The madness of the upcoming virus cruise policies

[TwoMisfits]

21 hours ago, dswallow said:

Up till now there were basically two possibilities:

 

1) No sailings.

 

2) Some sailings from near-US ports but with vaccination requirements.

 

Nobody - NOBODY - has said vaccinations will be required forever. But what is very clear, is the alternative to a few ships offering vaccination-only cruises in the coming months is to have no ships providing cruises in the coming months.

 

On the other hand, for all the craziness this topic has brought out in some people, I look forward to being on at least a few sailings without them.

 

Anything to motivate the CDC to move forward in some way is a good thing at this point. But there's otherwise nothing Royal Caribbean can do about sailings from US ports until the CDC lets something move forward in some way. This vaccination-only approach on a few ships seems to be what Royal Caribbean has managed to arrange with appropriate authorities in the Caribbean, Bermuda and Mexico right now. If you don't like it, see #1 above. That's what you'd otherwise have right now. So...

 

That was my thinking last summer with my county government and it made for my area having an awesome, yet still safe, summer.  You've got to start the wheel turning somehow to get it rolling.  If it takes the world's dumbest policies on the world's smallest ships for a few weeks or even a few months to prove everyone doesn't instantly die and the Coast Guard doesn't have to save and quarantine 4000 folks, then you support the policies for now, while pushing to keep loosening it up cruise by cruise as the "evidence" shows nothing goes wrong.

 

I mean, I would never go on the ships with these policies.  But, I'm hoping some people will, enough for the lines to keep bringing people back, getting ships back ready, and getting some tours going.

[John&LaLa]

On 3/18/2021 at 8:11 AM, livingonthebeach said:

 

Masks for life? This is the type of off-the-wall comment that completely discredits the rest of your posts, no matter how factual or logical they may seem.  

 

I don't believe cruise ships are and will be the biggest source of Covid19 spread in the world as presently they are not operational.  In the past, if you look at the numbers, the cases from cruise ships were a drop in the bucket compared to the total cases.  In the future, vaccine requirements and safety protocols will preclude super spreader events and a cruise experience (fantasy world) as you see it. 

 

 

Didn't you get the memo. He's a mask salesperson

[John&LaLa]

On 3/18/2021 at 9:38 AM, lovescats5 said:

And I suppose Ace2542 you think children should not be allowed on a cruise ship because they cannot get vaccinated yet.  You need to find a different cruise line or just stay in your house with a mask on and live your life in fear.  And I do not believe the vaccine is the answer to everything.  But most would disagree with that also.  So we get one or two shots every year and still might get sick.  Oh well.

 

Many folks feel unvaccinated children are a problem, not just Ace. 

 

Just sayin 🤷 

[Milwaukee Eight]

9 minutes ago, John&LaLa said:

 

Many folks feel unvaccinated children are a problem, not just Ace. 

 

Just sayin 🤷 

I wonder how many of those “folks” are using this just to keep kids off the ships. That maybe they don’t ever like kids on the ship. It’s going to be summer cruises and summer vacation. Expect kids. 

[John&LaLa]

1 minute ago, Milwaukee Eight said:

I wonder how many of those “folks” are using this just to keep kids off the ships. That maybe they don’t ever like kids on the ship. It’s going to be summer cruises and summer vacation. Expect kids. 

 

Gotta look for silver linings. Yours is probably banning smoking in casino😉

[Milwaukee Eight]

15 minutes ago, John&LaLa said:

 

Gotta look for silver linings. Yours is probably banning smoking in casino😉

Royal is a family oriented cruise line. Smoking banned in the Casino would be a great thing.  I fully expect kids to sail regardless of vaccine or not. 

[lovescats5]

I think it is interesting that if you get covid you will test positive asymptomatic, does this mean you are not negative so you cannot go anywhere that requires a negative result?  Then you get the vaccine and you can still infect someone with covid and you can get covid, maybe not so severe but people have died after having the vaccine, and you still have to wear the mask.  So what, exactly, is the point of the mask.  And if you get the vaccine and are suppose to be fairly safe from covid why are you so adamant about being around kids that can not get a vaccination?  Aren't you pretty safe from getting it from a kid?  

[shopaholic6]

7 hours ago, caroltovt said:

So those who will cruise with vaccinations and masks will help keep the process going for all those who refuse. I will be one of them since I just love being on a ship. To those who refuse: you are welcome.

I will too 😀 If I have to wear a mask anyway, I'd rather be on a ship doing it 🤣

[CILCIANRQTS]

9 hours ago, Milwaukee Eight said:

I wonder how many of those “folks” are using this just to keep kids off the ships. That maybe they don’t ever like kids on the ship. It’s going to be summer cruises and summer vacation. Expect kids. 

 

So you think it’s a conspiracy??

Would that be Deep State or just regular??

Why require vaccinations at all if you’re also going to board unvaccinated carriers?

[TheMastodon]

On 3/18/2021 at 11:03 AM, Empehi said:

My only comment concerning this topic is the question:

 

What is the point of the vaccinations if after you are vaccinated you have you still are required to wear masks, social distance and be tested constantly. It seems pretty absurd.

 

 

There is no point .  That’s why we are all throwing away masks and moving on with life.

[TheMastodon]

On 3/18/2021 at 7:57 AM, ace2542 said:

Cruise ships are and will be the biggest source of spread in the world for Covid 19? What other vacation type allows for such a spread? None I can think of not for a such a long period of time. So masks should be worn for life to prevent it.

 

I don't think they know how to vaccinate staff at least not very easily. It may be some time before the single shot Johnson vaccine is up for corporate purchase. So again masks should be worn for life to protect the staff.

 

Vaccines cost  companies money? Masks don't? And the staff really are now prisoners on the ships. Unvaccinated they will not be allowed off.

 

 

Masks for life?!?!?!?? Go for it.  Not me

[ace2542]

9 hours ago, Milwaukee Eight said:

Smoking banned in the Casino would be a great thing

Particularly when you consider the staff are working in that smokey environment and being exposed to the effects of passive smoking for the length of their contract. I think Cunard may have banned smoking in their casinos.

[mek]

10 hours ago, Milwaukee Eight said:

I wonder how many of those “folks” are using this just to keep kids off the ships. That maybe they don’t ever like kids on the ship. It’s going to be summer cruises and summer vacation. Expect kids. 

Well I certainly have never wanted to exclude kids because I don't want them on a ship - perhaps some people feel that way, but I don't.

Any summer cruises this year will require passports and I wonder just how many children have them?  My guess is most people haven't got them for children to cruise from the US in the past and now suddenly they will have to spend extra money for one and I think that will prevent a lot of people sailing with their children this summer outside of the US.

People here on CC may respond back that they have passports for their kids, but I don't think that is the norm.

[Milwaukee Eight]

1 hour ago, CILCIANRQTS said:

 

So you think it’s a conspiracy??

Would that be Deep State or just regular??

Why require vaccinations at all if you’re also going to board unvaccinated carriers?

Not a conspiracy. Look at the data from the CDC about school age kids. The cases show that it’s the teachers and staff that have issues and infect others. If you are vaccinated, it shouldn’t matter. 

Also, a mask shouldn’t be required. 
 

M8

[Milwaukee Eight]

39 minutes ago, mek said:

Well I certainly have never wanted to exclude kids because I don't want them on a ship - perhaps some people feel that way, but I don't.

Any summer cruises this year will require passports and I wonder just how many children have them?  My guess is most people haven't got them for children to cruise from the US in the past and now suddenly they will have to spend extra money for one and I think that will prevent a lot of people sailing with their children this summer outside of the US.

People here on CC may respond back that they have passports for their kids, but I don't think that is the norm.

I’m not sure what the requirements are for kids to cruise out of Nassau. I thought the Bahamas didn’t require a passport for kids. I used to travel by boat to the Bahamas and my kids didn’t require a passport. Matter of fact, I didn’t have a passport at the time. Just a driver’s license and I “think” my kids just required a birth certificate. Rules may have changed. 
 

M8

[Ukigirl]

I’m just thinking about the crew trying to reinforce the mask mandate, you know that there’s going to be those that walk around with masks below their nose or face and will argue and ignore the rules. I think the first several cruises passengers will be on their best behavior but you know eventually it will happen. 

[billf0401]

It would seem that our Government is doing their best to punish the cruise industry.  All other businesses are open at some level except for cruising.  I go to crowded restaurants, bars and the Big Box stores with no mask, no problem....the cruise industry must not be paying Lobbyists and Politicians as well as other industries.....

[WxNerd]

26 minutes ago, Milwaukee Eight said:

I’m not sure what the requirements are for kids to cruise out of Nassau. I thought the Bahamas didn’t require a passport for kids. I used to travel by boat to the Bahamas and my kids didn’t require a passport. Matter of fact, I didn’t have a passport at the time. Just a driver’s license and I “think” my kids just required a birth certificate. Rules may have changed. 
 

M8

Passport is required for everyone reentering the US by air. Different rules of you enter the country by land or sea. 
 

https://help.cbp.gov/s/article/Article-3618?language=en_US

[florida eagle]

2 hours ago, CILCIANRQTS said:

 

So you think it’s a conspiracy??

Would that be Deep State or just regular??

Why require vaccinations at all if you’re also going to board unvaccinated carriers?

For me it is the constant disinformation over the years and decades by people who benefit from it. All coastal areas were supposed to be submerged in water now by the edicts of elites back around 1970. A beach in New Jersey I went to which was thin enough and with high tide the water was under the boardwalk still exists. Half of Florida was supposed to be under water by now.  Building on barrier islands. Think why they are barrier islands. We love living closer to the ocean and visiting the same areas. The earth is what it is. And there are heartless tyrants who enrich themselves on the peasants. We elected people who are gonna make many poorer but keep telling us they are on our side. Anything in that is privileged is by those who work in those positions. And that is multicultural. But we have people who did not do as good and now we went from equality to equity. China will be our rulers in a couple of decades.

[ace2542]

43 minutes ago, Ukigirl said:

I’m just thinking about the crew trying to reinforce the mask mandate, you know that there’s going to be those that walk around with masks below their nose or face and will argue and ignore the rules. I think the first several cruises passengers will be on their best behavior but you know eventually it will happen. 

Especially the more drunk they get. I can see someone on a ship getting killed over this. Either passenger or crewmember. It has happened on land. Can you imagine the wrongful death suit when security do a George Floyd type thing on someone maybe.

Edited March 25, 2021 by ace2542

[Iamcruzin]

14 hours ago, Keksie said:

I am fully vaccinated and it still sounds like the worst vacation ever so my choice will be to go on road trips this year.

I get the second dose tomorrow. There is just too much speculation on all of these boards in terms of testing, masks and other policies. Having to test to get back in the U.S. is enough to keep me home. Even if the cruise line is providing the tests it's just more time to wait in line and another procedure My wife and son flew to Florida last week and didn't need to covid test. I can't see paying these inflated prices plus airfare for a modified experience.   

[Keksie]

1 minute ago, Iamcruzin said:

I get the second dose tomorrow. There is just too much speculation on all of these boards in terms of testing, masks and other policies. Having to test to get back in the U.S. is enough to keep me home. Even if the cruise line is providing the tests it's just more time to wait in line and another procedure My wife and son flew to Florida last week and didn't need to covid test. I can't see paying these inflated prices plus airfare for a modified experience.   

I agree.  There are places to go here without all the hoops and restrictions.  We are 45 minutes away from a beautiful beach.  The Black Hills of South Dakota may be our summer vacation destination.

[HxFx]

1 hour ago, mek said:

My guess is most people haven't got them for children to cruise from the US in the past and now suddenly they will have to spend extra money for one and I think that will prevent a lot of people sailing with their children this summer outside of the US.

I think passport processing is still pretty backed up as well. Could risk not getting them in time.

[pcur]

On 3/18/2021 at 3:17 AM, compman9 said:

It seems when one cruise-line details a policy, others quickly follow. Without naming names (it's not just Royal making weird decisions)

 

Passengers have to be vaccinated to travel - But you have to wear a mask !

Yes, so that you can protect others and yourself if either one of you is carrying the virus, even if you don't get COVID because you're vaccinated.

 

All passengers will need to be vaccinated - But not the ship staff, shore-side staff, baggage handlers etc ! Therefore, you should protect yourself from picking up the virus and transmitting it to an unvaccinated person.

 

You will need vaccines, masks, test certificates, be tested before you board, virtually swim in sanitizer - But all goods arriving to the quartermaster could have been handled by anyone all over the world ! That's why you need to use sanitizer and wash your hands.

 

You will have to go on a ship's tour when you leave the ship - But will be exposed to unsanitized coaches, outdoor spaces, products, food, and people ! That's why you need to be vaccinated.

 

Contradictory madness

 

 

I think of it as maintaining my own personal bubble of safety:  vaccination, mask, hand washing and using sanitizer.  I figured last March/April this would be the case, and I posted it.  It just makes sense to me:  if we all protect OURSELVES, we end up protecting others, too.  It takes a (worldwide) village.

[Milwaukee Eight]

37 minutes ago, WxNerd said:

Passport is required for everyone reentering the US by air. Different rules of you enter the country by land or sea. 
 

https://help.cbp.gov/s/article/Article-3618?language=en_US

Thanks. Looks like Air travel is different that by boat (Sea).