soloadventurer Posted June 18, 2020 #1 Share Posted June 18, 2020 It was only a matter of time i guess as cruise lines continue to haemorrhage money 💰 https://cruiseradio.net/carnival-sells-six-cruise-ships-more-to-come/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JT1962 Posted June 18, 2020 #2 Share Posted June 18, 2020 I think all of the major cruise lines will be downsizing by either selling or scrapping ships and postponing / canceling new builds where contractually possible. The problem is how many buyers are there currently for a used cruise ship? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALWAYS CRUZIN Posted June 18, 2020 #3 Share Posted June 18, 2020 13 minutes ago, JT1962 said: I think all of the major cruise lines will be downsizing by either selling or scrapping ships and postponing / canceling new builds where contractually possible. The problem is how many buyers are there currently for a used cruise ship? Agree. Who would buy them? Makes no sense to me unless they are there very, very old ships and would be used for something other than cursing. A port hotel maybe. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milwaukee Eight Posted June 18, 2020 #4 Share Posted June 18, 2020 1 minute ago, ALWAYS CRUZIN said: Agree. Who would buy them? Makes no sense to me unless they are there very, very old ships and would be used for something other than cursing. A port hotel maybe. They make great artificial reefs but would be very expensive to get proper permitted to sink. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ECCruise Posted June 18, 2020 #5 Share Posted June 18, 2020 Donald also said: I’d go so far as to say it’s highly probable you’re going to see some ships actually scrapped as opposed to just moving to secondary or tertiary markets.” 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ONECRUISER Posted June 18, 2020 #6 Share Posted June 18, 2020 13 minutes ago, ALWAYS CRUZIN said: Agree. Who would buy them? Makes no sense to me unless they are there very, very old ships and would be used for something other than cursing. A port hotel maybe. Looks like they are the older, outdated ships. Not surprising 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALWAYS CRUZIN Posted June 18, 2020 #7 Share Posted June 18, 2020 Carnivals Celebration from 1987 Has been in the Bahamas Paradise Cruise line as the Grand Celebration. The ship look great in and out. A 33 year old ship. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALWAYS CRUZIN Posted June 18, 2020 #8 Share Posted June 18, 2020 Oldest ships 1990 Fantasy, 1991 Ecstasy, 1993 Sensation 1994 Fascination and so on. The Victory 1997 is getting refitted and changed into the radiance. One day while walking back tot he ship my wife and I were trying to name all of them. She made a mistake and we have been laughing ever since. Guess this new ship will be a lot smaller and have a real hot burning incinerator on it. It will be your last cruise for sure. Calling it the "Carnival Cremation" 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coaster Posted June 18, 2020 #9 Share Posted June 18, 2020 (edited) Thought the Joe Farcus Vegas like interiors on these ships were hideous when these ships were brand new. They have not aged well either. Empress, Vision, Majesty, Enchantment, Rhapsody and Grandeur are all in the same age bracket, but have aged gracefully. Reef or scrap for these Fantasy class ships would be an appropriate outcome. Edited June 18, 2020 by coaster 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milwaukee Eight Posted June 18, 2020 #10 Share Posted June 18, 2020 Who would buy them? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ONECRUISER Posted June 18, 2020 #11 Share Posted June 18, 2020 (edited) 24 minutes ago, coaster said: Thought the Joe Farcus Vegas like interiors on these ships were hideous when these ships were brand new. They have not aged well either. Empress, Vision, Majesty, Enchantment, Rhapsody and Grandeur are all in the same age bracket, but have aged gracefully. Reef or scrap for these Fantasy class ships would be an appropriate outcome. True, and half Royal ships of same Class (Sovereign & Vison) already long gone. But will be sad day when the Vision and Radiance Class(sizes) are gone Edited June 18, 2020 by ONECRUISER Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ourusualbeach Posted June 18, 2020 #12 Share Posted June 18, 2020 Royal (parent company) has already announced they will be getting rid of 8 ships. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkvillain Posted June 18, 2020 #13 Share Posted June 18, 2020 Royal (parent company) has already announced they will be getting rid of 8 ships. I heard they were selling the Symphony and Anthem. What are the other six? 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
firefly333 Posted June 18, 2020 #14 Share Posted June 18, 2020 3 hours ago, ALWAYS CRUZIN said: Oldest ships 1990 Fantasy, 1991 Ecstasy, 1993 Sensation 1994 Fascination and so on. The Victory 1997 is getting refitted and changed into the radiance. One day while walking back tot he ship my wife and I were trying to name all of them. She made a mistake and we have been laughing ever since. Guess this new ship will be a lot smaller and have a real hot burning incinerator on it. It will be your last cruise for sure. Calling it the "Carnival Cremation" Not necessarily all carnival. The parent company owns 10 cruise lines. Probably wouldnt scrap all fantasy class. I think its Jacksonville or one close that only a smaller ship can sail under the bridge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crzndeb Posted June 18, 2020 #15 Share Posted June 18, 2020 https://www.breakingtravelnews.com/news/article/carnival-corporation-cuts-six-ships-as-return-to-operations-slips/ This states Carnival Corp. Lots of cruise line under their umbrella. Sorry to put this on Royal thread, but Soloadventurer started it 😉 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coaster Posted June 18, 2020 #16 Share Posted June 18, 2020 1 hour ago, Ourusualbeach said: Royal (parent company) has already announced they will be getting rid of 8 ships. Not seen the news of that. Where did you see that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coaster Posted June 18, 2020 #17 Share Posted June 18, 2020 (edited) 6 minutes ago, firefly333 said: Not necessarily all carnival. The parent company owns 10 cruise lines. Probably wouldnt scrap all fantasy class. I think its Jacksonville or one close that only a smaller ship can sail under the bridge. I think there are some smaller HAL ships involved instead of all Fantasy class ships. Rather see the Fantasy class go rather than the older HAL ships with class. I get the business decision though. Edited June 18, 2020 by coaster Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ourusualbeach Posted June 18, 2020 #18 Share Posted June 18, 2020 11 minutes ago, coaster said: Not seen the news of that. Where did you see that? It was announced in one of the investor calls. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolfcathorse Posted June 18, 2020 #19 Share Posted June 18, 2020 28 minutes ago, Yorkvillain said: I heard they were selling the Symphony and Anthem. What are the other six? Highly unlikely as the newer ships are more efficient to operate and friendlier on the environment Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baron Barracuda Posted June 18, 2020 #20 Share Posted June 18, 2020 30 minutes ago, Yorkvillain said: I heard they were selling the Symphony and Anthem. What are the other six? More likely sale / leaseback as a financing maneuver Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chipmaster Posted June 18, 2020 #21 Share Posted June 18, 2020 1 minute ago, Baron Barracuda said: More likely sale / leaseback as a financing maneuver Carnival had a spectacular quarter here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ourusualbeach Posted June 18, 2020 #22 Share Posted June 18, 2020 4 minutes ago, wolfcathorse said: Highly unlikely as the newer ships are more efficient to operate and friendlier on the environment 2 minutes ago, Baron Barracuda said: More likely sale / leaseback as a financing maneuver Pretty sure Yorkvillian used the sarcasm font. 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baron Barracuda Posted June 18, 2020 #23 Share Posted June 18, 2020 1 minute ago, chipmaster said: Carnival had a spectacular quarter here They also stated while new bookings are in line with historical level 1/3 are fcc, not new money and fares are down mid-single digits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkvillain Posted June 18, 2020 #24 Share Posted June 18, 2020 Pretty sure Yorkvillian used the sarcasm font.Ken wins. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coaster Posted June 18, 2020 #25 Share Posted June 18, 2020 (edited) 5 hours ago, ALWAYS CRUZIN said: Carnivals Celebration from 1987 Has been in the Bahamas Paradise Cruise line as the Grand Celebration. The ship look great in and out. A 33 year old ship. I would pick the former Costa Classica over the former Carnival Celebration if I ever had to book a Bahamas Paradise Cruise Line ship. She was an expensive ship for her time and a beauty inside and out. Edited June 18, 2020 by coaster Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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