see on the news is not necessarily accurate and is always biased. If you want to know the experiences of people who actually had Covid, join or read private and/or public forums such as FB groups of Covid sufferers and survivors.  These groups helped save my life.

 

For example, my initial Covid symptoms were fatigue and headache. I had NO fever and initially no shortness of breath.  Despite the fact that I felt generally sick, and the fact that NCL sent an email letting me know that there had been confirmed Covid-19 on the ship that I just debarked, even my own doctor hesitated to send me for a Covid test because at that time every news channel was reiterating that Covid symptoms were a high fever, dry cough and shortness of breath - NONE of which I was experiencing at the time.

 

I joined one of the Covid groups just to get more information, and I learned others who had tested positive work experiencing similar symptoms to mine. I shared with my doctor, she ordered the test and my results were positive.  I never did develop a fever at any time over the next 2 to 3 months, but I became extremely sick and short of breath.  It still shocks me that the CDC paperwork I received after taking the test indicated that I could consider myself clear of the virus within 14 days LOL.  I had two additional positive tests over the next two months. I did not test negative until the third month.  

 

In those Covid groups you will read stories that will directly contradict what you are hearing in the news, including tragic stories of young people with no pre-existing conditions that have sadly passed away (as well as elderly survivors who previously have had cancer and all kinds of serious diseases!)

 

I implore people to do REAL research before just blindly listening to news channel propaganda - if that's the source you're using to make decisions regarding your health.

 

In my case, following news reports (and CDC) guidelines would have delayed my treatment and maybe changed my outcome.  

 

If you are reading stories that tell you that only old people die from Covid, or only people with pre-existing conditions get the worst of it, you need to find a better source of info.

 

The bottom line is that there is no real way to predict how Covid will act in anyone's system until you contract it.  So I still maintain that stepping on a ship you need to be prepared for a worst-case scenario.

[Linda the Book Lover]

This thread started out about "Positive cases on cruise ship docked in Greece" and then moved into the direction of safe or not safe to cruise.

45 minutes ago, Tapi said:

I respectfully think that you may have misinterpreted my previous post. I am concerned, not only for me, but for everyone around me, including family (some who are elderly and with medical issues), coworkers, and anyone in the general population that I may come in contact with. That’s why I follow (and in many cases exceed) the protocols in place. Even though where I live these protocols have been relaxed and a lot of people don’t follow them anyway, I still do. 
 

Now, concerning what I wrote before, of course I’d be concerned about getting Covid while on a cruise ship or spreading it to others. But if such situation arised, my biggest concern would be what happens then. That’s what I referred to when I said that I wouldn’t be as concerned about getting Covid as what the response from the cruise lines will be. Will they have protocols in place to quickly isolate infected passengers and move them to a land facility as quickly as possible, or will the ship be prohibited from returning and left bobbing at sea?  That’s why I’m closely following the cruise line’s response to situations like the one that occurred during the last days in Greece. I want to know what the cruise lines will do, and how they will handle infections. 
 

I respect the decision of others to abstain from traveling at this time, whether by cruise ship, airplane or both. For me, I have no choice but to travel since that’s what I do for a living. I have been that guinea pig since early  on in the pandemic, and not out of free will, I’ve been flying and staying at hotels on a weekly basis. I’ve learned to wear masks for prolonged periods of time, abide by higher standards of sanitation,  be cognizant of physical separation, and test periodically. Many of these things that others are objecting to and that will be common when cruises resume have become standard practice for me now.
 

If I do choose to go on a cruise, I will apply to it what I already do on a regular basis. I will protect myself and will do whatever I can to protect others. If there’s something that I’ve learned during the last few months abiding by these protocols is that a multi-layered approach to Covid properly executed is effective, even if we don’t have a vaccine yet. 

Thanks and well written Tapi!🙂

 

We stayed in with no visits except "drive by waves and I love yous" from family since my husband and I as seniors decided to be consciously cautious. We have no idea if precautions will keep us safe or not just as we have no idea if we will get sick or not. We have been out several times and thank God we are still well and kicking. Cruising, you bet! Just as at home we will be cautious and try our best to stick to the rules the cruise lines give us while we are enjoying our trip.  

[BermudaBound2014]

11 minutes ago, pcakes122 said:

The bottom line is that there is no real way to predict how Covid will act in anyone's system until you contract it.  So I still maintain that stepping on a ship you need to be prepared for a worst-case scenario.

 

Of course, always be best prepared;  but nothing you just stated even remotely addresses my original response. 

 

You wrote:

1 hour ago, pcakes122 said:

Covid-19 is not like norovirus in that if you contract it you can just be quarantined in your cabin, eat soup and crackers and tough it out. You will need actual treatment and specialists to get through it successfully - like pulmonologists and/or cardiologists and ventilators and specialty meds or transfusions. 

 

I still strongly disagree. Instead, I make the claim that the VAST majority of people who contract covid will NOT need actual treatment and specialists to get through it successfully. 

 

In no way am I implying that we shouldn't take precautions. In no way am I implying that some people will need medical intervention. In no way am I implying that there are countless heartbreaking stories related to covid.  But to the best of my research abilities,the vast majority of those who contract covid will not need medical treatment as you suggested. 

Edited September 29, 2020 by BermudaBound2014

[pcakes122]

22 minutes ago, BermudaBound2014 said:

 

Of course, always be best prepared;  but nothing you just stated even remotely addresses my original response. 

 

You wrote:

 

I still strongly disagree. Instead, I make the claim that the VAST majority of people who contract covid will NOT need actual treatment and specialists to get through it 

Because you read it on the internet or saw it on the news?

 

I have no dog in this fight.  I've already had Covid and as of last week I'm still testing positive for antibodies. In that perspective, I have less to worry about right now then those of you who have not been so lucky. 🙃

 

The SOLE reason that I am sharing my experience and opinion is to help other people. Just to provide some background, (if you haven't read my prior posts over the last 6 months) I am a frequent cruiser.  I get comp ("free") cruises through in NCL's casino department (as well as many other cruise lines.)  I cruise a minimum of 6-8 times per year - frequently more. I don't know that I have met anyone yet that loves cruising more than me.

 

And while I am not a daredevil, I'm also not particularly cautious or easily frightened or deterred.  When the news broke about Covid in Jan/Feb this year, I never even considered canceling my March 8th cruise. I was booked in the Deluxe Owner's Suite on the Bliss, and I ignored allll the friends, family and co-workers who told me I was crazy to step on a ship. I thought they were all overreacting.  While I do have RA, I have not even had a seasonal flu in 20 years. I also knew the ship would be on heightened sanitation and was doing temp checks and I trust NCL.  Plus, other than going to the casino, I planned to spend the majority of my time enjoying our fabulous suite and the Haven.  I would be just fine and these annoying people needed to get a grip, stop being scaredy-cats and let me enjoy my trip!!

 

Well, you know how that worked out for me.

 

I see and hear myself in so many posts here, so I felt compelled to share my experience.  Whether or not my story gives anyone pause is really not my business. I just know speaking up is the right thing for me to do. 

 

PS I'm still not a scaredy-cat.  I'm just smarter.

[PelicanBill]

Back on the main topic.  If it is true that all 12 have re-rested negative, how bad is it that 12 tests gave a false positive at the same time?  It's really not acceptable.  Look at the response. ship locked up.  people quarantined.  we are going to overreact out of fear and necessity both.

 

Everybody reports on a cruise ship with 12 positive tests as if it's a California wildfire.  But re-tests are negative?  crickets.

 

[BermudaBound2014]

7 minutes ago, pcakes122 said:

Because you read it on the internet or saw it on the news?

 

Because I lived it with a family member. Tested positive for covid. Did not go to the doctor for treatment. 

 

Continuing to make the claim that everyone who contracts covid will need medical attention is absurd fear mongering.

 

I'm sorry you were sick. I hope you feel better. Enjoy cruising whenever you feel safe.