CRUISE CEO's Call for Return to Service in US

[HowardK]

21 hours ago, bobsfamily said:

Thanks for a post that is on thread and has the ring of truth.  I am getting ready to do another Casino junket that includes airfare, bus transfers and hotel stay... and of course gambling.  Mask required in the Airport, on the plane and bus. Flight and bus are limited to the amount of passengers and once at the hotel masks are required while walking around.  Casino is similar, you walk in with a mask but once seated to play no mask required (except for table play).  Smoking, drinking and eating is highly encouraged (well no one forces you to but no is stopping it either).  

 

If all this can happen on "land" then what is the deal about doing a contained cruise? 

I wish you well on your Casino cruise; during this time the only thing I have been able to keep is my regular lottery tickets. Casinos are open here in New Jersey (I haven't gone I usually on go when there are concerts and do some slots),

I really empathize with everyone here- I had a cruise in May, likely for me 2 years before I am going and no concerts nor baseball.

[HowardK]

7 hours ago, macandlucy said:

Cute! Can you now do one for cars, buses, trains, planes, hotels, apartment buildings, malls, resorts, amusement parks, beaches, restaurants, malls, grocery stores, conventions, etc. Basically anywhere humans gather.

 

It's not cruise ships, but humans that are the vector for this virus.  Wherever people get together is the problem.

 

Safest thing to do is for everyone to go inside a self-contained isolation bubble, with no human interaction of any kind. The virus, being a virus, relies on a host (that's us humans in this case) to replicate itself. If you stop giving it that opportunity, it will die out.

 

Since there is no practical (or humane) way to do that, the next best thing is our arsenal of mitigation strategies: distancing, masking, hygiene. We do that to interrupt the chain of transmission as much as possible. 

 

There is nothing magically different about cruise ships. Ships do not transmit the virus. People transmit the virus. Infected people in close proximity to non-infected people. That can happen anyplace. Why single out cruise ships?

 

 

 

I haven't been on a bus or train in 6+ months (I love them), but I think back to my February bus ride back from NYC and someone was coughing the entire time. Was closer to them in general than people on a ship.

People are still taking trains here in NJ but I am holding off. 

[Formula280SS]

3 hours ago, njhorseman said:

Last I checked no one has to take a cruise. It's an optional leisure activity.

 

That's one perspective; and there is a polarity opposite that exists (for example, I reserve the right to decide for myself whether to cruise regardless of anyone 'not me not liking it because their perspective is that such is a leisure activity). 

 

I will equally promise not to decide for those who believe otherwise.

 

Then there is the perspective of those in the economic pyramid for whom cruising is a business and the sole support for their livelihood (just Florida, imagine the islands, Mexico, etc.).

 

Florida's Economy Takes $23B Hit From Empty Cruise Ships, Ports

WUSF Public Media - WUSF 89.7 | By Bradley George

Published August 10, 2020 at 5:00 AM EDT

 

https://wusfnews.wusf.usf.edu/business/2020-08-10/floridas-economy-takes-23b-hit-from-empty-cruise-ships-ports

 

 

 

[njhorseman]

15 minutes ago, Formula280SS said:

 

That's one perspective; and there is a polarity opposite that exists (for example, I reserve the right to decide for myself whether to cruise regardless of anyone 'not me not liking it because their perspective is that such is a leisure activity). 

 

I will equally promise not to decide for those who believe otherwise.

 

Then there is the perspective of those in the economic pyramid for whom cruising is a business and the sole support for their livelihood (just Florida, imagine the islands, Mexico, etc.).

 

Florida's Economy Takes $23B Hit From Empty Cruise Ships, Ports

WUSF Public Media - WUSF 89.7 | By Bradley George

Published August 10, 2020 at 5:00 AM EDT

 

https://wusfnews.wusf.usf.edu/business/2020-08-10/floridas-economy-takes-23b-hit-from-empty-cruise-ships-ports

 

 

 

The cruise business and those who earn all or part their livelihood from it are hardly the only businesses and people that have suffered greatly as a result of the pandemic. Restaurants, bars, theaters, hotels, airlines, bus companies, retail stores, taxis, limo services, ride sharing services etc. and their owners and employees have all taken it on the chin. Landlords who can't collect rent from unemployed tenants and out-of-business commercial tenants and banks that can't collect mortgage payments due from homeowners and commercial property owners have suffered.

Unless your name is Jeff Bezos you're probably not getting fat and rich .

 

 

Edited September 11, 2020 by njhorseman

[david_sobe]

When Covid was spreading in China and passengers were concerned about their cruises from Hong Kong, the cruise lines refused to cancel and said TRUST US.  When Chinese passengers were voided, cruise lines said TRUST US.  When Covid continued to spread cruise lines said TRUST US and enjoy a tropical vacation in the Caribbean.

 

This all led to disaster at sea. People sick. People stranded and people died on the ships.  Passengers were practically locked in their cabins for weeks and were quarantined on land.  When only 2 passengers tested positive, that turned into over 20% in just days.

Now CEOS are saying TRUST US again?

Edited September 11, 2020 by david_sobe

[brad0576]

Schools in Florida are open - 3000+ students in close quarters for 8 hours each day..... how is it cruises can't even think of returning to sailing yet schools were forced to reopen?

[zqvol]

Nothing is stopping them from starting to cruise tomorrow. They just can't use US ports. If they can find places to cruise from and people want to cruise and can get to the ships, more power to them.

[Formula280SS]

57 minutes ago, njhorseman said:

The cruise business and those who earn all or part their livelihood from it are hardly the only businesses and people that have suffered greatly as a result of the pandemic. Restaurants, bars, theaters, hotels, airlines, bus companies, retail stores, taxis, limo services, ride sharing services etc. and their owners and employees have all taken it on the chin. 

 

Well, let's just compare in Florida.

 

Cruise Lines - Closed (100%)

 

Restaurants - Open with protocols and phase-in.

Bars - To open with protocols and phase-in.

Theaters- Open with protocols and phase-in.

Hotels - Open with protocols and phase-in.

Airlines - Open with protocols and phase-in.

Bus Companies - Open with protocols and phase-in.

Retail Stores - Open with protocols and phase-in.

Taxis, Limo's and Ride Share - Open with protocols and phase-in.

 

It appears that being 100% closed, i.e., the cruise lines, is not comparative with every other example proffered.

 

 

 

 

Edited September 11, 2020 by Formula280SS

[njhorseman]

54 minutes ago, Formula280SS said:

 

Well, let's just compare in Florida.

 

Cruise Lines - Closed (100%)

 

Restaurants - Open with protocols and phase-in.

Bars - To open with protocols and phase-in.

Theaters- Open with protocols and phase-in.

Hotels - Open with protocols and phase-in.

Airlines - Open with protocols and phase-in.

Bus Companies - Open with protocols and phase-in.

Retail Stores - Open with protocols and phase-in.

Taxis, Limo's and Ride Share - Open with protocols and phase-in.

 

It appears that being 100% closed, i.e., the cruise lines, is not comparative with every other example proffered.

 

 

 

 

Except cruising isn't a Florida-only issue, it's a national issue. So you're making an apples to oranges comparison of businesses regulated by local officials to a business regulated by the federal government, and which exists in and sails from a number of states other than Florida.

You want local comparisons? In NYC restaurants still aren't open for indoor dining. In NJ they opened at 25% maximum capacity about a week ago.  In Philadelphia they opened at 25% capacity this week. Theaters in NJ just opened at 25% capacity. Did you know that some restaurants are declining to open with the 25% limitation because the increase in expenses that will be incurred by opening will mean they'll lose more money than they are by just offering takeout and outdoor dining?

The point is it's not just the cruise industry feeling the pain. other businesses in other places still are.

[beetle9]

time for cdc to get off the anti cruise agenda the biggest problem is that the cruise lines are registered out of the country. we already know that the cdc has been using a method to count the virus stuff that has had the numbers that is shared be inflated in some cases by way to much. the tv station in orlando did a good job of reporting on some of the numbers been totally wrong.   

[Formula280SS]

2 hours ago, njhorseman said:

Except cruising isn't a Florida-only issue, it's a national issue. So you're making an apples to oranges comparison of businesses regulated by local officials to a business regulated by the federal government, and which exists in and sails from a number of states other than Florida.

You want local comparisons? In NYC restaurants still aren't open for indoor dining. In NJ they opened at 25% maximum capacity about a week ago.  In Philadelphia they opened at 25% capacity this week. Theaters in NJ just opened at 25% capacity. Did you know that some restaurants are declining to open with the 25% limitation because the increase in expenses that will be incurred by opening will mean they'll lose more money than they are by just offering takeout and outdoor dining?

The point is it's not just the cruise industry feeling the pain. other businesses in other places still are.

 

I didn't bring the apples or the oranges to the discussion; nor the grapes and pineapples appearing.

 

The post of your reply was re: Florida's economic impact of cruise industry in Florida 100% shut down that I posted and linked.

 

Local to Florida is not what NY or NYC or NJ are doing and is totally meaningless in the topic above (thankfully) re: Florida.

 

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I am uniquely familiar with the poli-viral-consequences on urban restaurants and blue lock downs and the missive components in the middle paragraph above are incongruent to those informed and experienced positions with similar and comparable knowledge and understanding.

 

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The "point" (of the topic of the reply) was and is that the cruise lines, in Florida for this post impact, are 100% locked down; i.e., closed.  Not "feeling the pain."  Closed.

 

Get it?

 

 

[njhorseman]

51 minutes ago, Formula280SS said:

 

I didn't bring the apples or the oranges to the discussion; nor the grapes and pineapples appearing.

 

The post of your reply was re: Florida's economic impact of cruise industry in Florida 100% shut down that I posted and linked.

 

Local to Florida is not what NY or NYC or NJ are doing and is totally meaningless in the topic above (thankfully) re: Florida.

 

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I am uniquely familiar with the poli-viral-consequences on urban restaurants and blue lock downs and the missive components in the middle paragraph above are incongruent to those informed and experienced positions with similar and comparable knowledge and understanding.

 

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The "point" (of the topic of the reply) was and is that the cruise lines, in Florida for this post impact, are 100% locked down; i.e., closed.  Not "feeling the pain."  Closed.

 

Get it?

 

 

I get that you've forgotten you started this thread with this headline in  a huge red font. Note the last two words, "United States". My reply was with that context in mind. Note that the cruise CEOs did not call just for  a return to service in Florida.

Cruise CEOs Call for Return to Service in United States

The rest of your post is so nasty and condescending that I won't waste my time replying to it. 

 

 

[david_sobe]

12 hours ago, brad0576 said:

Schools in Florida are open - 3000+ students in close quarters for 8 hours each day..... how is it cruises can't even think of returning to sailing yet schools were forced to reopen?

Not all schools are open in Florida. In the 2 most populated counties they are doing online learning only.

But speaking of Florida........how about this for hypocrisy.   The governor was forcing schools to open yet they keep the Florida lottery office closed among other state offices.  Its unsafe for someone who wins the lottery to claim the ticket which is one person walking into the office yet its ok for hundreds of kids and teachers to mingle together.

 

Just pointing that out for those of you keeping score at home.

Its politics over health because if the government (FL Governor) thought it was safe, he would open all state offices at the same time forcing kids and teachers to school.

 

Edited September 12, 2020 by david_sobe

[Formula280SS]

8 hours ago, njhorseman said:

I get that you've forgotten you started this thread with this headline in  a huge red font. Note the last two words, "United States". My reply was with that context in mind. Note that the cruise CEOs did not call just for  a return to service in Florida.

Cruise CEOs Call for Return to Service in United States

The rest of your post is so nasty and condescending that I won't waste my time replying to it. 

 

 

 

Sorry, but one must follow the thread.

 

I subsequently, to the OP, the following (inserted screen shot in case hard to find).

 

Below it is the direct reply that I received (from your alias), REGARDING that post, and what was the basis for the subsequent chain. 

 

The $23 Billion impact on the Florida economy appears to the HEADLINE.

 

Most of the other 49 states do not have major cruise ports or cruise ports in Florida.

 

Facts are facts; time savers.  Stick to facts.

 

 

 

Edited September 12, 2020 by Formula280SS

[coaster]

MSC's CEO Rick Sasso's comment below from the linked article is so outrageous. I personally have not felt any wind on lower decks without balcony cabins. Desperation is setting in Almost as bad as NCL's marketing telling guests that the virus can't live in warmer climates at the beginning of the year. Hello?

 

“A cruise is a hotel in the middle of the ocean that the doors and windows open all the time, and we have an incredible amount of wind coming in and out making it a safer place,” said Sosa.

 

http://www.virginislandsdailynews.com/ap/commissioners-and-cruise-execs-urge-cdc-to-let-cruising-resume/article_148aaca8-a07b-5b89-8f21-ab40c55ec195.html

Edited September 12, 2020 by coaster

[bobsfamily]

Let go cruising!

Edited September 13, 2020 by bobsfamily

[bobsfamily]

On 9/11/2020 at 2:16 PM, Wannacruise81 said:

And your answer explains it all...went right over your head.

Sad, just sad...

[BirdTravels]

Time to relaunch cruising and get the industry back on its feet.  

[Trimone]

The industry will not commence until Covid-19 is under control.

[Formula280SS]

5 hours ago, Trimone said:

The industry will not commence until Covid-19 is under control.

 

These aren't norovirus cases from ships; clearly appear to be coronavirus in the US by state (also not on ships).

 

It also is cumulative, with no regard to March to September; March being when the world 'didn't know what hit it or how to treat it to September when the world 'learning curve has improved treatment.

 

It clearly also appears countries and, in the US, state governments "can't even handle" such. 

 

Note the states with the highest 'deaths per million of population.

 

What would be interesting?

 

How many in each of the above:

 

1.  Nursing homes.

2.  Health care workers.

3.  Those with underlying conditions of heart disease, lung disease, diabetes and obesity.

4.  Age 65 and over.

 

AFTER SUCH LARGE % OF THE #'S, THERE IS A GIGANTIC MATHEMATICAL GAP

 

5.  Everyone else (stratified for asymptomatic), never hospitalized.

6.  Disclosure of the virus potency levels.

 

Yes, it is common sense.  Protect 1-4, protocol 5 at applicable risk level.

[Trimone]

There has been nobody on ships since mid March?

[shof515]

23 minutes ago, Trimone said:

There has been nobody on ships since mid March?

correct. the cruise lines been closed since mid march. Only now a few cruise lines have done cruises out of Germany (TUI Cruises) and Italy (MSC)

[jaja]

On 9/12/2020 at 5:11 AM, david_sobe said:

 

But speaking of Florida........how about this for hypocrisy.   The governor was forcing schools to open yet they keep the Florida lottery office closed among other state offices.  Its unsafe for someone who wins the lottery to claim the ticket which is one person walking into the office yet its ok for hundreds of kids and teachers to mingle together.

 

 

 

I hear ya !!!   EVERY state seems to have unique and inequitable ways of dealing with COVID.  Here in NJ liquor stores have never closed but almost  everything else was (except for very  essential services).  We are now just starting with phased in openings, though far too late to save so many businesses.  The NJ economy has tanked, so the governor is talking tax increases. NJ is paying out enormous unemployment payments and has missed out on untold income from income and sales taxes which he could have avoided with a more timely and  intelligent opening plan for the state.  

Our schools are open...but again..totally mixed bag...online only, mixed online and in person etc.  It is impossible to plan, in fact my daughter has taken an unpaid leave from her school job since her daughter has a mixed school schedule. Maybe a moot point ...as there are already some cases of Covid in schools and everyone is fearing yet another lock down.

 

 

 

[Carpe-Diem]

If I can sit for 2+ hours on a flight breathing recycled farts then I should be able to sit on my cruise balcony breathing fresh ocean air 

 

[JAMESCC]

If I can sit for 2+ hours on a flight breathing recycled farts then I should be able to sit on my cruise balcony breathing fresh ocean air 
 

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