Rare hcat Posted October 18, 2020 #1051 Share Posted October 18, 2020 Thanks for expanding info on this topic, Quite alot to think about. I am Type 2 high risk, and have been semi isolating since March, as are many in my age bracket. Interested in the vaccine for obvious reasons and have a cruise booked for 2022. Planning to fly next month,,very nervous! After we arrive in Fla we will try to get the updated shingles shots..we believe not covered by Medicare??? Already had our flu shots. Hope to follow the vaccine developments... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigAl94 Posted October 18, 2020 #1052 Share Posted October 18, 2020 Quite prepared by to be dismissed as a wing nut but my prediction is that vaccines will have very limited effect, we will have to learn to live with the virus and that a new normal will emerge by 2026 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGW59 Posted October 19, 2020 #1053 Share Posted October 19, 2020 1 hour ago, BigAl94 said: Quite prepared by to be dismissed as a wing nut but my prediction is that vaccines will have very limited effect, we will have to learn to live with the virus and that a new normal will emerge by 2026 Having an opinion, does not have you a wing nut, in my opinion 🙂 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4774Papa Posted October 19, 2020 #1054 Share Posted October 19, 2020 We live in Georgia and have used our local county health department for vaccines. We have been told that once a vaccine has been approved our health department will, at first, be the place to go for the vaccine. Some have opined that you could go to CVS or Walgreens for the vaccine, like you can now for the flu shot. Also, I read that the Federal Government will provide the vaccine free of charge. Since five drug companies are in final stages with a vaccine, I expect one or more to be available early next year. Hope we can travel again next year. We have a safari in East Africa planned in July (put off from this year) and a TA cruise from Rome to Tampa in October. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TeeRick Posted October 19, 2020 #1055 Share Posted October 19, 2020 22 hours ago, Despegue said: The battle is indeed a Worldwide effort, and that is the only thing I wanted to emphasise. Some politicians seem to think that it is a “one man (reality) show”, which is insulting to the thousands of researchers Worldwide who have not rested since January 2020. Operation Warp Speed is obviously a good thing, but not more than what any other country is doing right now, something that a lot of Americans don’t seem to understand, and which certainly won’t be mentioned on Fox Propaganda, sorry, “news”. Unfortunately, here in Belgium, we are suffering a major second wave, partly because the youth, those who we rely our future prosperity on, found it more important to party than to adhere to the rules... Let’s hope for a solution in 2021. We luckily have reserved already millions of doses with several companies, as most developed countries have. What worries me more are those people living in countries without the financial means to buy massive Covid19 vaccine stocks. This needs to be a WHO effort to eradicate this nightmare Worldwide. I have also had the honour of meeting mr. Slaoui and he is certainly the right man for the job. To this point (in red) - a very good one. Here are some organizations advancing this issue worldwide. The World Bank last week approved $12 Billion to help some of these developing countries. https://www.worldbank.org/en/news/press-release/2020/10/13/world-bank-approves-12-billion-for-covid-19-vaccines The WHO along with an organization called GAVI has set up COVAX to help developing countries . https://www.who.int/initiatives/act-accelerator/covax https://www.gavi.org/ China has committed to COVAX too. https://www.voanews.com/covid-19-pandemic/china-joins-who-initiative-distribute-covid-vaccine-developing-countries Of major countries, only the USA and Russia are not involved with COVAX. https://www.axios.com/covax-initiative-vaccines-china-joins-trump-russia-26dce1f3-1b81-47af-8b7d-199900a928f3.html It is entirely possible pending the outcome of the US election on 03 Nov that the US could join the WHO/GAVI/COVAX effort in 2021. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TeeRick Posted October 19, 2020 #1056 Share Posted October 19, 2020 16 hours ago, hcat said: Distribution of vaccines may become a potential hurdle .I saw our NY Gov on TV today raising many issues. He talked about the State(s) being responsible for storage of vaccine doses at proper temps, distribution, and in what order, etc and convincing people to be vaccinated and tracking (?) . Said folks will likely need 2 doses. And need for Fed Gov funding. Sounds like another huge bureacracy in the making. How this will all play out is a serious question, esp if a vaccine is needed before folks can cruise. Actually never gave this much thought. For flu, pneumonia and shingles vaccines we just get them at our local pharmacy. Either covered by insurance or pay cash. It entirely depends on which vaccine (or vaccines) is approved and it's characteristics. There is a huge amount of thought and activity going on to address these concerns (worldwide) and not just within the US or even NYS. No comment on the NY Gov. We want to avoid politics. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mimbecky Posted October 19, 2020 #1057 Share Posted October 19, 2020 16 hours ago, greykitty said: Also, if two doses are required, it'll be a logistical issue to track each person receiving the shot and ensuring they show up on time for shot 2 Not to mention that they receive the correct second booster as it appears there will be several vaccines out. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nocl Posted October 19, 2020 #1058 Share Posted October 19, 2020 2 hours ago, mimbecky said: Not to mention that they receive the correct second booster as it appears there will be several vaccines out. Most places where one would go to get a vaccine, Pharmacies, Doctor's offices, etc, have computer systems that have the functionality to track patients and generate notices when the second dose is due. Many can even generate automatic e-mails and robo calls to notify patients. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dreaminofcruisin Posted October 19, 2020 #1059 Share Posted October 19, 2020 I remember getting the rather dubious swine flu vaccine in 1976. I was going to the University at the time and they were inoculating people in (long lines in) the Student Union . I think they were also using National Guard Armories and High School gyms to do the inoculations. It seems like those types of places might also be a possibility. My state has been using Armories for Community Testing sites. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cangelmd Posted October 19, 2020 #1060 Share Posted October 19, 2020 (edited) https://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/939378?src=mkm_covid_update_201019_mscpedit_&uac=121125HX&impID=2628422&faf=1 This fleshes out some of the statements above. Somewhere about page 2, it states the federal govt will partner with hospitals and public health depts for the first shipments of vaccine. That will be where much of the ultra low storage vaccine may end up, because many hospitals will be equipped for storage - properly controlled thawing may be the issue. Much still needs to be decided and depends on which vaccine is approved. The IT piece will be a nightmare and may hold up the entire process. As more and more antigen tests are done and testing moves beyond labs to point of care, the public health depts are losing control of the “numbers”. Tracking the vaccine will be even harder - getting people in for the second dose will be a challenge, but you have to hope there will be some personal responsibility as well as reminders. The hard part will be notifying the govt/public health that persons were vaccinated, the electronic connections are primarily between laboratories and hospital infection control depts and the state public health - doctor offices and pharmacies are not involved in this reporting. Edited October 19, 2020 by cangelmd 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGW59 Posted October 19, 2020 #1061 Share Posted October 19, 2020 47 minutes ago, cangelmd said: https://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/939378?src=mkm_covid_update_201019_mscpedit_&uac=121125HX&impID=2628422&faf=1 This fleshes out some of the statements above. Somewhere about page 2, it states the federal govt will partner with hospitals and public health depts for the first shipments of vaccine. That will be where much of the ultra low storage vaccine may end up, because many hospitals will be equipped for storage - properly controlled thawing may be the issue. Much still needs to be decided and depends on which vaccine is approved. The IT piece will be a nightmare and may hold up the entire process. As more and more antigen tests are done and testing moves beyond labs to point of care, the public health depts are losing control of the “numbers”. Tracking the vaccine will be even harder - getting people in for the second dose will be a challenge, but you have to hope there will be some personal responsibility as well as reminders. The hard part will be notifying the govt/public health that persons were vaccinated, the electronic connections are primarily between laboratories and hospital infection control depts and the state public health - doctor offices and pharmacies are not involved in this reporting. I just want to get back to cruising here, I'm leaving scince to the experts, on here I wish to focus on the CC topic..."sailing takes me away to where I've always heard it could be, just a dream and the wind to carry me" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare markeb Posted October 20, 2020 #1062 Share Posted October 20, 2020 1 hour ago, cangelmd said: https://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/939378?src=mkm_covid_update_201019_mscpedit_&uac=121125HX&impID=2628422&faf=1 This fleshes out some of the statements above. Somewhere about page 2, it states the federal govt will partner with hospitals and public health depts for the first shipments of vaccine. That will be where much of the ultra low storage vaccine may end up, because many hospitals will be equipped for storage - properly controlled thawing may be the issue. Much still needs to be decided and depends on which vaccine is approved. The IT piece will be a nightmare and may hold up the entire process. As more and more antigen tests are done and testing moves beyond labs to point of care, the public health depts are losing control of the “numbers”. Tracking the vaccine will be even harder - getting people in for the second dose will be a challenge, but you have to hope there will be some personal responsibility as well as reminders. The hard part will be notifying the govt/public health that persons were vaccinated, the electronic connections are primarily between laboratories and hospital infection control depts and the state public health - doctor offices and pharmacies are not involved in this reporting. Interesting framework. Most of the questions were predictable. A lot of them are inside baseball and probably seem minor, but they really aren't. And the IT piece will absolutely be a nightmare. I'm looking at my TRICARE medical record, for instance, and the flu vaccine I got at a pharmacy last year is listed as a medication, not under immunizations. Hope there are some details in the works somewhere... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGW59 Posted October 20, 2020 #1063 Share Posted October 20, 2020 1 hour ago, markeb said: Interesting framework. Most of the questions were predictable. A lot of them are inside baseball and probably seem minor, but they really aren't. And the IT piece will absolutely be a nightmare. I'm looking at my TRICARE medical record, for instance, and the flu vaccine I got at a pharmacy last year is listed as a medication, not under immunizations. Hope there are some details in the works somewhere... I wish this totally 100% opinion post would be closed, OP are you listening??? The pompous responses, the pretend Google/Fox/CNN/MSNBC scientists....enough already, this is a CRUISE website. Please OP close this!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare Ken the cruiser Posted October 20, 2020 Author #1064 Share Posted October 20, 2020 (edited) 42 minutes ago, LGW59 said: I wish this totally 100% opinion post would be closed, OP are you listening??? The pompous responses, the pretend Google/Fox/CNN/MSNBC scientists....enough already, this is a CRUISE website. Please OP close this!!!! Actually, this thread has been quite informative in a variety of ways as we all wait for the first vaccines to be released, whether in the EU or the USA, so we can all get back to cruising. One of the many aspects of this thread, being both the OP as well as someone sitting over in the peanut gallery, is that it keeps me and others informed of the progress of the various COVID vaccines and how they may possibly be disseminated once granted approval. Unfortunately, the vaccine updates have been slow in coming as of late for obvious reasons so news releases have slowed down, but the knowledge most of us continue to gain from the various posts on this thread has for the most part been very well received. However, if you've grown tired of it you can always click the Unfollow button, as I have on many threads when I no longer find them newsworthy. But, for me, I hope this thread continues and the various very knowledgeable folks that have contributed to it so far will continue providing us all with their insights regarding the various COVID vaccines as they hopefully make their way very soon to the finish line and into our arms so we can all start cruising again. Edited October 20, 2020 by Ken the cruiser 12 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dreaminofcruisin Posted October 20, 2020 #1065 Share Posted October 20, 2020 2 minutes ago, Ken the cruiser said: Actually, this thread has been quite informative in a variety of ways as we all wait for the first vaccines to be released, whether in the EU or the USA, so we can all get back to cruising. One of the many aspects of this thread, being both the OP as well as someone sitting over in the peanut gallery, is that it keeps me and others informed of the progress of the various COVID vaccines and how they may possibly be disseminated once granted approval. Unfortunately, the vaccine updates have been slow in coming as of late for obvious reasons so news releases have slowed down, but the knowledge most of us continue to gain from the various posts on this thread has for the most part been very well received. However, if you've grown tired of it you can always click the Unfollow button, as I have on many threads when I no longer find newsworthy. But, for me, I hope this thread continues and the various very knowledgeable folks that have contributed to it so for will continue providing us all with their insights regarding the various COVID vaccines as they hopefully make their way very soon to the finish line and into our arms so we can all start cruising again. 👍 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
REEtired Posted October 20, 2020 #1066 Share Posted October 20, 2020 Please, we need to keep this thread going. I have learned so much over these past several months by following along. There are many knowledgeable contributors who have taken a lot of time to offer their insights into vaccine development. I may not post often but follow this thread daily. I am 70 and receive mABs every 3 weeks for my cancer treatment. I am extremely interested in following the vaccine development and truly appreciate the links to articles and information updates from others who post. This thread gives us insight and a hope to some day set sail again. I’ve had to lift shift 3 cruises so far. I miss cruising. Steady as she goes. Hoping for some positive news in the next few months. 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadow9612 Posted October 20, 2020 #1067 Share Posted October 20, 2020 (edited) 57 minutes ago, LGW59 said: I wish this totally 100% opinion post would be closed, OP are you listening??? The pompous responses, the pretend Google/Fox/CNN/MSNBC scientists....enough already, this is a CRUISE website. Please OP close this!!!! I would say that the success of vaccines are related to our ability to get back to cruising. The posts in this thread have contained a wealth of information. I hope the thread keeps going... I support what @REEtired said in the post above #1069. Edited October 20, 2020 by Shadow9612 Typo correction 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
excitedofharpenden Posted October 20, 2020 #1068 Share Posted October 20, 2020 8 hours ago, LGW59 said: I wish this totally 100% opinion post would be closed, OP are you listening??? The pompous responses, the pretend Google/Fox/CNN/MSNBC scientists....enough already, this is a CRUISE website. Please OP close this!!!! I come here every so often just to see what's happening. It's sometimes useful to hear what is going on if one doesn't keep up to date on the news all of the time. I don't read all of the opinions as they get pretty detailed at times. I suggest you do the same or don't click on the link to the thread at all. But closing the thread as you suggest spoils it for everyone. Phil 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy planning mom Posted October 20, 2020 #1069 Share Posted October 20, 2020 10 hours ago, LGW59 said: I wish this totally 100% opinion post would be closed, OP are you listening??? The pompous responses, the pretend Google/Fox/CNN/MSNBC scientists....enough already, this is a CRUISE website. Please OP close this!!!! Sorry, I disagree. I am enjoying reading this thread. If you aren’t interested, just skip over. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homosassa Posted October 20, 2020 #1070 Share Posted October 20, 2020 10 hours ago, LGW59 said: I wish this totally 100% opinion post would be closed, OP are you listening??? The pompous responses, the pretend Google/Fox/CNN/MSNBC scientists....enough already, this is a CRUISE website. Please OP close this!!!! If you read all the posts, you will find that many of those responding are not "pretend Google/Fox/CNN/MSNBC scientists," but are indeed people with the educations and job experiences to discuss vaccines and clinical trials. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TeeRick Posted October 20, 2020 #1071 Share Posted October 20, 2020 10 hours ago, LGW59 said: I wish this totally 100% opinion post would be closed, OP are you listening??? The pompous responses, the pretend Google/Fox/CNN/MSNBC scientists....enough already, this is a CRUISE website. Please OP close this!!!! Based upon detailed and very informative responses there are very real and well educated MD's and scientists contributing to this thread. The MD's and scientists contributing have a unique perspective here as they are also avid cruisers. That is valuable to me anyway (and seems many others) to hear what they have to say. Is there any post or thread on Cruise Critic (including yours) that are not 100% opinion? If you are somehow offended by a discussion of vaccine science and progress- which is critical to getting back to normal cruise vacations- then just move on. Or hit ignore. Simple. 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ECCruise Posted October 20, 2020 #1072 Share Posted October 20, 2020 27 minutes ago, TeeRick said: Based upon detailed and very informative responses there are very real and well educated MD's and scientists contributing to this thread. The MD's and scientists contributing have a unique perspective here as they are also avid cruisers. That is valuable to me anyway (and seems many others) to hear what they have to say. Is there any post or thread on Cruise Critic (including yours) that are not 100% opinion? If you are somehow offended by a discussion of vaccine science and progress- which is critical to getting back to normal cruise vacations- then just move on. Or hit ignore. Simple. Gotta agree. We can all talk about "reduced capacity" and "what is the buffet going to be like?" and "will I have to wear a mask at the pool?" but until there is an effective vaccine I think there is zero chance that cruising will return to anything even remotely similar to the past experiences. Yes, there are some who are ready to rush to any ship, anywhere tomorrow (or at least say they are) but we've got a long way to go to recapture millions of cruisers hearts and minds. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pinboy Posted October 20, 2020 #1073 Share Posted October 20, 2020 (edited) Might be taken out of context Edited October 20, 2020 by Pinboy If it is not within the Guidelines , please remove. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fouremco Posted October 20, 2020 #1074 Share Posted October 20, 2020 Anyone following this thread closely can soon recognize those contributors whose posts are knowledge-based and those whose posts are riddled with nonsense. Those not enjoying this thread have plenty of others to choose from. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K.T.B. Posted October 20, 2020 #1075 Share Posted October 20, 2020 12 hours ago, LGW59 said: I wish this totally 100% opinion post would be closed, OP are you listening??? The pompous responses, the pretend Google/Fox/CNN/MSNBC scientists....enough already, this is a CRUISE website. Please OP close this!!!! Why so negative about actual science being discussed? Especially when it's affecting cruising and vacations in general. One would think trying to ignore the science is a bad thing... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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