doneall50 Posted March 26, 2021 #1 Share Posted March 26, 2021 FL Gov DeSantis and Atty Gen Moody held a meeting with cruise industry execs in Port Canaveral this morning regarding restarting cruising in the US by July. Consensus seems to be that unelected bureaucrats, the CDC, should not have the power to shut down an entire industry and then just “kick the can” rather than engaging. Atty Gen Moody says FL will “take all legal action as necessary” with the federal govt to get cruising started again. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulh84 Posted March 26, 2021 #2 Share Posted March 26, 2021 The USCG, CBP, HHS, CDC, OMB and every other agency and regulatory entity involved..... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare Host Jazzbeau Posted March 26, 2021 #3 Share Posted March 26, 2021 Nothing but opinions here... 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
howiefrommd Posted March 26, 2021 #4 Share Posted March 26, 2021 Pure theater. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare Ken the cruiser Posted March 26, 2021 #5 Share Posted March 26, 2021 (edited) 16 minutes ago, Host Jazzbeau said: Nothing but opinions here... BUT, at least key Florida officials seem to be jumping in to help the cruise lines get started sailing again. Up until this point it sure appeared, from over here in the cheap seats, things were pretty much at a standstill for cruising to restart in July, well after a variety of vaccines will have been easily accessible. At least it's something.🤞 Edited March 26, 2021 by Ken the cruiser 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare cruisestitch Posted March 26, 2021 #6 Share Posted March 26, 2021 Just what kind of “legal action as necessary” are they talking about? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeremiah1212 Posted March 26, 2021 #7 Share Posted March 26, 2021 If the states wanted to help, they would offer to shift their vaccine supply to crew. No one is really talking about that part. How are these people getting vaccinated, especially at a rate high enough to staff full ships? Rightfully so, all of the seniors, high risk people and other groups will limited access to vaccines would be thrilled to know the supply is going to the pool bartender instead of themselves. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grandgeezer Posted March 26, 2021 #8 Share Posted March 26, 2021 So soon? It’s only been shutdown for 12 1/2 months. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGW59 Posted March 26, 2021 #9 Share Posted March 26, 2021 2 minutes ago, cruisestitch said: Just what kind of “legal action as necessary” are they talking about? are the going to sue the federal govt? Thinking, right that will not happen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grandgeezer Posted March 26, 2021 #10 Share Posted March 26, 2021 Did they talk to the Department of Health and Human Services, they oversee the CDC? Did they talk to Washington political people, example the Executive Branch? Probably not. All these accusers are is a bunch of attention getting prima donnas. It's the equivalent to someone contacting the CEO of Celebrity because their room steward didn't clean their room fast or good enough. The person could have contacted the housekeeping manager and hotel director. The sad part is if they get their way, they'll be heroes rather than the ones that let this drag on for so ling before taking action. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Auntiemomo Posted March 26, 2021 #11 Share Posted March 26, 2021 18 minutes ago, LGW59 said: are the going to sue the federal govt? Thinking, right that will not happen Oh, it's happened many times, and too many to count. State Governments get sued all the time also. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare mac_tlc Posted March 26, 2021 #12 Share Posted March 26, 2021 1 hour ago, howiefrommd said: Pure theater. Exactly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulh84 Posted March 26, 2021 #13 Share Posted March 26, 2021 Full disclosure, I did not watch the entire video. I did pick up on the fact that Florida is essentially crippled without the cruise industry. Can someone tell me the point to skip to where the panel offers a plan and solutions that may help the cruiselines and the industry? Like securing quarantine facilities if necessary, maybe help with preboarding testing and lab work, additional medical staff for ships if they needed to dispatch help, transportation if people are sick, perhaps getting crew and port employees vaccinated? Essentially anything to be met with a response that is in direct opposition to his statements a year ago where 'sick' people couldn't come spread their disease on Florida shores? I must have missed that part. Or just threaten to sue 🤷♂️ 7 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gerelmx Posted March 26, 2021 #14 Share Posted March 26, 2021 With departures opening at no Florida ports, they feel like business is getting out of hand. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare Ken the cruiser Posted March 26, 2021 #15 Share Posted March 26, 2021 (edited) Can you feel it??? The momentum to get back to cruising is starting to shift! Could it be the light is getting a little brighter? I sure can. It first started around the time when the folks in Alaska started causing waves regarding the temporary waiver to portions of the PVSA when Canada decided to close their cruise ports until early 2022. They didn't succeed, but at least they tried. Then there's the UK decision to allow local cruises to nowhere to start up in the next few months for their local residents. And then just recently when Crystal and Royal Caribbean decided to start cruising out of the Bahamas, Bermuda and St Maarten. I sure can ... Edited March 26, 2021 by Ken the cruiser 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare hcat Posted March 26, 2021 #16 Share Posted March 26, 2021 We were in Florida for several months this year...We were impressed. Even if this effort can't succeed to get U.S, cruises started , it may keep the conversation about cruising in focus,. COVID economic Recovery can and should include the US cruising! Many other states have cruise ports including Alaska, Washington, Texas, Carolinas, NJ, NY, Louisiana, Ca , Oregon, Md, Rhode Island, Mass, Maine, plus territories of Puerto Rico, US Virgin Islands. If they all pulled together through their Governor's Assocs, it might help things move ahead ( safely, of course) and help with sorely needed local jobs, related businesses like hotels, restaurants, taxi, limo , air travel, and overall local economy. Might also save the US cruise Industry??? 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare Ken the cruiser Posted March 26, 2021 #17 Share Posted March 26, 2021 7 minutes ago, paulh84 said: Can someone tell me the point to skip to where the panel offers a plan and solutions that may help the cruiselines and the industry? Like securing quarantine facilities if necessary, maybe help with preboarding testing and lab work, additional medical staff for ships if they needed to dispatch help, transportation if people are sick, perhaps getting crew and port employees vaccinated? If every adult is required to be vaccinated and minors are required to provide a negative PCR test prior to boarding, why would any of these issues be relevant? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare cruisestitch Posted March 26, 2021 #18 Share Posted March 26, 2021 I hate to be a Debbie downer, but the attempts from Alaska’s Congressional delegates was also just pure theater. The temporary waiver of the PVSA addresses only one impediment to Cruising. The Alaska congressional delegates did nothing about the requirements that cruise ship staff would all have to have US citizenship or a green card if their measure passed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulh84 Posted March 26, 2021 #19 Share Posted March 26, 2021 3 minutes ago, Ken the cruiser said: If every adult is required to be vaccinated and minors are required to provide a negative PCR test prior to boarding, why would any of these issues be relevant? According to the CLIA they haven't even opined on a vaccination policy. Not even a temporary stance for a period of time until more improvement is shown. Until then, contingency plans are needed, even if on paper. See the second video posted? Post 10. That is exactly what needs to be avoided. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare cruisestitch Posted March 26, 2021 #20 Share Posted March 26, 2021 Also, ken the cruiser, Remember that getting the vaccine is not a guarantee that you won’t get the virus. All they are telling us is that if you do get the virus after vaccination, it won’t be sufficiently severe to cause hospitalization or death. So let’s say that everyone on the ship is vaccinated, and all the crew. But some might still be carriers. They land at a port, go ashore, buy some stuff at the shops, talk to the immigration officer, get on a tour bus, go to see the sights and you might still spread the virus wherever they go 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare Ken the cruiser Posted March 26, 2021 #21 Share Posted March 26, 2021 1 minute ago, cruisestitch said: Also, ken the cruiser, Remember that getting the vaccine is not a guarantee that you won’t get the virus. All they are telling us is that if you do get the virus after vaccination, it won’t be sufficiently severe to cause hospitalization or death. So let’s say that everyone on the ship is vaccinated, and all the crew. But some might still be carriers. They land at a port, go ashore, buy some stuff at the shops, talk to the immigration officer, get on a tour bus, go to see the sights and you might still spread the virus wherever they go Not an issue if you're only allowed to disembark on cruiseline sponsored excursions. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare mom says Posted March 26, 2021 #22 Share Posted March 26, 2021 (edited) 2 hours ago, doneall50 said: FL Gov DeSantis and Atty Gen Moody held a meeting with cruise industry execs in Port Canaveral this morning regarding restarting cruising in the US by July. Consensus seems to be that unelected bureaucrats, the CDC, should not have the power to shut down an entire industry and then just “kick the can” rather than engaging. Atty Gen Moody says FL will “take all legal action as necessary” with the federal govt to get cruising started again. Pure political posturing. And if the experts in the field in question ( these unelected bureaucrats) aren't the ones qualified to make these decisions, why would you allow elected officials with something to gain, but with no deep knowledge of the subject, to do it? Florida hasn't exactly been the poster child for responsible COVID management. This is just more of that. Edited March 26, 2021 by mom says 13 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare Ken the cruiser Posted March 26, 2021 #23 Share Posted March 26, 2021 5 minutes ago, paulh84 said: According to the CLIA they haven't even opined on a vaccination policy. Not even a temporary stance for a period of time until more improvement is shown. Until then, contingency plans are needed, even if on paper. See the second video posted? Post 10. That is exactly what needs to be avoided. But if that was a requirement the cruise lines agreed to, would these issues still be relevant? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare mom says Posted March 26, 2021 #24 Share Posted March 26, 2021 1 minute ago, Ken the cruiser said: Not an issue if you're only allowed to disembark on cruiseline sponsored excursions. But what about the positive cases that do show up on the ship? Is DeSantis going to welcome them back with open arms and provide treatment and quarantine facilities for them? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGW59 Posted March 26, 2021 #25 Share Posted March 26, 2021 2 minutes ago, mom says said: But what about the positive cases that do show up on the ship? Is DeSantis going to welcome them back with open arms and provide treatment and quarantine facilities for them? Based on the evidenced produced here earlier, only if they live in FL 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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