Rare island lady Posted February 9, 2018 #126 Share Posted February 9, 2018 (edited) “Sorry that seat is taken” If he/she escalated further I’ll tell him/her to go get a steward/ess if they have a problem with me saving a seat for my wife who checked in before them but was detained by security. Pretty sure airline personnel would side with me, if they had my wife had not shown up before them. The passengers that insisted he could not save a seat were the ones without manners. Though not being able to sit together for a 45 minute flight for some reason did not put us in divorce court. :halo: But I am still not a fan of airlines that do not offer assigned seats. :( Edited February 9, 2018 by island lady Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hapster85 Posted February 9, 2018 #127 Share Posted February 9, 2018 It does. 100.00 per person NRD...500.00 per for refundable on 7 night cruises booked on board with NC.Well yeah, if you happen to be onboard, otherwise it's the full $500 per person. Hardly the same as reducing non-refundable deposits for booking in general. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare island lady Posted February 9, 2018 #128 Share Posted February 9, 2018 I'm with you Pat, but I'm at a stage in life where I can do what I want for the most part Sent from my HTC One_M8 using Forums mobile app And I love your life style!! Cruise on my friend...cruise on! And in a high style at that now! :D:cool: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare island lady Posted February 9, 2018 #129 Share Posted February 9, 2018 Well yeah, if you happen to be onboard, otherwise it's the full $500 per person. Hardly the same as reducing non-refundable deposits for booking in general. Choices...but the option is indeed there. ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikew0805 Posted February 9, 2018 #130 Share Posted February 9, 2018 Nobody WANTS to lose $100. But if it really that huge a deal financially, then yes, maybe cruising is not the best venue for you. But inside 90 days, you lose more than that if you have to cancel and do not have insurance. Well I guess since no one on here stated that losing $100 would financially ruin them, then we must be talking about not wanting to lose $100... which has been clear. :rolleyes: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zach1213 Posted February 9, 2018 #131 Share Posted February 9, 2018 The passengers that insisted he could not save a seat were the ones without manners. Though not being able to sit together for a 45 minute flight for some reason did not put us in divorce court. :halo: But I am still not a fan of airlines that do not offer assigned seats. :( The best way to show Southwest (or any airline) that you don't like their policy is, unfortunately, to not support them. There are companies I don't support anymore because of policies or past actions. Heck, I actually stayed away from Southwest for three years (not an easy task when you travel for a living!) because I had two bad experiences that they refused to resolve or acknowledge. I was eventually drawn back to them and have not had the same experiences since, but I'm still weary and don't automatically jump to Southwest like I used to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare vacationlover_mn Posted February 9, 2018 #132 Share Posted February 9, 2018 I like it, but only because we book way in advance for exactly what we want and to date, we haven’t had to change our plans... and it appears to save us a tiny bit of money :) Sent from my iPhone using Forums Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Havingfun2010 Posted February 9, 2018 #133 Share Posted February 9, 2018 I think there are some interesting psychological factors at play here that I'm sure RCI has considered but customer behavior is a very interesting thing. It's pretty clearly established for example, I guess, that the psychological difference between $9.99 and $10.00 is worth way more than the value of the penny to the merchant. So, take a cruiser that simply cannot risk booking nonrefundable -- for whatever reason, work, life, etc. You price the cruise at $1700 for nonrefundable and $1950 for refundable. The cruiser looks at that and thinks, "I'm being charged a $250 penalty for having an inflexible job situation" (or whatever). But, really, the underlying question is, would this same cruiser have minded paying $1950 for the very same cabin on the very same cruise if there were no such thing as nonrefundable fares? That is, if $1950 had simply been lowest price offered to the public, would it change behavior? I bet in some cases it would -- just like when you see an item is "80 percent off" it makes the price of $200 look better than if there were no "sale". It's to me a fascinating question. In the end, though, I think it's kind of a false question. The truth is that if there were no nonrefundable fares, the price of the cruise would actually probably be less than $1950. They are charging a premium for the flexibility. I'm sure they have some data and it works out for them, but it is a pretty interesting marketing question. Very interesting thoughts. Isn't this the same as buying insurance in case you can't go on the trip? I buy an annual medical policy which isn't much money for two people, but so many people buy cancel for any reason and all the other little things. They are buying just in case. Well, the cruise line, is selling a cabin to those that are committed to going at a lower price. Those that are not committed, they charge a higher price. So you are paying more money, just like if you bought insurance, to insure you can cancel if you change your mind. Maybe RCCL is getting into the insurance scam business also. It certainly is a way of getting more money for the same product. So the customer, like myself, that buys a medical insurance rider for international travel, does not buy the normal travel insurance, makes a decision, sticks to that decision, will get the cheapest price. I'm for it. I see it a very little risk, that I can loose the money but have no real problem of doing so. I also gamble in the casino, which so I have no issue loosing money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TwizzlersAddict Posted February 9, 2018 #134 Share Posted February 9, 2018 The loss of $100 isn’t fun,but I’m not loyal to Royal and don’t always cruise with them every year. So the FCC would be like an unwanted tether to Royal. I’m sure that’s part of the point,if you do decide to cancel or change, you feel compelled to book something with them or lose the entire deposit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zach1213 Posted February 9, 2018 #135 Share Posted February 9, 2018 The loss of $100 isn’t fun,but I’m not loyal to Royal and don’t always cruise with them every year. So the FCC would be like an unwanted tether to Royal. I’m sure that’s part of the point,if you do decide to cancel or change, you feel compelled to book something with them or lose the entire deposit Yep, very true. Having spoken to a couple of revenue management people at Southwest, it's the same reason they do it...in addition to differentiating themselves from the pack, they have your money either way. If you give Southwest $200 and then the fare changes and you get $50 of it "back" as a credit, Southwest still has your $200, but you feel obligated to fly Southwest again (which will cost more than $50, most likely) and they get an additional $150 out of you again. Pretty smart way to play both sides. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EJNutz Posted February 9, 2018 #136 Share Posted February 9, 2018 In the UK and I believe elsewhere in the world aprt from USA and Canada it has always been non refundable deposits and no other option offered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
emdia43 Posted February 9, 2018 #137 Share Posted February 9, 2018 Let's make this simpler; I find the T&C's onerous, so I don't book way in advance. Me too. If everyone just waited to book until one day prior to 'final payment' date, end of problem. At 91 days out we will book a NR fare.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaynay Posted February 10, 2018 #138 Share Posted February 10, 2018 Agree...have also taken the reduced rate "pay up front" for cars and hotels. And just try to get a lower fare with the airlines should the prices drop. :eek:;) Can still do that with RCI cruises non-refundable up until final payment. Yes, but I don't pay deposits to hotels a year in advance, nor do I pay full or any fare for plane tickets a year in advance. I just don't think comparing RCI's non-refundable policy is comparable to cars/hotels. And trip insurance covers them (hotels & airfare) differently - seriously - RCI reimbursement is to the booked individuals and not the person depositing/paying for the cruise? Again, not the same as car rentals/planes/hotels. I don't book suites, just balconies, no complaints!!! and miss the old way of reserving. We both work, and do land vacations and cruise about every 3rd year, sometimes more, sometimes less. We've been diamond for awhile. It just seems to get harder to book what you want through RCI every time we come back to cruise. 😤We love RCI and the cruises, but not the booking experience. In October we were in Europe when I booked our next cruise while onboard and was blown away by all these refund/non-refund changes. The poor loyalty ambassador! But we do love cruising when we can.😍 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare John&LaLa Posted February 10, 2018 #139 Share Posted February 10, 2018 How do you avoid paying air fare up front? Sent from my HTC One_M8 using Forums mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ARandomTraveler Posted February 10, 2018 #140 Share Posted February 10, 2018 Is it 90 days for 7 day cruises now? :o When did it change from 75 days to 90? I’m wondering because the final payment date on my invoice says the penalty starts at day 74. I booked the cruise a long time ago, so I’m wondering if the 90 day change was in effect for most people on my ship, and if that means that price drops will start happening between days 89-76 when I can still get a price drop because my personal final payment date is later than most peoples. Or, did the 90 day thing just go into effect in the last couple months? Sent from my iPhone using Forums Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clarea Posted February 10, 2018 #141 Share Posted February 10, 2018 When did it change from 75 days to 90? I’m wondering because the final payment date on my invoice says the penalty starts at day 74. I booked the cruise a long time ago, so I’m wondering if the 90 day change was in effect for most people on my ship, and if that means that price drops will start happening between days 89-76 when I can still get a price drop because my personal final payment date is later than most peoples. Or, did the 90 day thing just go into effect in the last couple months? March 2016. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ARandomTraveler Posted February 10, 2018 #142 Share Posted February 10, 2018 March 2016. Neat, thanks! I booked before that. My cruise was released last April (2017) so is it safe to assume most people booked for my cruise have the 90 day requirement and that I might benefit from some of those price drops that happen after final payment? Sent from my iPhone using Forums Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clarea Posted February 10, 2018 #143 Share Posted February 10, 2018 Neat, thanks! I booked before that. My cruise was released last April (2017) so is it safe to assume most people booked for my cruise have the 90 day requirement and that I might benefit from some of those price drops that happen after final payment? Sounds like a good possibility. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaynay Posted February 10, 2018 #144 Share Posted February 10, 2018 How do you avoid paying air fare up front? Sent from my HTC One_M8 using Forums mobile app I don't pay airfare until 6 or so weeks out. I usually book, aka deposit, a cruise a year or longer out. Everything is planned around the cruise. 😃 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ARandomTraveler Posted February 10, 2018 #145 Share Posted February 10, 2018 Sounds like a good possibility. Excellent Sent from my iPhone using Forums Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare island lady Posted February 10, 2018 #146 Share Posted February 10, 2018 The best way to show Southwest (or any airline) that you don't like their policy is, unfortunately, to not support them. There are companies I don't support anymore because of policies or past actions. Heck, I actually stayed away from Southwest for three years (not an easy task when you travel for a living!) because I had two bad experiences that they refused to resolve or acknowledge. I was eventually drawn back to them and have not had the same experiences since, but I'm still weary and don't automatically jump to Southwest like I used to. Have not flew with Southwest since that incident. ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare island lady Posted February 10, 2018 #147 Share Posted February 10, 2018 Yes, but I don't pay deposits to hotels a year in advance, nor do I pay full or any fare for plane tickets a year in advance. I just don't think comparing RCI's non-refundable policy is comparable to cars/hotels. And trip insurance covers them (hotels & airfare) differently - seriously - RCI reimbursement is to the booked individuals and not the person depositing/paying for the cruise? Again, not the same as car rentals/planes/hotels. I don't book suites, just balconies, no complaints!!! and miss the old way of reserving. We both work, and do land vacations and cruise about every 3rd year, sometimes more, sometimes less. We've been diamond for awhile. It just seems to get harder to book what you want through RCI every time we come back to cruise. ��We love RCI and the cruises, but not the booking experience. In October we were in Europe when I booked our next cruise while onboard and was blown away by all these refund/non-refund changes. The poor loyalty ambassador! But we do love cruising when we can.�� That's why there is a choice of NFD and refundable. I have said it many times already...choice is a good thing. NFD is not for everyone. I have simply stated that it works for me and saves me hundreds of dollars a year. ;) BTW: Loyalty Ambassadors don't book cruises on board. Only Next Cruise department does. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biker19 Posted February 10, 2018 #148 Share Posted February 10, 2018 My cruise was released last April (2017) so is it safe to assume most people booked for my cruise have the 90 day requirement and that I might benefit from some of those price drops that happen after final payment? The timing of price drops after final does't seem to have been affected by final payment being moved from 75 to 90 days. Sizable ones still seem to happen about 60 days out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davekathy Posted February 10, 2018 #149 Share Posted February 10, 2018 That's why there is a choice of NFD and refundable. I have said it many times already...choice is a good thing. NFD is not for everyone. I have simply stated thatit works for me and saves me hundreds of dollars a year. ;) BTW: Loyalty Ambassadors don't book cruises on board. Only Next Cruise department does. Agree. All of our past and future cruises were booked before the choice of RD or NRD. Earlier I assumed it was a reasonable price. So I just checked our future cruises and compared. No way would I choose to book a RD. I don't do it with airfare. My wife and I have a deal. If one of us dies the survivor will put the deceased on ice and deal with it when back from the cruise.;):D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biker19 Posted February 10, 2018 #150 Share Posted February 10, 2018 If one of us dies the survivor will put the deceased on ice and deal with it when back from the cruise.;):D That's hard core dedication to cruising.:eek: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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