CDC requested to reinstate NSO

[Tippyton]

1 minute ago, HaveWeMetYet said:

Here is New Mexico Covid deaths on Friday. 22 set a record I believe, and their health backgrounds.

Notice a trend?

 

The Department of Health on Friday reported twenty-two additional deaths in New Mexico related to COVID-19:

• A female in her 60s from Bernalillo County. The individual was hospitalized and had underlying conditions.
• A female in her 70s from Bernalillo County. The individual was hospitalized and had underlying conditions.
• A second female in her 70s from Bernalillo County. The individual had underlying conditions and was a resident of The Rio Las Estancias in Albuquerque.
•  A female in her 80s from Bernalillo County. The individual was hospitalized and had underlying conditions.
• A second female in her 80s from Bernalillo County. The individual was hospitalized and had underlying conditions.
• A male in his 60s from Bernalillo County. The individual was hospitalized and had underlying conditions.
• A female in her 80s from Chaves County. The individual was hospitalized and had underlying conditions.
• A female in her 50s from Cibola County. The individual was hospitalized and had underlying conditions.
• A male in his 40s from Cibola County. The individual was hospitalized and had underlying conditions.
• A male in his 50s in Cibola County. The individual was hospitalized and was an inmate at Northwest New Mexico Correctional Center in Cibola County.
• A female in her 40s from Doña Ana County. The individual was hospitalized and had underlying conditions.
• A female in her 50s from Doña Ana County. The individual was hospitalized and had underlying conditions.
• A female in her 80s from Doña Ana County. The individual was hospitalized and had underlying conditions.
• A female in her 90s from Doña Ana County. The individual had underlying conditions was a resident of Calibre Sagecrest Nursing and Rehabilitation Center in Las Cruces facility.
• A male in his 80s from Doña Ana County. The individual was hospitalized and had underlying conditions. The individual was a resident of the The Arbors of Del Rey in Las Cruces facility.
• A second male in his 80s from Doña Ana County. The individual was hospitalized and had underlying conditions. The individual was a resident of the The Arbors of Del Rey in Las Cruces facility.
• A male in his 90s from Doña Ana County. The individual was hospitalized and had underlying conditions.
• A male in his 60s from Eddy County. The individual was hospitalized and had underlying conditions.
• A male in his 90s from Eddy County. The individual was hospitalized and had underlying conditions.
• A female in her 50s from Otero County. The individual was hospitalized and had underlying conditions.
• A second female in her 50s from Otero County. The individual was hospitalized and had underlying conditions.
• A female in her 40s from Socorro County. The individual was hospitalized and had underlying conditions.

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[travelhound]

23 minutes ago, HaveWeMetYet said:

Here is New Mexico Covid deaths on Friday. 22 set a record I believe, and their health backgrounds.

Notice a trend?

 

The Department of Health on Friday reported twenty-two additional deaths in New Mexico related to COVID-19:

• A female in her 60s from Bernalillo County. The individual was hospitalized and had underlying conditions.
• A female in her 70s from Bernalillo County. The individual was hospitalized and had underlying conditions.
• A second female in her 70s from Bernalillo County. The individual had underlying conditions and was a resident of The Rio Las Estancias in Albuquerque.
•  A female in her 80s from Bernalillo County. The individual was hospitalized and had underlying conditions.
• A second female in her 80s from Bernalillo County. The individual was hospitalized and had underlying conditions.
• A male in his 60s from Bernalillo County. The individual was hospitalized and had underlying conditions.
• A female in her 80s from Chaves County. The individual was hospitalized and had underlying conditions.
• A female in her 50s from Cibola County. The individual was hospitalized and had underlying conditions.
• A male in his 40s from Cibola County. The individual was hospitalized and had underlying conditions.
• A male in his 50s in Cibola County. The individual was hospitalized and was an inmate at Northwest New Mexico Correctional Center in Cibola County.
• A female in her 40s from Doña Ana County. The individual was hospitalized and had underlying conditions.
• A female in her 50s from Doña Ana County. The individual was hospitalized and had underlying conditions.
• A female in her 80s from Doña Ana County. The individual was hospitalized and had underlying conditions.
• A female in her 90s from Doña Ana County. The individual had underlying conditions was a resident of Calibre Sagecrest Nursing and Rehabilitation Center in Las Cruces facility.
• A male in his 80s from Doña Ana County. The individual was hospitalized and had underlying conditions. The individual was a resident of the The Arbors of Del Rey in Las Cruces facility.
• A second male in his 80s from Doña Ana County. The individual was hospitalized and had underlying conditions. The individual was a resident of the The Arbors of Del Rey in Las Cruces facility.
• A male in his 90s from Doña Ana County. The individual was hospitalized and had underlying conditions.
• A male in his 60s from Eddy County. The individual was hospitalized and had underlying conditions.
• A male in his 90s from Eddy County. The individual was hospitalized and had underlying conditions.
• A female in her 50s from Otero County. The individual was hospitalized and had underlying conditions.
• A second female in her 50s from Otero County. The individual was hospitalized and had underlying conditions.
• A female in her 40s from Socorro County. The individual was hospitalized and had underlying conditions.

Yup, most were old with underlying conditions.  This is exactly what is going on in most of the country.  We should focus on protecting the vulnerable and just mitigate the risk elsewhere, instead of these mass shutdowns and insane restrictions on industries.

Edited November 15, 2020 by travelhound

[yogimax]

24 minutes ago, Tippyton said:

 

Don't let government cripple yet another industry for "the greater good".

The "greater good" as you call it are human lives!

 

So is it your view that the cruise industry is more important than your mother, father, grandparents, spouse. children?

[travelhound]

1 minute ago, yogimax said:

The "greater good" as you call it are human lives!

 

So is it your view that the cruise industry is more important than your mother, father, grandparents, spouse. children?

If they are vulnerable, then they should not go on a cruise.  It's called personal responsibility 😀

[Tippyton]

7 minutes ago, yogimax said:

The "greater good" as you call it are human lives!

 

So is it your view that the cruise industry is more important than your mother, father, grandparents, spouse. children?

Typical ignorant false comparison.  50,000 people die in car accidents, so I dont let my parents drive.  5000 annual choking deaths, so I don't let my kids eat.  Not married because somewhere between 24% and 72% of spouses cheat, so I got a divorce.

[travelhound]

8 minutes ago, Tippyton said:

Typical ignorant false comparison.  50,000 people die in car accidents, so I dont let my parents drive.  5000 annual choking deaths, so I don't let my kids eat.  Not married because somewhere between 24% and 72% of spouses cheat, so I got a divorce.

Great point 👍  

[yogimax]

8 minutes ago, Tippyton said:

Typical ignorant false comparison.  50,000 people die in car accidents, so I dont let my parents drive.  5000 annual choking deaths, so I don't let my kids eat.  Not married because somewhere between 24% and 72% of spouses cheat, so I got a divorce.

Nonsensical comparison.

 

Eating is a necessity.

Driving is a necessity.

 

Cruising is not.

[grandgeezer]

19 minutes ago, travelhound said:

If they are vulnerable, then they should not go on a cruise.  It's called personal responsibility 😀

 

They don’t have to go on a cruise, all is needed is some arrogant, selfish person to bring it home with them, after they cruise. What would you call that?

[yogimax]

20 minutes ago, travelhound said:

If they are vulnerable, then they should not go on a cruise.  It's called personal responsibility 😀

It's not just the vulnerable who are dying.  It's called caring for one another.

[yogimax]

2 minutes ago, Heymarco said:

Earning a living and keeping economy alive is not a necessity? 🤔 

245,000 consumers have died.

 

There is a way we can fight COVID and keep the economy going.  It's not an either/or.  Fortunately, we now have a task force in place that will eventually do that.  

[Tippyton]

Yogimax I don't know you but i truly care for you.  If you are uncomfortable don't go on a cruise.  Please.  An industry of over a million people employed is shut down.  Millions more want to cruise again but can't.  I understand it's a want and not a need.  Free enterprise and freedom means we get to choose our wants and pursue them with abandon with minimal interference by the likes of Blumenthal, the government as a whole, or folks like yourself.  Let you do you and let me do me.

 

[Tippyton]

2 minutes ago, yogimax said:

245,000 consumers have died.

 

There is a way we can fight COVID and keep the economy going.  It's not an either/or.  Fortunately, we now have a task force in place that will eventually do that.  

A task force of political hacks and socialists.

[yogimax]

2 minutes ago, Tippyton said:

A task force of political hacks and socialists.

Sigh!

 

[ATC cruiser]

wont be long before this thread gets shut

[nocl]

5 hours ago, nelblu said:

Unless I'm missing something, it's not telling me anything.  Someone was referring to some statistics that the average weekly deaths are lower as compared to 2019.  A reason is the possibility of lower deaths by auto, etc. due to less driving.  Also, of interest the lower number of cancer and other disease deaths because of Covid.

 

Also, there's another link posted by NOCL that compares data to an expected amount.  That is like comparing not to the previous year, but to a pre-determined or budgeted amount.  And you know how right budgets are.

 

To confuse the issue, I googled and found this article:

 

https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2020/10/covid_problems_cdcs_method_of_estimating_expected_deaths_and_excess_deaths_is_misleading.html

 

Please don't flame me out.

 

 

yes that will get you articles on both side of the issue read them all and then decide which side is more credible.

[travelhound]

1 hour ago, grandgeezer said:

 

They don’t have to go on a cruise, all is needed is some arrogant, selfish person to bring it home with them, after they cruise. What would you call that?

If I lived with someone who was vulnerable, I would not go on a cruise.  Again it's called personal responsibility 😀

[zalusky]

3 minutes ago, travelhound said:

If I lived with someone who was vulnerable, I would not go on a cruise.  Again it's called personal responsibility 😀

Except many many people are not practicing that.  Look at the 250,000 peo-lie who went to the motorcycle rally in Sturgess.  People who go to bars and have a few start forgetting personal responsibility.   We have seat belt laws for a reason because lots of people did not take personal responsibility.

[suzyluvs2cruise]

1 hour ago, yogimax said:

245,000 consumers have died.

 

There is a way we can fight COVID and keep the economy going.  It's not an either/or.  Fortunately, we now have a task force in place that will eventually do that.  

 

So you're saying the "new" task force will be able to make everything better? 

Edited November 15, 2020 by suzyluvs2cruise

[travelhound]

2 minutes ago, zalusky said:

Except many many people are not practicing that.  Look at the 250,000 peo-lie who went to the motorcycle rally in Sturgess.  People who go to bars and have a few start forgetting personal responsibility.   We have seat belt laws for a reason because lots of people did not take personal responsibility.

The problem with that logic is that we seem to have selective enforcement.  For example, it's okay for tens of thousands of protesters to march on the freeway, but God forbid if I want to go on a cruise.  In the end, it's the personal responsibility of all of us to protect the vulnerable people around us.  It's not going to be perfect, but life is not perfect.

[travelhound]

9 minutes ago, suzyluvs2cruise said:

 

So you're saying the "new" task force will be able to make everything better? 

That reminds me of the nine most terrifying words in the English language "I'm from the government and I'm here to help"  😀

[yogimax]

18 minutes ago, suzyluvs2cruise said:

 

So you're saying the "new" task force will be able to make everything better? 

Yep!

[travelhound]

1 hour ago, Tippyton said:

Yogimax I don't know you but i truly care for you.  If you are uncomfortable don't go on a cruise.  Please.  An industry of over a million people employed is shut down.  Millions more want to cruise again but can't.  I understand it's a want and not a need.  Free enterprise and freedom means we get to choose our wants and pursue them with abandon with minimal interference by the likes of Blumenthal, the government as a whole, or folks like yourself.  Let you do you and let me do me.

 

Good point 👍

[zalusky]

54 minutes ago, travelhound said:

The problem with that logic is that we seem to have selective enforcement.  For example, it's okay for tens of thousands of protesters to march on the freeway, but God forbid if I want to go on a cruise.  In the end, it's the personal responsibility of all of us to protect the vulnerable people around us.  It's not going to be perfect, but life is not perfect.

it’s not ok for them to block the freeway either.

 

I am a little bit ambivalent as The immature side of me sort of want natural consequences to kick in and watch a lot of people die from their stupidity.

[MommaBear55]

12 minutes ago, zalusky said:

it’s not ok for them to block the freeway either.

 

I am a little bit ambivalent as The immature side of me sort of want natural consequences to kick in and watch a lot of people die from their stupidity.

The problem is that the stupid carry it to other people. There was a wedding of 66 people in Maine, there ended up being almost 200 cases as a direct result, including many at a nursing home and at the jail. None of those who died had been at the wedding. The pastor who officiated at the wedding said afterwards "faith over fear". 

[travelhound]

8 minutes ago, zalusky said:

it’s not ok for them to block the freeway either.

 

I am a little bit ambivalent as The immature side of me sort of want natural consequences to kick in and watch a lot of people die from their stupidity.

Yup, it's the grand debate that the whole nation is having right now.  What is the proper role of government?  How much do we depend on the government to solve our problems?  Clearly we are not going to solve these problems on Cruise Critic.  Personally I am tired of the political hyperbole and I just want to drink a Corona on a cruise ship and find the closest cabin to the buffet.  Can somebody help me with that? 😀