ststus match.Will CCL follow suit?

[firefly333]

On 5/30/2024 at 7:45 PM, Essiesmom said:

Royal and Celebrity have been matching for years.  What’s new is they added Silversea.  EM

The big thing for most I know is now the top tier pinnacles can match zenith on celebrity. Before the status match didnt go above elite. I hope to hit pinnacle but just no showed for the 2nd time in may for q cruise. I hope to be pinnacle next year. So this is big for those high loyalty.

[firefly333]

16 hours ago, jimbo5544 said:

I get confused easily, how does one person book 21 rooms?  It is a rhetorical question.

I did a 14 day journey cruise in January and we had close to 1500 no shows. When you just pay fees and taxes which are refunded for no shows, it snt a big deal to decide to not go.

 

It was very nice, hardly any lines anywhere, even the stir fry rarely had more than 5 waiting. Elevators no waiting. They wouldnt tell us exactly how many no shows, could have been as low as 1300, but some said more like 1500. But a lot didnt show for their free casino cruise.

[jimbo5544]

12 minutes ago, firefly333 said:

I did a 14 day journey cruise in January and we had close to 1500 no shows. When you just pay fees and taxes which are refunded for no shows, it snt a big deal to decide to not go.

 

It was very nice, hardly any lines anywhere, even the stir fry rarely had more than 5 waiting. Elevators no waiting. They wouldnt tell us exactly how many no shows, could have been as low as 1300, but some said more like 1500. But a lot didnt show for their free casino cruise.

Lots wrong with that.  That said, my point was that regardless iof how many offers, there are only so many cabins.  They could have thousands of free offers, but once cabins are gone, they are gone.

 

[STLCARDS82]

On 5/31/2024 at 3:39 AM, BlerkOne said:

No. Bribing customers isn't part of Carnival's business model. People cruise the Carnival brands because they want to.

Or they don't want to cruise carnival because they want to

[BlerkOne]

4 minutes ago, STLCARDS82 said:

Or they don't want to cruise carnival because they want to

Carnival still sails full regardless. Fun ships with fun people!

[firefly333]

57 minutes ago, BlerkOne said:

Carnival still sails full regardless. Fun ships with fun people!

As above 1300 to 1500 no shows on dream last January is not sailing full. 

 

It showed as sold out for a lomg time. Carnival didnt change the wording that a valid passport was required for ports either it was colon panama or Columbia which caused a lot of confusion. It showed sold out si ce April 2023 right up to a few days before final payment due when carnival sent out the notice a passport was required. Seems some PVPs told otherwise, so there could be valid reasons why last  minute so many no shows, but we certainly did not sail full. It was a lovely cruise they missed. This was one of their special journey cruises and one of my favorite cruises ever. 

 

But showing it as sold out for over 6 months then suddenly there are cabins to book. Those who are managing inventory have some work to do. I'm also looking at it as a stock holder, I have quite a few shares underwater. I'll wait, no problem, as I'm sure ccl will come back but it was poorly managed giving out the info last minute a passport was required to board. I even had people arguing with me on social media it's a round trip no passport required. I knew because I'd done a similar route and I quoted google to them, people still argued for a round trip cruise passports are not required, google was wrong. Carnival should have been clearer imo. That's a lot of no shows. 

 

I know you are a loyal cheerleader and never see that carnival ever could have made communication more clear. We wouldn't change each others mind. I turned diamond that trip so I'm a happy calmer and the food was extra extra good. But that's a high number of no shows.

[Elaine5715]

4 hours ago, firefly333 said:

I did a 14 day journey cruise in January and we had close to 1500 no shows. When you just pay fees and taxes which are refunded for no shows, it snt a big deal to decide to not go.

 

It was very nice, hardly any lines anywhere, even the stir fry rarely had more than 5 waiting. Elevators no waiting. They wouldnt tell us exactly how many no shows, could have been as low as 1300, but some said more like 1500. But a lot didnt show for their free casino cruise.

Current casino offers contain penalties for no shows

[Elaine5715]

23 hours ago, Saint Greg said:

Easy to do when you give all the rooms away. 
 

 

You can book multiple cruises under these offers/still one per sailing

[jimbo5544]

So you agree it is wrong.

[Tom-n-Cheryl]

6 hours ago, firefly333 said:

The big thing for most I know is now the top tier pinnacles can match zenith on celebrity. Before the status match didnt go above elite. I hope to hit pinnacle but just no showed for the 2nd time in may for q cruise. I hope to be pinnacle next year. So this is big for those high loyalty.

 

Pinnacle and Zenith are TRUE top tiers, with benefits to back it up. Granted, you've laid out the $ to get there!

 

Tom

[jimbo5544]

1 hour ago, Tom-n-Cheryl said:

 

Pinnacle and Zenith are TRUE top tiers, with benefits to back it up. Granted, you've laid out the $ to get there!

 

Tom

In spades

 

[BlerkOne]

6 hours ago, Elaine5715 said:

Current casino offers contain penalties for no shows

A charge will be made for smoking in a cabin. How often does that happen?

[jimbo5544]

7 hours ago, BlerkOne said:

A charge will be made for smoking in a cabin. How often does that happen?

I  cannot ever remember reading a post here about someone getting fined (which does not mean it did not happen).  

[Joebucks]

22 hours ago, jimbo5544 said:

The issue (may be to strong of a word) is not the desire or even consideration of doing so, it is in the complexity in the accomplishment.   Way more difficult than what RCCL is doing…

 

 

What are the difficult barriers to overcome?

[jimbo5544]

2 hours ago, Joebucks said:

 

What are the difficult barriers to overcome?

2 cruise lines (built and run similarly) vs 9 cruise lines that are part of a parent that are very different, in the way they are run, in the way they sell and are priced, in the clientele they serve .  

[Elaine5715]

5 hours ago, jimbo5544 said:

I  cannot ever remember reading a post here about someone getting fined (which does not mean it did not happen).  

There were numerous ones when they cracked down on balcony smokers

[Elaine5715]

1 hour ago, jimbo5544 said:

2 cruise lines (built and run similarly) vs 9 cruise lines that are part of a parent that are very different, in the way they are run, in the way they sell and are priced, in the clientele they serve .  

Like Carnival Diamond status matching to Cunard or Seabourn top tier? 

[jimbo5544]

2 hours ago, Elaine5715 said:

There were numerous ones when they cracked down on balcony smokers

good, hope they perfect the science

[jimbo5544]

2 hours ago, Elaine5715 said:

Like Carnival Diamond status matching to Cunard or Seabourn top tier? 

Any of the loyalty matches and attainment, easy peasey when you have two similar lines. exponentially more difficult when it is CCL, Cunard, Costa, Princess, Hal, ETC, ETC, ETC.   

[dbrown84]

Are you guys talking about something different from the fun match they offer?  Is fun match just a casino thing?

[Elaine5715]

53 minutes ago, dbrown84 said:

Are you guys talking about something different from the fun match they offer?  Is fun match just a casino thing?

Yes, fun match is a casino thing.  This is about status match VIFP levels

[DarthGrady]

On 5/31/2024 at 5:59 AM, jimbo5544 said:

The point is they do NOT have to.  They have a huge retention factor, in fact, they need to find a way slim down what they do have.

Why would a business want to reduce the numbers of returning customers?

[Old Fart Cruisers]

27 minutes ago, DarthGrady said:

Why would a business want to reduce the numbers of returning customers?

To make room for the higher profit newer cruisers who (on average), will spend much more on excursions, gift shop purchases, photo packages, Etc.

[jimbo5544]

2 hours ago, DarthGrady said:

Why would a business want to reduce the numbers of returning customers?

Of course they would not want to do that.  What I was referring to was refocusing the attainment of the loyalty levels.  Without restating everything, when you have a plat diamong event and over half the ship shows up, something is askew.  

[jimbo5544]

2 hours ago, Old Fart Cruisers said:

To make room for the higher profit newer cruisers who (on average), will spend much more on excursions, gift shop purchases, photo packages, Etc.

While it was not what I was referring to, Carnival has (for at least a long long time) been focusing on newer clients for the very reason you mention.  What that does not mean is they abandon their loyal clients.