CSHS1979 Posted July 21, 2020 #126 Share Posted July 21, 2020 (edited) 9 hours ago, MADflyer said: Early research is showing that the greatest interest being shown now is actually for small ship sailings. https://www.cruiseindustrynews.com/cruise-news/23235-demand-strong-for-small-ships-according-to-agent-survey.html That is a very misleading statement And FWIW, small for this article is 250 pax or less. Empress would be a leviathan in comparison Edited July 21, 2020 by CSHS1979 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dennis#1 Posted July 21, 2020 #127 Share Posted July 21, 2020 1 hour ago, CSHS1979 said: Couldn't you just drive to NJ? Yes, but why drive 4+ hours to NJ when the Baltimore port is a short Uber Drive. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JHU Posted July 21, 2020 #128 Share Posted July 21, 2020 15 hours ago, Dennis#1 said: Yes, but why drive 4+ hours to NJ when the Baltimore port is a short Uber Drive. So true....plus the Baltimore crowd (including all the others who patronize the Grandeur) are a very loyal set of passengers. I would wager that the Grandeur sails close to full every cruise. But, what will be, will be. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MADflyer Posted July 21, 2020 #129 Share Posted July 21, 2020 38 minutes ago, JHU said: ...Baltimore crowd... very loyal set of passengers. I do not see RCG with RCI leaving Baltimore or Tampa in the short or long term. I would even expect them to maintain a presence at this point in New Orleans. These ports are also great feeder markets for passengers moving up to Celebrity, Azamara, Hapag Lloyd or Silversea and for positioning in general. This recovery is going to take 8 to 10 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dmwnc1959 Posted July 21, 2020 #130 Share Posted July 21, 2020 Any news why Sovereign departed the Aliaga Anchorage area and headed out to a spot about 12nm west of Monarch? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare pirate4me2 Posted July 21, 2020 #131 Share Posted July 21, 2020 It now says Sovereign is “not under command” and “waiting for order.” Monarch is still at anchor. Sent from my iPhone using Forums Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chengkp75 Posted July 21, 2020 #132 Share Posted July 21, 2020 17 minutes ago, pirate4me2 said: It now says Sovereign is “not under command” and “waiting for order.” Monarch is still at anchor. Sent from my iPhone using Forums Well, not under command would probably not be quite correct. That indicates that the ship has broken down, and is unable to maneuver, which given the need to drive her up on the shore is likely not the case. They may be deballasting, or they may be lightering fuel to a tanker prior to beaching. They've passed the lunar high tide this month, but there may be some storm brewing in the area that could provide seas high enough to drive her further on the beach. 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woodscruise Posted July 22, 2020 #133 Share Posted July 22, 2020 Chengkp75 for my information may I ask what staff would be on these ships now? Is it from the shipyard or from cruiseline? How many people would be onboard? Also do they stay onboard until the ship is beached or do they come and go? I appreciate your insight regarding the beaching and recycling (scrapping) of ships. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biker19 Posted July 22, 2020 #134 Share Posted July 22, 2020 (edited) Horizon and X Constellation are having a rendezvous - perhaps to remove some more crew, though for the past two ships this was done near Aliaga, while this encounter is 200+ miles SW of there. Edited July 22, 2020 by Biker19 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woodscruise Posted July 22, 2020 #135 Share Posted July 22, 2020 Just check MarineTraffic and it shows that the Monarch has been beached at 1032 local time. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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chengkp75 Posted July 22, 2020 #137 Share Posted July 22, 2020 5 hours ago, woodscruise said: Chengkp75 for my information may I ask what staff would be on these ships now? Is it from the shipyard or from cruiseline? How many people would be onboard? Also do they stay onboard until the ship is beached or do they come and go? I appreciate your insight regarding the beaching and recycling (scrapping) of ships. It will be a mix of ship's crew and breaker's crew. Most likely there would be 10-12 of the ship's deck officers, engine officers, and engine crew, and some breaker's yard crew to handle any "lookout" duties (giving distances to the other ships on the beach), probably no more than 20 people tops. The locals will come and go, the ship's crew will remain onboard, shifting for themselves for meals and such. Typically, the ship's crew won't maintain a 24 hour watch like they normally do, the breaker's yard will have night watchmen to ensure the ship is not dragging anchor, and the ship's crew is just there to get propulsion up for moving and grounding, and to "pull the plug" when grounded and there is no sea water for cooling the engines. Gets real quiet when the last engine stops. 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woodscruise Posted July 22, 2020 #138 Share Posted July 22, 2020 Thank you Chengkp75. I have been monitoring the Monarch during the last few days and did notice that MarineTraffic did have the ship moving a few times and the anchored. Your insight was greatly appreciated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare A&L_Ont Posted July 22, 2020 #139 Share Posted July 22, 2020 It should have been something like this. I wish it was better film quality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CSHS1979 Posted July 22, 2020 #140 Share Posted July 22, 2020 3 hours ago, woodscruise said: Just check MarineTraffic and it shows that the Monarch has been beached at 1032 local time. Yep 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biker19 Posted July 22, 2020 #141 Share Posted July 22, 2020 (edited) Courtesy of Captainselim Edited July 22, 2020 by Biker19 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CSHS1979 Posted July 22, 2020 #142 Share Posted July 22, 2020 (edited) 11 minutes ago, Biker19 said: Recently found a company in Ohio that specializes in purchasing items from the scrap yards. Waiting to hear back if they will have any Monarch stuff secured. Website ssys it takes around 9 months to see new stuff listed https://bigshipsalvage.com/ Edited July 22, 2020 by CSHS1979 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plum Happy Posted July 22, 2020 #143 Share Posted July 22, 2020 What does Royal do with the artwork on their ships? Do they remove it or let it go as well? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CSHS1979 Posted July 22, 2020 #144 Share Posted July 22, 2020 8 minutes ago, Plum Happy said: What does Royal do with the artwork on their ships? Do they remove it or let it go as well? They off loaded a lot of stuff when they were in their last port. Not sure if Royal kept some stuff prior to the Pullmantour transfer years ago Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plum Happy Posted July 22, 2020 #145 Share Posted July 22, 2020 55 minutes ago, CSHS1979 said: They off loaded a lot of stuff when they were in their last port. Not sure if Royal kept some stuff prior to the Pullmantour transfer years ago Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MADflyer Posted July 22, 2020 #146 Share Posted July 22, 2020 1 hour ago, Plum Happy said: What does Royal do with the artwork on their ships? Do they remove it or let it go as well? The art would most certainly have been removed and is of great value. Royal Caribbean has one of the largest private art collections in the world. While the art could be re-purposed, it would more likely to some degree go to the international art auction market. Royal Caribbean has a very close relationship with International Corporate Art that goes back to their original Norwegian origins. Over 20% of the art on Royal Caribbean ships is Norwegian and Royal has a major art foundation established in Norway. https://www.icart.net/ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare A&L_Ont Posted July 22, 2020 #147 Share Posted July 22, 2020 Watch Park West on-Line. Art auctions from home. 😉 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ch09 Posted July 22, 2020 #148 Share Posted July 22, 2020 (edited) 19 minutes ago, MADflyer said: The art would most certainly have been removed and is of great value. Royal Caribbean has one of the largest private art collections in the world. While the art could be re-purposed, it would more likely to some degree go to the international art auction market. Royal Caribbean has a very close relationship with International Corporate Art that goes back to their original Norwegian origins. Over 20% of the art on Royal Caribbean ships is Norwegian and Royal has a major art foundation established in Norway. https://www.icart.net/ Some of the art will probably end up on theIr new builds. Celebrity did this with the Solstice class with the art from the Equinox (Galaxy) and Silhouette (Mercury). Edited July 22, 2020 by ch09 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LouChamp Posted July 22, 2020 #149 Share Posted July 22, 2020 dreaming Sent from my iPad using Forums Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare bobmacliberty Posted July 22, 2020 #150 Share Posted July 22, 2020 3 hours ago, CSHS1979 said: Yep I hope someone caught this on video and it makes it to social media somewhere. Can't imagine that it wouldn't since EVERYTHING that happens these days seems to be on video somewhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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