Masks probably required

[Milwaukee Eight]

This thread is hopping this morning. 😇

[CRUISEFAN0001]

1 minute ago, bouhunter said:

You have had WAY too much Kool-Aid.

Beats living in a cave.

[Ocean Boy]

9 minutes ago, Milwaukee Eight said:

Are you saying COVID19 no different than Flu?

No, I am asking why do we behave differently for two infecious diseases that both take their share of vulnerable people.

[hazence]

4 hours ago, CRUISEFAN0001 said:

WOW...all those poor doctors and nurses wearing masks all the time for decades...they’ve been exposed to unhealthy practices...

 

Who knew??? (apparently not the entire medical world)...

 

Also...don’t recall one single claim that masks prevented Covid...only reduced the potential spreading via coughing, sneezing, and other oral contagious actions...

 

So much for “science”....

 

Based on that post logic...cruising, air travel, social events with more than 2 people, etc are years away...

 

Agree to disagree.

 

You make an excellent point in your first paragraph...doctors and nurses have been wearing masks for decades.They are acutely aware of the value and shortcomings.This is not some new concept like coating your face with Vaseline.

 

So especially should the very experienced  DR Fauci have a FIRM  position on the effectiveness of masks in preventing disease.  But on March 8, when there were still many lives that could have been saved by advising us to wear any kind of cloth covering (if he believed that) ...he stated the opposite publicly.
 

The excuse now is...oh gee...he just wanted to save masks for medical workers. I’m amazed that so many of you who believe so fervently in mask wearing, just accept that as if allowing the burgeoning spread and loss of precious lives was acceptable while he stockpiled for hospitals.  If masks stop the spread, THAT was the time to SHOUT IT OUT! “For Gods sake wear anything! You save my life , I will save yours!”

 

AS far as the excuse that it was okay to lie that masks were not effective...because those on the front lines needed them...here is why I’m not buying that. In late February I bought Clorox healthcare wipes from Amazon. By early March...they were NO longer available for general purchase. Online there was a sentence...”restricted for hospitals” ...something like that. They just shut down the purchase...they did not declare that the wipes didn’t DO THE JOB! 

This could have easily been done with medical masks too.

I believe Fauci told the truth in early March. I don’t believe he would have facilitated all the deaths that supposedly masks prevent...if masks actually helped.

 

I think now...as he said this week...they need people to start resuming life...both for health reasons and economic reasons. The mask thing helps people feel they have some control...it’s kind of a COVID security blanket...and as Fauci says...”blocks some droplets.”

 

 

"There's no reason to be walking around with a mask," infectious disease expert Dr. Anthony Fauci told 60 Minutes. 

While masks may block some droplets, Fauci said, they do not provide the level of protection people think they do.”

 

 

Edited May 26, 2020 by hazence

[CRUISEFAN0001]

Just now, Milwaukee Eight said:

This thread is hopping this morning. 😇

Yup..seems those of us who don't drink coffee are seeing what a double espresso does to reason in the early AM. 🤣🤣🤣

[Biker19]

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[Milwaukee Eight]

Just now, CRUISEFAN0001 said:

Yup..seems those of us who don't drink coffee are seeing what a double espresso does to reason in the early AM. 🤣🤣🤣

People with too much time. Here, in my area of Florida, rain, rain, rain. It’s putting a crimp on my riding. 

[Sherri914]

12 hours ago, Ocean Boy said:

Now think about it. Plenty of vulnerable people have to do essential business during flu season and a flu shot is no guarentee of protection yet we don't wear masks. So why are we doing it now?

 

Exactly.  My own physician doesn't wear a mask during flu season when treating patients in an examination room (very small, closed door) unless that patient presents with symptoms of the flu (coughing, fever, etc).  

[CRUISEFAN0001]

5 minutes ago, hazence said:

I believe Fauci told the truth in early March. I don’t believe he would have facilitated all the deaths that supposedly masks prevent...if masks actually helped.

 

I think now...as he said this week...they need people to start resuming life...both for health reasons and economic reasons. The mask thing helps people feel they have some control...it’s kind of a COVID security blanket...and as Fauci says...”blocks some droplets.”

There are plenty of folks who have expressed a loss in confidence of Dr. Fauci's perspectives on several topics.

 

There's also a reason conventional wisdom is to get more than one doctor's opinion regarding any serious medical issue.

 

So it comes down to exercising practices based upon the information and source chosen. The only significant difference in the mask naysayers is if they are wrong...people perish. If they're right, some people have egg on their face. The choice seems obvious.

[CRUISEFAN0001]

2 minutes ago, Sherri914 said:

 

Exactly.  My own physician doesn't wear a mask during flu season when treating patients in an examination room (very small, closed door) unless that patient presents with symptoms of the flu (coughing, fever, etc).  

Some might say it's time to find a new physician.

[HxFx]

1 hour ago, bouhunter said:

I stuff it in my pocket and put it on when I have to.  

That doesn't sound like a relaxing vacation if I'm constantly worrying about mask handling. Effectiveness aside, cruising is not essential. If you are high risk or worried then you shouldn't go on a cruise (or restaurant, or beach...). I won't cruise if I have to wear a mask outside of embarkation/debarkation. I'll only wear one then if I am required to.

[Sherri914]

Just now, CRUISEFAN0001 said:

Some might say it's time to find a new physician.

 

Well, he has a booming practice and has had one for 30 years now.  And none of the physicians - specialists included - that I've used have EVER worn a mask in the exam room save for once, and that was when I presented with flu symptoms.  

 

Here's my bottom line -- and reading your comments in this thread I'm sure you will not agree -- but here goes.   Asking people to wear  (or mandating) face masks THREE MONTHS into this thing is like asking the baby's father to wear a condom at the baby shower.    

 

[A&L_Ont]

7 minutes ago, CRUISEFAN0001 said:

Guess you've never heard of an auto first aid kit with most of what you've described minus the extra clothes. Amazing (pathetic actually)  how excuses are used  frequently to justify reckless behavior instead of being conscientious.  

I have a first aid kit in my trunk, but I don’t wear everything in it when I go out. It is there in case.  Just like I carry a mask in a zip lock when I go out. I use both of them when needed. I don’t use it all the time, and I don’t leave the house wearing bandages, gauze and the tin foil blanket for heat retention. 
 

I also am a member of AAA, but I don’t wear the card.  It lives in my wallet. Just like some Pinnacles don’t wear their name tag. 

 

Just now, CRUISEFAN0001 said:

Any contact or potential contact with others without a mask is reckless.  No one knew the rider's destination, potential for an accident/injury, or other social interaction. Nonetheless, they are criticized for demonstrating safety that harms no one else.

 

WOW.  Just WOW.

If the guy wants to wear his mask, good for him.  I could comment to my wife about later in passing but it’s his choice. 
 

If it was me, it seems silly to make the mask hot and sweaty while bike riding. It could be nice and cool when it gets put on, at the final destination. In this case, no one knows where that is.  To think anyone is in danger is rather’s assumptive.  Just because someone isn’t wearing a mask it doesn’t mean they don’t have one with them. 
 

The chances of the mask surviving a crash has yet to be determined. Reminds me of the old Cosby skit about the car accident.... “did he have on clean underwear” asks the mom.  The officer replies, “Yes, we found it in the glove box”.  

[Dinglebert]

9 minutes ago, CRUISEFAN0001 said:

Healthcare exercised without regard for others is not healthcare.  It's one person's opinion.  There's no definitive scientific evidence support your claims. Hopefully none of us gets ill near Scotland.

 

Using the same logic in the post above...there's no law against jumping off a cliff in most locations...and no danger signs would be needed...yet unfortunately those things happen.

 

You are being paranoid.  Using your argument we all should have been wearing protective clothes all our lives.  Just in case someone had a virus of any description at any point ever and happened to come near us.   This is only one virus we are dealing with at the moment.  There have been others in the past and will be more in the future.

[CRUISEFAN0001]

4 minutes ago, Sherri914 said:

 

Well, he has a booming practice and has had one for 30 years now.  And none of the physicians - specialists included - that I've used have EVER worn a mask in the exam room save for once, and that was when I presented with flu symptoms.  

 

Here's my bottom line -- and reading your comments in this thread I'm sure you will not agree -- but here goes.   Asking people to wear  (or mandating) face masks THREE MONTHS into this thing is like asking the baby's father to wear a condom at the baby shower.    

 

Even our dentist wears a mask...must be a reason...

[Dinglebert]

5 minutes ago, Sherri914 said:

 

.   Asking people to wear  (or mandating) face masks THREE MONTHS into this thing is like asking the baby's father to wear a condom at the baby shower.    

 

As long as not all he is wearing.

[CRUISEFAN0001]

1 minute ago, Dinglebert said:

You are being paranoid.  Using your argument we all should have been wearing protective clothes all our lives.  Just in case someone had a virus of any description at any point ever and happened to come near us.   This is only one virus we are dealing with at the moment.  There have been others in the past and will be more in the future.

Some are confused about people being smart...in contrast to paranoid.  Only the strong survive.

[Mallefiscent]

It kind've cracks me up that people decide whether a person cares about the life of another based solely upon whether they wear a mask right now or not.  You've dedicated your whole life to helping others?  Doesn't matter.  You aren't wearing a mask right now.  You obviously care nothing for humanity.  May as well just run over your neighbor with your car. 

[Mallefiscent]

5 minutes ago, CRUISEFAN0001 said:

Even our dentist wears a mask...must be a reason...

 

Usually that reason is that they don't want to smell other people's bad breath. 😛

Edited May 26, 2020 by Mallefiscent

[Mallefiscent]

3 minutes ago, CRUISEFAN0001 said:

Some are confused about people being smart...in contrast to paranoid.  Only the strong survive.

 

Only those with strong immune systems survive. 

[Sherri914]

Just now, CRUISEFAN0001 said:

Even our dentist wears a mask...must be a reason...

 

Really?  You can't figure out why a dentist wears a mask and not a physician in an exam room?  

 

Dentists and hygienists are at very high risk of having saliva splash back.  They're working inside someone's mouth.   Mine wears a mask and a face shield as well, and that makes perfect sense considering they're apt to being splashed with spit or even blood droplets.  

 

Using that as a basis for having everyone else wear masks in public makes absolutely zero sense whatsoever.  

[Dinglebert]

9 minutes ago, CRUISEFAN0001 said:

Some are confused about people being smart...in contrast to paranoid.  Only the strong survive.

 

 

 

Your argument makes no sense at all.  Why if what you believe have you not been wearing a mask in public all your life?  There is always a risk of viruses.  I presume when this is all over and done you will continue to wear full protective clothing when near anyone else.ou believe

Edited May 26, 2020 by Dinglebert
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[Mallefiscent]

2 minutes ago, Sherri914 said:

 

Really?  You can't figure out why a dentist wears a mask and not a physician in an exam room?  

 

Dentists and hygienists are at very high risk of having saliva splash back.  They're working inside someone's mouth.   Mine wears a mask and a face shield as well, and that makes perfect sense considering they're apt to being splashed with spit or even blood droplets.  

 

Using that as a basis for having everyone else wear masks in public makes absolutely zero sense whatsoever.  

 

Don't get too logical with him.  He'll sidestep and tell you "Happy Sailing". 

[A&L_Ont]

27 minutes ago, Milwaukee Eight said:

This thread is hopping this morning. 😇

Moving faster than a cyclist.

 

25 minutes ago, Biker19 said:

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With extra butter. 

 

 

[The Scurvy Pirate]

Dentist's are actively exposed to blood, spit, let alone the other things that are coming from your mouth when they are literally in your face/mouth to clean your teeth, etc.  A general physician wears gloves when he pulls blood, but otherwise is not likely to come in other contact with bodily fluids unless the patient coughs, in which case, as noted above, when active symptoms of the flu are being shown, they will wear a mask.  Similarly, a surgeon wears full gear when doing surgery.  Again, its the level of potential exposure to "at risk" fluids.