Cafedumonde Posted July 30, 2018 #351 Share Posted July 30, 2018 Inanimate objects are never good or bad for the environment. Lazy humans are bad for the environment. agree Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cafedumonde Posted July 30, 2018 #352 Share Posted July 30, 2018 You are giving me flashbacks. That is what my college intro to logic class called a weak analogy :rolleyes:Its also a poor rationalization. A corporate coffee giant is above the rules in your opinion. Not to mention coffee straws are probably 10 times the amount of plastic in ONE of their straws compared to one cocktail straw. So even using your logic, the argument does not hold up. I really could care less either way if NCL wants to ban straws. It just reminds me of the ridiculous world we live in where even our elected leaders have different rules for different people and/or corporations. That's my point. It reminds me of the people who want you to bicycle to work to save the environment but fly around in private planes :eek: agree Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zitsky Posted July 30, 2018 #353 Share Posted July 30, 2018 No reasonable person can dispute that there is plastic in the oceans. At best, the straws go into a landfill. Worst case, blown into the ocean. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fshagan Posted July 30, 2018 #354 Share Posted July 30, 2018 Cruise ships might be a local problem, like beach communities can be, so banning plastic straws, cups, and balloons might be useful for improvement in a local area, but it won't help the "plastic in the ocean" problem much. Scientific American published a report that estimated 93% of the plastic in the ocean comes from 10 rivers, mostly in Asia and Africa. So the drive to reduce the use of plastics in North America, South America and Europe has nothing to do with the plastics in the ocean. It has other goals. Not sure what those are, but it has nothing to do with plastics in the ocean. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sauer-kraut Posted July 30, 2018 #355 Share Posted July 30, 2018 (edited) Please tell me how many turtles you have ever seen with a straw in his nose. I didn't think so. You actually think banning plastic straws is gong to have even a slight impact on the environment, wake up it will have almost zero impact. if you want to ban something that cause a huge impact ban disposable diapers, Banning straws is just a :"make tree huggers feel good" issue. st For the straw remvoal picture go to this website: https://www.change.org/p/a-mass-petition-sent-to-parliament-to-ban-plastic-straws I felt it was too graphic to post in this forum. Edited July 30, 2018 by Sauer-kraut straw removal picture too graphic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zitsky Posted July 30, 2018 #356 Share Posted July 30, 2018 Cruise ships might be a local problem, like beach communities can be, so banning plastic straws, cups, and balloons might be useful for improvement in a local area, but it won't help the "plastic in the ocean" problem much. Scientific American published a report that estimated 93% of the plastic in the ocean comes from 10 rivers, mostly in Asia and Africa. So the drive to reduce the use of plastics in North America, South America and Europe has nothing to do with the plastics in the ocean. It has other goals. Not sure what those are, but it has nothing to do with plastics in the ocean. So we shouldn't keep plastic out of our water, because other places have it worse??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare CruisinCrow Posted July 30, 2018 #357 Share Posted July 30, 2018 So we shouldn't keep plastic out of our water, because other places have it worse??? Exactly! Someone has to start somewhere. And doing something is better than doing nothing at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drumming cruisers Posted July 30, 2018 #358 Share Posted July 30, 2018 Plastic and paper straws can be recycled. This is just a ridiculously cheap cost cutting move and could backfire by becoming the poster child for NCL nickel and diming. I don't know where you live, but most restaurants in California don't have plastic straws. Its an environmental issue not NCL issue. If you bring your own straws, please don't bring plastic. There are paper straws. China wont take our recyclable plastics anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cathi007 Posted July 30, 2018 #359 Share Posted July 30, 2018 I'm on the NCL Jewel and just ordered a frozen Bushwhacker at the pool bar. The bartender brought it to me and apologized that there is no straw. I thought at first he meant they ran out or just didn't have any, but he went on to explain that the company said to no longer give out straws. It's not easy to drink a frozen drink without a straw. And this is the third day. I had no issues in earlier days of getting a straw. I had to ask for one each time, but I got one. So I'm not sure if it's just a pool bar thing or a shipwide policy. To whom do I complain? It is no use to complain, straws are bad for the environment and NCL is on board with helping. I am going to purchase re-useable straws for my cruise in Jan. It might be a pain, but it's for wildlife. At least I am prepared, as I just found out. It would stink to find out the way you have, as I can't drink frozen drinks without a straw either. I am glad that this policy has started though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maniacal Cruiser Posted July 30, 2018 #360 Share Posted July 30, 2018 It is no use to complain, straws are bad for the environment and NCL is on board with helping. I am going to purchase re-useable straws for my cruise in Jan. It might be a pain, but it's for wildlife. At least I am prepared, as I just found out. It would stink to find out the way you have, as I can't drink frozen drinks without a straw either. I am glad that this policy has started though I am bringing a big old bag of disposable plastic straws with me and use a new one each time I get a drink. As soon as NCL bans disposable diapers I'll stop using straws, ya know what, no I won't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maniacal Cruiser Posted July 30, 2018 #361 Share Posted July 30, 2018 I don't know where you live, but most restaurants in California don't have plastic straws. Its an environmental issue not NCL issue. If you bring your own straws, please don't bring plastic. There are paper straws. China wont take our recyclable plastics anymore. I'm bring the biggest bag of plastic straws I can find just to piss off the tree huggers. LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yankees111 Posted July 30, 2018 #362 Share Posted July 30, 2018 I'm bring the biggest bag of plastic straws I can find just to piss off the tree huggers. LOL Too funny lol Sent from my iPhone using Forums Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jojoshumate Posted July 30, 2018 #363 Share Posted July 30, 2018 Here is a thought—bring a cup with an acrylic reusable straw—as someone that lives in the Caribbean, we are trying to reduce our use of plastic straws and cups. I will be on the Getaway in 2 weeks and this cup will be with me! Will work great for the Miami Vice! My island is St Croix! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Akheila Posted July 30, 2018 #364 Share Posted July 30, 2018 This baffles my mind, plastic straws were in paper containers. Now a paper straw in plastic. Seems neither are actually reducing plastic use. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jojoshumate Posted July 30, 2018 #365 Share Posted July 30, 2018 (edited) Oh yeah—I do love to hug a palm tree[emoji41]—guess I am a tree hugger! Sent from my iPhone using Forums Edited July 30, 2018 by jojoshumate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maniacal Cruiser Posted July 30, 2018 #366 Share Posted July 30, 2018 st For the straw remvoal picture go to this website: https://www.change.org/p/a-mass-petition-sent-to-parliament-to-ban-plastic-straws I felt it was too graphic to post in this forum. Didn't ask how many photoshopped pictures you have seen on the internet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NLH Arizona Posted July 31, 2018 #367 Share Posted July 31, 2018 Didn't ask how many photoshopped pictures you have seen on the internet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zitsky Posted July 31, 2018 #368 Share Posted July 31, 2018 I'm bring the biggest bag of plastic straws I can find just to piss off the tree huggers. LOL We'll be waiting for you. We know where you are. :') Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cafedumonde Posted July 31, 2018 #369 Share Posted July 31, 2018 I'm bring the biggest bag of plastic straws I can find just to piss off the tree huggers. LOL Shouldn't be hard, they are angry all the time anyway. lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zitsky Posted July 31, 2018 #370 Share Posted July 31, 2018 Shouldn't be hard, they are angry all the time anyway. lol We're not angry, just determined. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lenquixote66 Posted July 31, 2018 #371 Share Posted July 31, 2018 I only drink water and coffee,no straws needed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LincolnLog Posted July 31, 2018 #372 Share Posted July 31, 2018 I only drink water and coffee,no straws needed As Christian Bale would say, “OHHH good for YOU!” [emoji38] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larlin Posted July 31, 2018 #373 Share Posted July 31, 2018 I don't know where you live, but most restaurants in California don't have plastic straws. Its an environmental issue not NCL issue. If you bring your own straws, please don't bring plastic. There are paper straws. China wont take our recyclable plastics anymore. So, handicapped people who NEED straws to be able to eat and/or drink are just out of luck in California? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yankees111 Posted July 31, 2018 #374 Share Posted July 31, 2018 So, handicapped people who NEED straws to be able to eat and/or drink are just out of luck in California? Yes but they can defecate on the sidewalk without any worries as well as anyone else! Sent from my iPhone using Forums Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maniacal Cruiser Posted July 31, 2018 #375 Share Posted July 31, 2018 Yes but they can defecate on the sidewalk without any worries as well as anyone else! Sent from my iPhone using Forums And get free plastic syringes to shoot up drugs! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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