TwoMisfits Posted March 6, 2020 #601 Share Posted March 6, 2020 (edited) This may be the event that brings about the stand-down for cruises in the US...and the guaranteed quarantine for anyone flying back to the US from cruises (or getting off current cruises)...exposures are just too rapid and widespread across the country to continually try to contain week after week... EDIT TO ADD: And the population of cruises is one where they are at most risk, and thus will suck up the most medical resources...it can't keep going or our medical will be overwhelmed in days or weeks (vs having a shot at months)... Edited March 6, 2020 by TwoMisfits 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyguyjake Posted March 6, 2020 #602 Share Posted March 6, 2020 Just now, glam mistress said: So should we be worried about Hawaii? How do you even contact trace such a place? There is no way to know where all those people went when they got off in port, went exploring and then came back aboard. You will most likely hear of new cases in Hawaii and Mexico soon. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villauk Posted March 6, 2020 #603 Share Posted March 6, 2020 2 minutes ago, hapster85 said: but tracking down the strangers would be impossible. No one is going to remember every unknown person they've encountered in that time. Which is why the current restrictions now placed on all boarding cruise pax on most lines are useless. How can you possibly say, with any certainty, that you haven’t been in contact with someone with the virus. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtmatull Posted March 6, 2020 #604 Share Posted March 6, 2020 5 minutes ago, Journey99999 said: Anyone have a link to the information? https://www.foxnews.com/politics/pence-coronavirus-white-house-efforts 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kathy49 Posted March 6, 2020 #605 Share Posted March 6, 2020 2 minutes ago, glam mistress said: So should we be worried about Hawaii? How do you even contact trace such a place? There is no way to know where all those people went when they got off in port, went exploring and then came back aboard. sure there will be cases in hawaii. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pushka Posted March 6, 2020 #606 Share Posted March 6, 2020 I'm thinking any ports that the previous and current cruise have visited are now very much at risk. It's just awful, for everyone. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WIDisCruiser Posted March 6, 2020 #607 Share Posted March 6, 2020 6 minutes ago, clskinsfan said: Are you kidding me? That is ridiculous. I would be IRATE. I know! Found a link on YouTube so they could stream it anyhow. Ridiculous. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villauk Posted March 6, 2020 #608 Share Posted March 6, 2020 1 minute ago, TwoMisfits said: This may be the event that has the stand-down for cruises in the US...and the guaranteed quarantine for anyone flying back to the US from cruises...exposures are just to rapid and widespread across the country to continually try to contain week after week... And those TAs look even more unlikely now. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arabrab Posted March 6, 2020 #609 Share Posted March 6, 2020 5 minutes ago, glam mistress said: Pence just said the crew will quarantine on the ship... That does not sound wise. Crew quarters are very crowded...perfect for more transmission. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TwoMisfits Posted March 6, 2020 #610 Share Posted March 6, 2020 1 minute ago, arabrab said: That does not sound wise. Crew quarters are very crowded...perfect for more transmission. They will probably spread out once passengers are gone... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoniMommy Posted March 6, 2020 #611 Share Posted March 6, 2020 If cases are reported in Mexico, Mexico could start denying entry to cruise ships which would make Hawaii cruises difficult or impossible because there would be no foreign port to call on before returning to US. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoniMommy Posted March 6, 2020 #612 Share Posted March 6, 2020 Hear the president say if it were up to him everyone would quarantine on the ship. So is it up to him? Who decides? I felt like the seniors on the Diamond were sitting ducks just waiting to get infected by infected crew serving food. The way this quarantine is handled will determine if we cruise in May. So glad Royal has the 48 hour cancellation policy. I hope this virus is all sorted out before Dec 2021 which us when the FCC will expire. Hope all the best for those on the Grand. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pushka Posted March 6, 2020 #613 Share Posted March 6, 2020 (edited) 4 minutes ago, MoniMommy said: If cases are reported in Mexico, Mexico could start denying entry to cruise ships which would make Hawaii cruises difficult or impossible because there would be no foreign port to call on before returning to US. Not just Mexico. The arrival of over 2000+ potentially infected passengers could completely swamp any small location's medical services if the virus spread to the locals. They have to protect their own people. And it shows that any pre boarding health check is utterly useless. Just an awful time for the cruise industry as a business. Im thinking my FCC will run out before I can use it which is nothing in the overall scheme of this awful situation. I'm almost happy to donate it if it keeps the business going. Edited March 6, 2020 by Pushka 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wehwalt Posted March 6, 2020 #614 Share Posted March 6, 2020 4 minutes ago, MoniMommy said: If cases are reported in Mexico, Mexico could start denying entry to cruise ships which would make Hawaii cruises difficult or impossible because there would be no foreign port to call on before returning to US. Possibly the responsible federal agency, which I suppose is in the Department of Transportation, could grant a temporary exemption. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluesea321 Posted March 6, 2020 #615 Share Posted March 6, 2020 14 minutes ago, Journey99999 said: Anyone have a link to the information? Type "Grand Princess" into Google and you will get many links. Here is one: https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/21-people-grand-princess-cruise-ship-test-positive-coronavirus-pence-n1151936 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TwoMisfits Posted March 6, 2020 #616 Share Posted March 6, 2020 2 minutes ago, MoniMommy said: Hear the president say if it were up to him everyone would quarantine on the ship. So is it up to him? Who decides? I felt like the seniors on the Diamond were sitting ducks just waiting to get infected by infected crew serving food. The way this quarantine is handled will determine if we cruise in May. So glad Royal has the 48 hour cancellation policy. I hope this virus is all sorted out before Dec 2021 which us when the FCC will expire. Hope all the best for those on the Grand. It's probably too late to put in safety procedures to prevent passage of the virus with that many positives among the crew. I'm sure they will undertake them, but I would expect we could be looking at a 3-4 week quarantine for everyone from today, b/c there will need to be certainty (and 2 weeks wasn't enough in Japan)... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyguyjake Posted March 6, 2020 #617 Share Posted March 6, 2020 Pence & experts are basically telling ALL elderly and those especially with serious underlying health conditions. DO NOT TRAVEL. Also avoid crowded environments. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pushka Posted March 6, 2020 #618 Share Posted March 6, 2020 (edited) 1 minute ago, flyguyjake said: Pence & experts are basically telling ALL elderly and those especially with serious underlying health conditions. DO NOT TRAVEL. Also avoid crowded environments. What would be considered elderly? 70+? Our (Aus) Govt would issue warnings based on geography so it will be interesting to see how this plays out. Edited March 6, 2020 by Pushka 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare azbirdmom Posted March 6, 2020 #619 Share Posted March 6, 2020 Just now, Pushka said: What would be considered elderly? 70+? Some news outlets have defined it as 60+! 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pushka Posted March 6, 2020 #620 Share Posted March 6, 2020 Just now, azbirdmom said: Some news outlets have defined it as 60+! Oh dear. Not good for us then. The response from our Govt will be interesting then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyguyjake Posted March 6, 2020 #621 Share Posted March 6, 2020 Just now, Pushka said: What would be considered elderly? 70+? https://time.com/5794374/coronavirus-seniors/ 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vjmatty Posted March 6, 2020 #622 Share Posted March 6, 2020 3 hours ago, Buddy604 said: If the CCL price drops a bit more I may try snagging 100 shares for the Shareholder OBC benefit. We sold ours a few years ago when we moved to buy our new house since we weren't cruising much back then and got double what we'd paid....now we are back into it again so I'm watching share prices. Good to see you 😉 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TwoMisfits Posted March 6, 2020 #623 Share Posted March 6, 2020 (edited) Going by hospitalization/morbidity stats, 60+ would be elderly...and serious conditions would include asthma, allergies, hypertension, diabetes, former/current smoker, and obesity (on top of what we normally consider "serious", like cancer, heart disease, copd, etc)... Edited March 6, 2020 by TwoMisfits 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrulyBlonde Posted March 6, 2020 #624 Share Posted March 6, 2020 3 minutes ago, Pushka said: What would be considered elderly? 70+? He said 65+ Anybody getting on a cruise ship right now needs their head examined. That would be a serious underlying condition 😉 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villauk Posted March 6, 2020 #625 Share Posted March 6, 2020 4 minutes ago, Pushka said: What would be considered elderly? 70+? Our (Aus) Govt would issue warnings based on geography so it will be interesting to see how this plays out. Over 60s https://edition.cnn.com/world/live-news/coronavirus-outbreak-03-06-20-intl-hnk/index.html 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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