Solarium now 18+

[WrittenOnYourHeart]

14 minutes ago, mjkacmom said:

We just had a fire in our district, they went remote for 4 days, parents lost their minds. It’s for emergencies only.

 

Exactly! I should have said "or other emergencies resulting in schools being closed" as well.

[ceo418]

On 10/6/2023 at 7:18 PM, coffeebean said:

Sorry. I don't agree. I think it is abhorable that kids are taking up seats at a bar coloring with crayons when adults may want those seats to order cocktails sit at the bar.

What if I order a cocktail and sit at the bar with a coloring book? Is that also "abhorable", or acceptable because I'm ordering alcohol?

[Ocean Boy]

1 minute ago, ceo418 said:

What if I order a cocktail and sit at the bar with a coloring book? Is that also "abhorable", or acceptable because I'm ordering alcohol?

Would you actually do that?🤔

[ceo418]

6 minutes ago, Ocean Boy said:

Would you actually do that?🤔

There are "grown-up" coloring books available. If I'm having a drink at the bar and working on a picture, how is that different from someone else sitting at the bar with a drink and having a conversation with someone for the same amount of time?  

(I do agree that the kids in question didn't need to be sitting at the bar. But I guess the attitude of a person can only sit there if they are drinking alcohol just pushed me to respond.)

[Ocean Boy]

5 minutes ago, ceo418 said:

There are "grown-up" coloring books available. If I'm having a drink at the bar and working on a picture, how is that different from someone else sitting at the bar with a drink and having a conversation with someone for the same amount of time?  

(I do agree that the kids in question didn't need to be sitting at the bar. But I guess the attitude of a person can only sit there if they are drinking alcohol just pushed me to respond.)

A lot of words for a yes or no question.

[ceo418]

22 minutes ago, Ocean Boy said:

A lot of words for a yes or no question.

Yes.

[Keksie]

All these breaks are amazing. I don't think we even got one day off for Columbus Day.  We just went to school and studied Chris and all the other explorers.  No Fall Break, maybe a little time off around Easter, Thanksgiving long weekend and a week at Christmas.  School started after Labor Day and was finished before June.  

[Billy Baltic]

10 hours ago, ceo418 said:

There are "grown-up" coloring books available. If I'm having a drink at the bar and working on a picture, how is that different from someone else sitting at the bar with a drink and having a conversation with someone for the same amount of time?  

(I do agree that the kids in question didn't need to be sitting at the bar. But I guess the attitude of a person can only sit there if they are drinking alcohol just pushed me to respond.)

There seems to be a ‘type’ of person on CC who consider kids to be second class. It seems they also consider bars places where you must drink alcohol. If they see an adult sitting at the bar ordering an orange juice they’re going to ask them to sit elsewhere. 

[Charles4515]

3 hours ago, Billy Baltic said:

There seems to be a ‘type’ of person on CC who consider kids to be second class. It seems they also consider bars places where you must drink alcohol. If they see an adult sitting at the bar ordering an orange juice they’re going to ask them to sit elsewhere. 

Minors don’t have the same rights as adults. They can’t go to a bar without a parent or guardian. Minors are treated as a different class. In the US, states have different laws. In some states minors are not allowed at the bar or in the bar area. In other states it is up to the owner of the establishment but they can’t serve alcohol to minors. 

[not-enough-cruising]

4 hours ago, Billy Baltic said:

There seems to be a ‘type’ of person on CC who consider kids to be second class. It seems they also consider bars places where you must drink alcohol. If they see an adult sitting at the bar ordering an orange juice they’re going to ask them to sit elsewhere. 

Minors are a "different class"; no question about it.  They do not receive all the same considerations and have access to the same experiences as adults.

[Ocean Boy]

6 hours ago, Billy Baltic said:

There seems to be a ‘type’ of person on CC who consider kids to be second class. It seems they also consider bars places where you must drink alcohol. If they see an adult sitting at the bar ordering an orange juice they’re going to ask them to sit elsewhere. 

Do you have an issue with "second class" kids not being allowed in the Solarium? What would be your thoughts about going to the Schooner Bar and finding that a group of kids decided to make that their hangout for the night and your options are either stand or leave? Any thoughts about having a kids club on the ship where you are not allowed to go?

[mjkacmom]

15 hours ago, Keksie said:

All these breaks are amazing. I don't think we even got one day off for Columbus Day.  We just went to school and studied Chris and all the other explorers.  No Fall Break, maybe a little time off around Easter, Thanksgiving long weekend and a week at Christmas.  School started after Labor Day and was finished before June.  

I’m pushing 60, live in the same town I grew up in, same school schedule (school starts after Labor Day and ends the end of June). All states have legal requirements and they’re pretty similar.

[S.A.M.J.R.]

49 minutes ago, Ocean Boy said:

Do you have an issue with "second class" kids not being allowed in the Solarium? What would be your thoughts about going to the Schooner Bar and finding that a group of kids decided to make that their hangout for the night and your options are either stand or leave? Any thoughts about having a kids club on the ship where you are not allowed to go?

Is there a prohibition against kids in the Schooner Bar like there is in the Solarium?  If so, then Royal should not let the kids hang out.  If not, that's an "apples and oranges" comparison.  

 

If someone claimed "Adults shouldn't use the Flow Rider, they're taking up space the kids can use", the pitchforks would come out.  Adults can use the Flow Rider just like kids are allowed to use bar stools/tables. 

[Ocean Boy]

9 minutes ago, S.A.M.J.R. said:

Is there a prohibition against kids in the Schooner Bar like there is in the Solarium?  If so, then Royal should not let the kids hang out.  If not, that's an "apples and oranges" comparison.  

 

If someone claimed "Adults shouldn't use the Flow Rider, they're taking up space the kids can use", the pitchforks would come out.  Adults can use the Flow Rider just like kids are allowed to use bar stools/tables. 

I'm sure RCI would love to have kids take over one of the lounges. I'm sure the bartenders would live it too.🙄

[S.A.M.J.R.]

1 hour ago, Ocean Boy said:

I'm sure RCI would love to have kids take over one of the lounges. I'm sure the bartenders would live it too.🙄

If they don't like it, they can limit it.  Bottom line, unless RCI prohibits kids from being bars, they're allowed to be there.  Whether it's at a table or sitting at a bar stool.  Just like adults are allowed on the Flow Rider.  

[Ocean Boy]

12 minutes ago, S.A.M.J.R. said:

If they don't like it, they can limit it.  Bottom line, unless RCI prohibits kids from being bars, they're allowed to be there.  Whether it's at a table or sitting at a bar stool.  Just like adults are allowed on the Flow Rider.  

I didn't say kids were not allowed. My question to a previous poster was how do they feel about those second class kids not being allowed in the Solarium. I was not making any "apples and oranges" comparisons or any other comparisons for that matter.

[Billy Baltic]

5 hours ago, Charles4515 said:

In the US, states have different laws.

Does RC follow these laws?

[Billy Baltic]

3 hours ago, Ocean Boy said:

Do you have an issue with "second class" kids not being allowed in the Solarium? What would be your thoughts about going to the Schooner Bar and finding that a group of kids decided to make that their hangout for the night and your options are either stand or leave? Any thoughts about having a kids club on the ship where you are not allowed to go?

No issue at all with an area, like the solarium, being adult only. Lots of RC family entertainment takes places in bars and lounges. If seats at the bar are free then I’m don’t care if kids sit there. I would sit there with my kids because there is planned entertainment geared for them in that venue. 
Maybe look at the cruise compass in more detail and see the family entertainment that takes place; the times it takes place and where it happens. 

[Ocean Boy]

3 minutes ago, Billy Baltic said:

No issue at all with an area, like the solarium, being adult only. Lots of RC family entertainment takes places in bars and lounges. If seats at the bar are free then I’m don’t care if kids sit there. I would sit there with my kids because there is planned entertainment geared for them in that venue. 
Maybe look at the cruise compass in more detail and see the family entertainment that takes place; the times it takes place and where it happens. 

I am pretty aware of what and where things are going on around the ship, thanks. I also have no issue with families enjoying entertainment around the ship.

[Billy Baltic]

5 hours ago, not-enough-cruising said:

They do not receive all the same considerations and have access to the same experiences as adults.

I don’t disagree with that but those restrictions are called out by RC. e.g.  casino , nightclub, solarium. I’ve yet to be on a ship where they say kids can’t sit on a bar stool. 

[Billy Baltic]

Just now, Ocean Boy said:

I am pretty aware of what and where things are going on around the ship, thanks. I also have no issue with families enjoying entertainment around the ship.

As long as they don’t sit at a bar?

[Ocean Boy]

8 minutes ago, Billy Baltic said:

As long as they don’t sit at a bar?

You think that some little kid sitting at a bar coloring in a book is there for the venue's entertainment?

[not-enough-cruising]

17 minutes ago, Billy Baltic said:

I don’t disagree with that but those restrictions are called out by RC. e.g.  casino , nightclub, solarium. I’ve yet to be on a ship where they say kids can’t sit on a bar stool. 

People don’t need a corporation to define

for them appropriate behavior and decorum for children. 
Children have no business sitting AT the bar, and I have no problem asking the “parents” to remove them. 

[sgmn]

39 minutes ago, Billy Baltic said:

Does RC follow these laws?

I think they follow the law of the country the cruise departs from. For instance in USA they can only drink alcohol from 21 years, in Europe its 18 years

On my last cruise the napkin folding demo was held in the schooner bar and two children aged around 10 did a great demonstration of folding a napkin into a ship  after the crew member had finished. I was very impressed with a) their skill and b) their confidence 

Edited October 15, 2023 by sgmn

[S.A.M.J.R.]

7 minutes ago, not-enough-cruising said:

Children have no business sitting AT the bar, and I have no problem asking the “parents” to remove them. 

They can't order (non-alcoholic) drinks?   What's so special about AT the bar?