Photo_Traveler Posted May 10, 2020 #1 Share Posted May 10, 2020 Knowing this information will help our decisions on our cruises as well as at cruise ports and attractions. It is well researched and well written. https://erinbromage.wixsite.com/covid19/post/the-risks-know-them-avoid-them 6 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare Georgia_Peaches Posted May 10, 2020 #2 Share Posted May 10, 2020 The virus vs the economy is Such a chicken and egg scenario. Which comes first? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare puppycanducruise Posted May 10, 2020 #3 Share Posted May 10, 2020 Interesting article. Thanks for posting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TeaBag Posted May 10, 2020 #4 Share Posted May 10, 2020 Very interesting. Thank you for posting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fouremco Posted May 10, 2020 #5 Share Posted May 10, 2020 Thanks for the excellent article. I've shared with friends and family outside CC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
auntjoy036 Posted May 10, 2020 #6 Share Posted May 10, 2020 Thank you. I found the article helpful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare hcat Posted May 10, 2020 #7 Share Posted May 10, 2020 Some interesting points....seems like escaping exposure to this virus 100 % is not a realistic expectation, even for those of us who are basically limiting outside trips to the grocers, drug store and post ofc. And, especially if we are visited by family members from time to time like on Mother's Day! All we can really do is try our best! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ECCruise Posted May 10, 2020 #8 Share Posted May 10, 2020 I'd seen this article elsewhere. It really does summarize a good deal of the issues that we are and will need to deal with. Especially the sections on indoor transmissions since this is a site related to cruising. Much indoors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
az_tchr Posted May 10, 2020 #9 Share Posted May 10, 2020 Great article. Certainly makes one reflect on the actions being taken across the world. I made a comment about curling being a sport that could resume. Guess I was wrong. The restaurant example is dang scary. Am stuck in Arizona. Dry and 100 and no sign of the virus slowing. Sit down restaurants open in "limited" seating. Think we will continue to cook at home. Thank you to the OP. Probably need to simply refer about 2/3 of the threads to this article. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pushka Posted May 10, 2020 #10 Share Posted May 10, 2020 6 hours ago, Photo_Traveler said: Knowing this information will help our decisions on our cruises as well as at cruise ports and attractions. It is well researched and well written. https://erinbromage.wixsite.com/covid19/post/the-risks-know-them-avoid-them This is pretty much following the experience in Australia but add in to our mix, the impact of Cruise ships. In our state we haven't had a positive infection for 19 days, and in Australia overall just 11 infections overall. So our emergence is already happening. Interesting times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare markeb Posted May 10, 2020 #11 Share Posted May 10, 2020 30 minutes ago, az_tchr said: Great article. Certainly makes one reflect on the actions being taken across the world. I made a comment about curling being a sport that could resume. Guess I was wrong. The restaurant example is dang scary. Am stuck in Arizona. Dry and 100 and no sign of the virus slowing. Sit down restaurants open in "limited" seating. Think we will continue to cook at home. Thank you to the OP. Probably need to simply refer about 2/3 of the threads to this article. I was a little scared to open the article, but he did a really good job. The sunbelt problem will likely be indoors. Turn the AC on, and create a totally different microclimate than outside. Cool(ish), somewhat humid, and indoor lighting. Kind of like the interior of a cruise ship... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnorigionalName Posted May 10, 2020 #12 Share Posted May 10, 2020 6 hours ago, Georgia_Peaches said: The virus vs the economy is Such a chicken and egg scenario. Which comes first? It's a false dichotomy. Estimates from economists are that people value their own lives at ~$10 mil. There is no way society would accept the mortality and continue living "normally." Even if there wasn't a lockdown there would end up with tons of deaths and the voluntary collapse of the economy. By almost all economic measures, effective lockdown and then continued surveillance is by far the best thing for the economy. But we failed at the first one and are giving up basically. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare Georgia_Peaches Posted May 10, 2020 #13 Share Posted May 10, 2020 9 minutes ago, UnorigionalName said: It's a false dichotomy. Estimates from economists are that people value their own lives at ~$10 mil. There is no way society would accept the mortality and continue living "normally." Even if there wasn't a lockdown there would end up with tons of deaths and the voluntary collapse of the economy. By almost all economic measures, effective lockdown and then continued surveillance is by far the best thing for the economy. But we failed at the first one and are giving up basically. Respectfully, I disagree. Stay well, my friend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Russ Lomas Posted May 10, 2020 #14 Share Posted May 10, 2020 7 hours ago, Photo_Traveler said: Knowing this information will help our decisions on our cruises as well as at cruise ports and attractions. It is well researched and well written. https://erinbromage.wixsite.com/covid19/post/the-risks-know-them-avoid-them A very interesting article. Thanks for sharing. I always thought that when out walking in the neighbourhood and people feel you need to cross the street instead of simply passing someone walking in the opposite direction on the sidewalk was a bit much. Good to know...get in the grocery store, grab your stuff, get out in under an hour, mission accomplished (relatively safely) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare Miaminice Posted May 11, 2020 #15 Share Posted May 11, 2020 (edited) Since I used to work in the medical field for many years, I have been following the studies and findings via scientific literature for quite a while already and this article summarizes some of it in comprehensible terms. Whenever I read FB posts or posts here about what seems to be the main and only concern of some, the buffet restaurant, I have to shake my head in disbelief. For all that´s known, the risk of contact contamination with Covid-19 is low compared to the known cruise plaques like Noro. (Low, not non existing!) However, the same people who write about planning never to go to the buffet any more, don´t worry about the main dining room, bars, casino or, even worse, the shows. An enclosed space with a few hundred people laughing, singing, coughing, breathing... the all the basic ways of spreading viral droplets, while others inhale and expose themselves to it for 45 minutes or more. I wish more people would look at the scientific backgrounds and adapt them to a day on a cruise. Unfortunately the result makes cruising unlikely in the near future. Edited May 11, 2020 by Miaminice 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare mac_tlc Posted May 11, 2020 #16 Share Posted May 11, 2020 (edited) Very good article. Thanks. After reading it I do worry about my daughter going back to her first grade class in the Fall. 22 kids, without the best hygenie practices, in a rather small room with less than stellar ventilation for 5 or 6 hours, 5 days a week. mac_tlc Edited May 11, 2020 by mac_tlc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TeeRick Posted May 11, 2020 #17 Share Posted May 11, 2020 Good summary article. If we could finally get past the hysteria and politics and media misinformation and understand basic scientific principles (like in this article) we could all focus on what to do to avoid our own exposure and avoid exposing others. This article lays out the impact of virus dose (infectious viral particles) on infection in a matter of fact way. And how infectious virus is carried in the air. Just talking and breathing in close indoor quarters with the right viral dose will do it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadow9612 Posted May 11, 2020 #18 Share Posted May 11, 2020 Thanks so much for posting. Very informative, in a clear fashion, and based on science and fact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Photo_Traveler Posted May 11, 2020 Author #19 Share Posted May 11, 2020 Thanks to everyone for their input. The article was one of the best I've read.... No finger pointing, innuendo or unnecessary hysteria… Just Science providing us useful information. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TeeRick Posted May 11, 2020 #20 Share Posted May 11, 2020 42 minutes ago, Photo_Traveler said: Thanks to everyone for their input. The article was one of the best I've read.... No finger pointing, innuendo or unnecessary hysteria… Just Science providing us useful information. Yes thank you. Stay well. I was actually a bit surprised in that Idaho had more cases and deaths than I expected. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rustycruzr Posted May 11, 2020 #21 Share Posted May 11, 2020 Thanks for posting this. Lots of implications for cruisers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Photo_Traveler Posted May 11, 2020 Author #22 Share Posted May 11, 2020 1 hour ago, TeeRick said: Yes thank you. Stay well. I was actually a bit surprised in that Idaho had more cases and deaths than I expected. Yep, It was odd. The virus seemed to first explode in sparsely populated Blaine County (Home to Sun Valley and Ketchum during ski season). The Blaine County virus was also traced to people who attended a conference in New York. But, they likely came through Boise airport. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scrapcreator Posted May 11, 2020 #23 Share Posted May 11, 2020 Thank you. An informative, science, and fact-based article with plenty of implications for cruisers. While I was reading the part about the restaurant, I couldn’t help but think about the MDR with lengthy dinners in very close quarters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Photo_Traveler Posted May 12, 2020 Author #24 Share Posted May 12, 2020 20 hours ago, scrapcreator said: Thank you. An informative, science, and fact-based article with plenty of implications for cruisers. While I was reading the part about the restaurant, I couldn’t help but think about the MDR with lengthy dinners in very close quarters. You're Welcome! I was thinking of the interconnected AC between sets of cabins. I'll be back (to crusing) as soon as there is a vaccine and/or an effective therapy for CV19. Until then, I support one hundred percent testing of everyone on the ship before boarding and avoidance of ports with active cases of the virus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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