Crew Restructuring Changes (From A Crewmember) via The Safe Healthy Plans at Royal & NCL

[julesbeara]

Safe healthy plans NCLH & RCCL 2020-2021 (crew position changes)

 

ENGINE-- no more engine cadets. No more Asst.repairman. No more scrubber engineer 2/e. No more 2nd elecrician. No more electronics/entertainment electrician. No longer sr. repairman position.

DECK-- no more deck cadets. No more Asst Carpenters. No more security supervisors.

All Ab will be now a quarter master. 

No more crew fire fighters (all fire fighters to be actually trained Firemen)

No more Environmental Supervisor.

The asst.personal manager will now be the deck, engine and safety secretary.

 

MEDICAL---

Ncl & Royal adding 4 doctors each ships 2 sr doctors (6to12) shift hrs 2 doctors 24 hrs Covid-19 special duty 

4 nurses will be assist sr .doctor. Medical secretary (D/E secretary will move to medical)

IT-- One IT officer and one asst.it officer will remain.

GALLEY-- No longer utility galley supervisors.

No longer chef tournant (+/-position) each station in charge person is sous chef. No longer chef de cuisine. No longer asst pastry. No longer asst. baker.

BAR--- No more bar utility. (Bar waiter in charge for bar utility) No longer ass bar manager. Galley /Bar secretary will be same. No more mixologist.

HOUSEKEEPING-- Added 20+ more utility house keepers each ships. Add 20+ more sanitizer utility (washi washi ) every ships.

RESTAURANT --

No more restaurant stewards. No more restaurant manager

Entertainment Crew Staff, Casinos, Photographers Crew shifts will be short.

More updates will be soon..

[julesbeara]

Sorry for any typos or misspellings.  I received this via a text msg. 😃

[BND]

I don't get the "no more crew firemen".  All the crew who work as firemen are fire trained.  Are they going to bring firemen onboard whose sole job is firefighting?   So, they will sit around and twiddle their thumbs otherwise?

 

No more "restaurant manager".  Well, that will work out great I'm sure.  Most of these add up to slower/less service, etc.  A lot of them look to be money saving measures, not health ones.

Edited September 25, 2020 by BND

[jean87510]

10 minutes ago, BND said:

I don't get the "no more crew firemen".  All the crew who work as firemen are fire trained.  Are they going to bring firemen onboard whose sole job is firefighting?   So, they will sit around and twiddle their thumbs otherwise?

 

No more "restaurant manager".  Well, that will work out great I'm sure.  Most of these add up to slower/less service, etc.  A lot of them look to be money saving measures, not health ones.

The way I see it its cutting down the amount of people on board for social distancing. Also note the increase of medical personnel which would help with health issues.  And an increase in housekeeping is also health related (cleaning). So they cut bar staff and restaurant? Id rather have the increase in medical and housekeeping.

[BND]

5 minutes ago, jean87510 said:

The way I see it its cutting down the amount of people on board for social distancing. Also note the increase of medical personnel which would help with health issues.  And an increase in housekeeping is also health related (cleaning). So they cut bar staff and restaurant? Id rather have the increase in medical and housekeeping.

I didn't say a word about the medical staff or housekeeping.  So, it's okay for housekeepers to be less socially distanced than other positions?   One of the main complaints over the years have been the decrease in service and I don't just mean servers.  This will not help.  I still don't get the firemen statement because it makes no sense.  Obviously you've never worked in a restaurant and don't understand that management is more important than everything else, except the food.  The restaurant manager onboard manages all the restaurants, so that layer disappearing is not good.   Also, what exactly is a "restaurant steward"?  

Edited September 25, 2020 by BND

[yogimax]

29 minutes ago, BND said:

I don't get the "no more crew firemen".  All the crew who work as firemen are fire trained.  Are they going to bring firemen onboard whose sole job is firefighting?   So, they will sit around and twiddle their thumbs otherwise?

Exactly what I was thinking.  It makes no sense unless the firefighters have another job as well.

[jean87510]

9 minutes ago, BND said:

I didn't say a word about the medical staff or housekeeping.  So, it's okay for housekeepers to be less socially distanced than other positions?   One of the main complaints over the years have been the decrease in service and I don't just mean servers.  This will not help.  I still don't get the firemen statement because it makes no sense.  Obviously you've never worked in a restaurant and don't understand that management is more important than everything else, except the food.  The restaurant manager onboard manages all the restaurants, so that layer disappearing is not good.   Also, what exactly is a "restaurant steward"?  

Well you did mention health services so naturally I assumed medical. And there's no need to overreact about the restaurant staff. True, obviously I am not in the restaurant field. Im in the medical field so naturally I see things differently. 

[yogimax]

It seems they are cutting lower paid jobs to offset the higher expenses of trained doctors and nurses.

[John&LaLa]

2 minutes ago, yogimax said:

Exactly what I was thinking.  It makes no sense unless the firefighters have another job as well.

 

After the Forrestal fire/explosion killed all the damage control and firemen, the Navy required all seamen to undergo fire training.  Seems odd that Royal would change course

[John&LaLa]

2 minutes ago, yogimax said:

It seems they are cutting lower paid jobs to offset the higher expenses of trained doctors and nurses.

 

Just reducing staff to correspond with temporary reduction in passengers and increasing cleaning requirements overall

[rockmom]

This makes sense to me. Lower passenger capacity, but need for more sanitization and medical personnel.  They have to make a trade-off somewhere, at least initially and until the Covid risk is significantly lowered.  If I get sick, I'd take a doctor over a mixologist.  😛 

[Biker19]

Biker, who is waiting for @chengkp75 to comment.

[Vera/Lee]

1 hour ago, John&LaLa said:

 

Just reducing staff to correspond with temporary reduction in passengers and increasing cleaning requirements overall

My thoughts exactly! Plus, if this has been sent to crew members we will probably be hearing something from Royal soon.

[Doug S]

Doesn't say directly, but doubting that they will eliminate emergency fire training for general crew. But looks like they will have a dedicated fire crew that will take the lead, and likely conduct such training. That's how I'd do it. Not a bad thing.

 

Much of the job cut lingo is 'cruise-speak' to me. If I didn't know the internal staffing changes I wonder how much impact it would have (if any) to my on board experience. Speculation on my part, but I'd think eliminated positions' roles will likely be assumed by other employees. Not sure if there is a total reduction in staffing numbers, or if they are just eliminating some levels of hierarchy. Probably eliminating enough to offset the added housekeeping, medical and Fire crew. Only so many crew births/capacity I'd imagine. If the lines start up with reduced passenger counts, it may be a no brainer to reduce crew numbers in areas other than safety and housekeeping as well, at least until they sail full again.

[John&LaLa]

2 minutes ago, Doug S said:

Doesn't say directly, but doubting that they will eliminate emergency fire training for general crew. But looks like they will have a dedicated fire crew that will take the lead, and likely conduct such training. That's how I'd do it. Not a bad thing.

 

Much of the job cut lingo is 'cruise-speak' to me. If I didn't know the internal staffing changes I wonder how much impact it would have (if any) to my on board experience. Speculation on my part, but I'd think eliminated positions' roles will likely be assumed by other employees. Not sure if there is a total reduction in staffing numbers, or if they are just eliminating some levels of hierarchy. Probably eliminating enough to offset the added housekeeping, medical and Fire crew. Only so many crew births/capacity I'd imagine. If the lines start up with reduced passenger counts, it may be a no brainer to reduce crew numbers in areas other than safety and housekeeping as well, at least until they sail full again.

 

They also have to reduce capacity in the crew quarters. Theoretically by moving them into unused passenger cabins.

 

I'm also thinking they will expand medical facilities into the conference rooms. They are generally out of the way

[Doug S]

1 minute ago, John&LaLa said:

 

They also have to reduce capacity in the crew quarters. Theoretically by moving them into unused passenger cabins.

 

I'm also thinking they will expand medical facilities into the conference rooms. They are generally out of the way

Very true, I could see that happening. Wondering how fully staffed ships will be if they have a reduced passenger restart. Space in crew quarters and unused passenger cabins could allow some distancing with crew living arrangements.

 

Seldom used conference facilities definitely a candidate for medical use. A separate triage / treatment area for suspected infectious diseases makes a lot of sense.  

[John&LaLa]

3 minutes ago, Doug S said:

Very true, I could see that happening. Wondering how fully staffed ships will be if they have a reduced passenger restart. Space in crew quarters and unused passenger cabins could allow some distancing with crew living arrangements.

 

Seldom used conference facilities definitely a candidate for medical use. A separate triage / treatment area for suspected infectious diseases makes a lot of sense.  

 

And lots of quarantine space nearby

[jean87510]

1 hour ago, rockmom said:

This makes sense to me. Lower passenger capacity, but need for more sanitization and medical personnel.  They have to make a trade-off somewhere, at least initially and until the Covid risk is significantly lowered.  If I get sick, I'd take a doctor over a mixologist.  😛 

Id take both personally!!  

[gerelmx]

More park west vendors 🙄

[atanac]

I believe the extra medical staff is just cosmetic. If the Covid outbreak is still so prevalent that

they need all this extra space & staffing, cruising will again be stopped in it's tracks. Otherwise

these extra doctors & nurses will be sitting on their hands waiting for something to do.

[twangster]

Doctor makes $$$$$

ass bar manager makes $

restaurant manager makes $$

 

It's like a football team with a salary cap.   Adding four star quarterbacks to the roster consumes a lot of the cap.

 

As far as the firemen go, I will defer to anyone that has direct knowledge of how this really works without making any assumptions.   

 

 

[EasyGoingGuy]

(pls bear with me as I've been fortunate to never have had to use the medical facilities on a cruise ship and have no idea regarding normal staffing) So, they are going to ADD 8 medical staff to EACH ship?  I guess I always assumed that there was probably 1 doctor and 1 assistant (preferably an RN) regardless of the ship. I can't speak for RCCL, but I know NCL has ships from 30k ton 600 pax (Oceania 'R' ships) to 170k ton 4k+ pax NCL ships. For those of you who know, how is the medical staffing different on the larger ships?... and, therefore, if the staffing is increased, would each ship get the additional 8 medical personnel?  Looking at the logistics of the whole thing, I would think that it would be preferable to increase the onboard staffing a little but have a central location staffed by medical personnel that could be quickly moved to a ship where an emergency was occurring.  (man, I've got too much extra time on my hands)

[PaulS]

I think it is interesting that these crew changes are listed as for both NCL and RCL. I know they worked together on the Healthy Sail Panel, but those recommendations did not address what positions would be changed or eliminated. If the two lines are implementing the same crew changes does anyone think that may mean there is going to be an even closer arrangement? Maybe a merger

[Lady Hudson]

8 hours ago, TYMAN said:

I'm going to miss the ass bar manager......

You beat me to it.  I laughed when I read that in the original post.  I know we are not to criticize misspellings, or I guess incorrect abbreviations, but some are too funny to pass up.  

[BND]

10 minutes ago, Lady Hudson said:

You beat me to it.  I laughed when I read that in the original post.  I know we are not to criticize misspellings, or I guess incorrect abbreviations, but some are too funny to pass up.  

I'm pretty sure it's okay as it wasn't a CC member who wrote it, (supposedly.).  I'm still not sure about the entire post.