Fed up with Having to DOUBLE tip

[kruisey]

Automatic tips go also to others that one never sees.When on shore in hotels one tips Porter,Waiter,Room Attendant,Room Service.

Princess includes others bringing the tip those that have everyday contact with one,in my personal opinion far to low.

One then makes up for this by making up this extra one feels they are actually entitled to.

This  all together double tipping which can be expensive on a long trip.

Yes I know there is no need but my conscience would never let me do less.

For those with bottomless pockets this would not affect ,but for the average person it is a different matter.

If Princess would only pay the behind the scenes employees a decent living wage then the ones in close contact would be the benefactors only from better percentage from Princess .Passengers could also tip at their discretion but maybe  at a lower level not having to make up for the lower percentage Princess gave them in the past.

[paul929207]

Sounds like you are the one doing the extra tipping.  For those covered by the auto tip,  I only tip extra when the service warrants it

[Colo Cruiser]

14 minutes ago, kruisey said:

Automatic tips go also to others that one never sees.When on shore in hotels one tips Porter,Waiter,Room Attendant,Room Service.

Princess includes others bringing the tip those that have everyday contact with one,in my personal opinion far to low.

One then makes up for this by making up this extra one feels they are actually entitled to.

This  all together double tipping which can be expensive on a long trip.

Yes I know there is no need but my conscience would never let me do less.

For those with bottomless pockets this would not affect ,but for the average person it is a different matter.

If Princess would only pay the behind the scenes employees a decent living wage then the ones in close contact would be the benefactors only from better percentage from Princess .Passengers could also tip at their discretion but maybe  at a lower level not having to make up for the lower percentage Princess gave them in the past.

Don't tip extra then.

How do you know what a crew member makes? No one is forcing crew to work for Princess. They like their jobs and are there voluntarily.

If you dislike Princess so much as the majority of your posts indicate then there are many other cruise lines to choose from.

[chrysalis]

….then stop double tipping. Easy solution.

[Doug R.]

OP, this sounds like a personal dilemma, it is entirely your choice to "double tip". If you are fed up, then maybe it is time to sit down with your conscience and resolve the matter.

[c-boy]

kruisey I don't know about that last paragraph. I have no idea what wages Carnival Corp. pays their employees. My fear is if your rant comes to fruition, that would dramatically increase overhead,  and that could be passed on in the form of higher cost to the consumer/passengers

[RMMariner]

I can see why the idea of the second type of tipping can be frustrating. That is what the auto tip is for. We would never remove the auto tip, but we do not often tip extra. Tipping culture is out of control.

 

My problem is with the people who actually remove the auto tip and then do not tip at all.

[hbrote]

7 minutes ago, kruisey said:

Most of the Service Reps I speak to on the phone are great.

No doubt about this fact as we have an excellent representative at Princess.  She works very hard for us and we just sent her a small thank you gift, which, in our opinion, she deserves.  She goes beyond normal representatives duties.

[ohnonotmeagain]

21 minutes ago, RMMariner said:

 

 

My problem is with the people who actually remove the auto tip and then do not tip at all.

why does it bother you what other people do? If I tip or not, how much and to whom ,it's my business...……….no one else's

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[EightFurryPaws]

On my last cruise, one of the crew was polishing the thin brass boarder around the 

carpeting in the public area on deck 7.  I saw him doing this for two days in a row.

 

I stopped and complemented him on what a great job he was doing.

He talked to me for a few minutes, telling me how he supports his family and how

he missed them.  He said he is paid $1,000 a month for his work with Princess.  He is

hoping to advance to a higher level with Princess so his salary will increase.

 

[RMMariner]

8 minutes ago, ohnonotmeagain said:

why does it bother you what other people do? If I tip or not, how much and to whom ,it's my business...……….no one else's

 

 

Because the tips, in this case, are really the main part of the crews' salary. You do what you want to. I'll think of you the way I want to. 

 

The tips should be just part of the cost of the cruise. It is a classless act to remove them.

 

Oh, and learn how to use the enter key.

Edited February 18, 2019 by RMMariner

[mellon1]

Funny this subject was posted after our B2B cruise.  My husband and I spoke about this as we over heard and some actually bragging about taking their tips off when they board the ship. We bit our lip!  This has been going on for as long as we cruised, but before then, they did not make tips prepaid ahead and people would not show up for dinner the last night.  I remember our first Royal Caribbean cruise we asked our waiter where everyone was because we thought we were missing something going on.  He told us it is the last night, the night when tips are given to the staff, so some just don't come to dinner so they don't have to tip.  We could not believe it and that people would do that.  Since then all cruise lines charge gratuities.  We prepay our gratuities and those who have made our trip special we give extra.  Yes, it is extra money, but we don't look at it as tips...we look at it as a small gift to someone who made our trip better in some way...it is our donation to someone we have gotten to know as a person.  We feel good about doing this.  We are not rich by far, but we do realize how good it feels to be appreciated.

 

In my opinion, I feel that the standard tips should be "included" in the base price of the fare.  Yes the fare will go up, but only for those who have been taking their tips off to begin with.  If anyone wants to tip to someone on the ship, it should be considered a gift to them and they should be able to keep it themselves and it should not go into a pool.

[Ep010835]

Just now, ohnonotmeagain said:

why does it bother you what other people do? If I tip or not, how much and to whom ,it's my business...……….no one else's

 

Well said!! 🤙🏻

[Outerdog]

55 minutes ago, ohnonotmeagain said:

why does it bother you what other people do? If I tip or not, how much and to whom ,it's my business...……….no one else's

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Exactly.

[RMMariner]

24 minutes ago, mellon1 said:

 

In my opinion, I feel that the standard tips should be "included" in the base price of the fare.  Yes the fare will go up, but only for those who have been taking their tips off to begin with.  If anyone wants to tip to someone on the ship, it should be considered a gift to them and they should be able to keep it themselves and it should not go into a pool.

 

I agree. The people who pull their tips are actually getting a free ride. I say stop the auto tips and just raise the cost of the cruise. Then remove tipping from the equation altogether. The crew deserves fair pay, and people deserve to not  have to worry about tipping during the cruise.

 

For those pulling your tips, do you announce to everyone that you doing so while on your cruise, or do you skulk around on the CC boards supporting other non tippers, where you are anonymity is assured, and then furtively pull them at the service desk when you think no one is looking?

 

I'd be willing to bet in most cases it is the latter option that you choose.

 

If you are proud of pulling your auto tips, then do so proudly. Tell your waiter you won't be tipping him on the first night. Announce to the room steward that he will have to be content with your sparkling personality as his tip. At least have the courage of your convictions.

 

I can see why people hate tipping, but the auto tips, unless you are just cheap, are part of the cost of a cruise.

 

 

 

 

Edited February 18, 2019 by RMMariner

[kruisey]

 

Well if the behind scenes folks got better pay the price of the cruise would increase a little OK by me.

Now who would object to that knowing that those less fortunate than ourselves are being helped.

[Potstech]

Many would object. You have been on here long enough to know that.

[Pam in CA]

12 minutes ago, kruisey said:

 

Well if the behind scenes folks got better pay the price of the cruise would increase a little OK by me.

Now who would object to that knowing that those less fortunate than ourselves are being helped.

Heather, the staff/crew are hired through agencies to which a percentage of their salary (not tips) is paid. If they were paid more, they’d make less since their agency would get more. The only people happy with that scenario would be the hiring agencies. 

 

They are not “less fortunate” because you can’t compare the standard of living at their home vs. what you and I experience. The vast majority do very well and the fact that they are willing to spend months away from their families speaks volumes. 

 

I have never heard any staff or crew complaining about their wages or how much they make over decades of cruising. 

[GUT2407]

1 minute ago, Pam in CA said:

Heather, the staff/crew are hired through agencies to which a percentage of their salary (not tips) is paid. If they were paid more, they’d make less since their agency would get more. The only people happy with that scenario would be the hiring agencies. 

 

They are not “less fortunate” because you can’t compare the standard of living at their home vs. what you and I experience. The vast majority do very well and the fact that they are willing to spend months away from their families speaks volumes. 

 

I have never heard any staff or crew complaining about their wages or how much they make over decades of cruising. 

Maybe the lines need to change they way they pay the agencies then

[GUT2407]

2 minutes ago, Pam in CA said:

Heather, the staff/crew are hired through agencies to which a percentage of their salary (not tips) is paid. If they were paid more, they’d make less since their agency would get more. The only people happy with that scenario would be the hiring agencies. 

 

They are not “less fortunate” because you can’t compare the standard of living at their home vs. what you and I experience. The vast majority do very well and the fact that they are willing to spend months away from their families speaks volumes. 

 

I have never heard any staff or crew complaining about their wages or how much they make over decades of cruising. 

And yes most are very well paid compared to at “home”

[pris993]

We leave the auto tip on, skip the MDR, which we don't really enjoy any more go to the Crown Grill a few nights, do fish and chips a couple of days, room service and the buffet... we tip extra at the Crown Grill i.e 20%; tip a bit extra $50-75 for our room steward, since we requests extras;  tip a few dollars per order for room service and are way ahead.  Sometimes we tip a few dollars for extra requested service in the buffet directly to the staff that responds.    We use to tip extra to waiter, assistant, the head waiter and Matre'd... that could add up  - plus the extra tips we do now.  

 

Decide what is important and do that... let go of what isn't... 

[Outerdog]

The apparent obsession some folks have with other people's money is alarming. The view that the crew are some poor helpless slaves is also rather disturbing, and wildly inaccurate.

 

[Pam in CA]

4 minutes ago, GUT2407 said:

Maybe the lines need to change they way they pay the agencies then

I have no idea how the contracts are written up. Pretty sure the contract is between the agency and the individual rather than through Princess (or most other cruise lines.) It’s a standard practice in the cruise industry. 

[kruisey]

All I  know is the reaction of my cabin person when I give that extra tip  in their hands at the end of a long cruise plus the big hug of gratitude,the genuine look in their eyes to know they have been appreciated . Do they really get paid well with just the automatic tips taken from accounts?

[kruisey]

4 minutes ago, JennyB1977 said:

OP - You don't "have " to do anything. Keeping auto-grats on is not required. Tipping extra is not required. Cruising is not required. Nor is choosing Princess. You know the policy(ies), yet continue to cruise with them. To complain about something that is within your ability to change is IMHO right up there with "The Definition of Insanity" (doing the same thing over and over again, but expecting different results).

Thanks so very much for your advise you hit the nail on the head. I will now retire to my abode and eat nutty nuts.