Rare A&L_Ont Posted April 7, 2020 #101 Share Posted April 7, 2020 1 hour ago, spookwife said: I am very good friends with the wife of someone who has served with the Ex CO. the PTB had no choice but to remove him, regardless of their personal opinion on his command ability or the massage he imparted. the Navy sets great store on doing things a certain way, and he didn't. it sucks royally, because he was only doing what was in the best interest of his crew and he knew it would FUBAR his career. I guess in this case one might say he "fell on his sword" for this crew. I think most everyone would follow him to battle for doing this. If he did that for me, I would. 51 minutes ago, John&LaLa said: It would appear he tried that and got nowhere He might not get a statue, by he is a hero in my eyes. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare John&LaLa Posted April 7, 2020 #102 Share Posted April 7, 2020 46 minutes ago, A&L_Ont said: He might not get a statue, by he is a hero in my eyes Pat served with him as XO of the Reagan. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare bobmacliberty Posted April 7, 2020 #103 Share Posted April 7, 2020 Difficult leadership call...doing what's right for your crew vs. following the chain of command and seeing your crew suffer. Definitely a fall on your sword moment. "We follow orders son. We follow orders or people die. It's that simple" - Colonel Jessep, A Few Good Men. Although a famous movie line, I'm sure there's a lot of truth to it (I've never served). The only saving grace for Captain Crozier is that he will likely do well in the private sector. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chengkp75 Posted April 7, 2020 #104 Share Posted April 7, 2020 Well, the acting Navy Secretary has stepped on his crank, and has been ordered by his boss, SecDef, to apologize to both the crew and Captain Crozier personally. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare mking8288 Posted April 7, 2020 #105 Share Posted April 7, 2020 USNS Comfort will have its 1,000 beds capacity reduced by half = resulting in 500 "covid-19" beds, per NY governor Cuomo's daily press briefing. IMHO, even with such a setup (eliminating bunking - uppers & lowers) in a typical hospital ship configuration (optimized for trauma/violent injuries - infection control for such highy infectious disease remain risky for healthcare workers & other first responders doing patient transports & transfers. A part of the Cathedral of St. John the Divine in Morningside Heights in "upper Manhattan" & historic Harlem will be converted to another field hospital with 400 beds capacity - https://abc7ny.com/health/st-john-the-divine-in-manhattan-to-be-used-as-hospital/6083795/ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chengkp75 Posted April 7, 2020 #106 Share Posted April 7, 2020 50 minutes ago, mking8288 said: USNS Comfort will have its 1,000 beds capacity reduced by half = resulting in 500 "covid-19" beds, per NY governor Cuomo's daily press briefing. IMHO, even with such a setup (eliminating bunking - uppers & lowers) in a typical hospital ship configuration (optimized for trauma/violent injuries - infection control for such highy infectious disease remain risky for healthcare workers & other first responders doing patient transports & transfers. A part of the Cathedral of St. John the Divine in Morningside Heights in "upper Manhattan" & historic Harlem will be converted to another field hospital with 400 beds capacity - https://abc7ny.com/health/st-john-the-divine-in-manhattan-to-be-used-as-hospital/6083795/ And the report that a crew member on the Comfort has tested positive is not encouraging. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milwaukee Eight Posted April 7, 2020 #107 Share Posted April 7, 2020 29 minutes ago, chengkp75 said: And the report that a crew member on the Comfort has tested positive is not encouraging. It’s my understanding they were a Merchant Marine (Civilian) Crew. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare bobmacliberty Posted April 7, 2020 #108 Share Posted April 7, 2020 4 hours ago, chengkp75 said: Well, the acting Navy Secretary has stepped on his crank, and has been ordered by his boss, SecDef, to apologize to both the crew and Captain Crozier personally. Looks like the Acting Navy Secretary has now resigned, in addition to issuing an apology. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chengkp75 Posted April 7, 2020 #109 Share Posted April 7, 2020 38 minutes ago, Milwaukee Eight said: It’s my understanding they were a Merchant Marine (Civilian) Crew. The deck and engine crew are Civmars, but there is also a Navy crew that maintains the hospital, as well as the medical staff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chengkp75 Posted April 7, 2020 #110 Share Posted April 7, 2020 15 minutes ago, bobmacliberty said: Looks like the Acting Navy Secretary has now resigned, in addition to issuing an apology. But, the apology is only half-hearted, essentially claiming that Captain Crozier deliberately leaked the document. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare bobmacliberty Posted April 7, 2020 #111 Share Posted April 7, 2020 20 minutes ago, chengkp75 said: But, the apology is only half-hearted, essentially claiming that Captain Crozier deliberately leaked the document. Yes...I didn't call him naïve or stupid. We would never put a naïve or stupid person in charge of an aircraft carrier. What he did was naïve or stupid. I'm sorry that people didn't understand what I said. 🙄 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chengkp75 Posted April 7, 2020 #112 Share Posted April 7, 2020 34 minutes ago, bobmacliberty said: Yes...I didn't call him naïve or stupid. We would never put a naïve or stupid person in charge of an aircraft carrier. What he did was naïve or stupid. I'm sorry that people didn't understand what I said. 🙄 The worst part of the "apology" is this: "I believe, precisely because he is not naive and stupid, that he sent his alarming email with the intention of getting it into the public domain in an effort to draw public attention to the situation on his ship. I apologize for any confusion this choice of words may have caused," Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare A&L_Ont Posted April 7, 2020 #113 Share Posted April 7, 2020 7 minutes ago, chengkp75 said: The worst part of the "apology" is this: "I believe, precisely because he is not naive and stupid, that he sent his alarming email with the intention of getting it into the public domain in an effort to draw public attention to the situation on his ship. I apologize for any confusion this choice of words may have caused," 🤦♂️ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gatour Posted April 9, 2020 #114 Share Posted April 9, 2020 On 4/7/2020 at 8:21 AM, Milwaukee Eight said: It’s not easy for those that haven’t served in the military, especially during War Time, the most sacred rule/oath, is to follow chain of command. There is a Fleet Commander aboard the Roosevelt in addition to the Captain. Typically, it’s a Rear Admiral or higher. It’s my understanding, the Captain went around the chain of command. If true, then I could see the NAVY relieving from his duties. On 4/7/2020 at 8:43 AM, spookwife said: I am very good friends with the wife of someone who has served with the Ex CO. the PTB had no choice but to remove him, regardless of their personal opinion on his command ability or the massage he imparted. the Navy sets great store on doing things a certain way, and he didn't. it sucks royally, because he was only doing what was in the best interest of his crew and he knew it would FUBAR his career. That is my question. Did he initially engage the normal chain of command? I have a feeling that he did and did not get anywhere. Thus the letter. If he did engage the chain of command. Will we ever get acknowledgement or a formal notification that he did or did not, my guess we won't. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare John&LaLa Posted April 9, 2020 #115 Share Posted April 9, 2020 24 minutes ago, gatour said: That is my question. Did he initially engage the normal chain of command? I have a feeling that he did and did not get anywhere. Thus the letter. If he did engage the chain of command. Will we ever get acknowledgement or a formal notification that he did or did not, my guess we won't. All indications are he and the Admiral did not see eye to eye on many things Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HBE4 Posted April 23, 2020 #116 Share Posted April 23, 2020 Heading home. Good that she wasn't needed but glad she was here, just in case. https://www.businessinsider.com/usns-comfort-leaving-nyc-few-coronavirus-patients-three-weeks-2020-4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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