Will Ships For Sure Be Ready by Late May? Carnival Corp longevity?

[curtdesilets]

We got an incredible "Casino Fare" rate for Alaska Cruises in May. Like $899 for a Neptune Suite w/ a $200 credit!

Should I book it? 

I actually got mixed response's from people in the know about perhaps waiting to see.

Carnival Corporation is apparently bleeding through cash and there was talk among some insiders that if they go bankrupt, we may all be holding the bag.

Any thoughts out there from Cruise Critic Holland America lovers, like us? 

[KirkNC]

There is no such thing as as a sure thing.  That has never been more true then today.

[curtdesilets]

25 minutes ago, KirkNC said:

There is no such thing as as a sure thing.  That has never been more true then today.

You got that right.   Since we got the "Casino" fare, it points out that we are in fact gamblers.  I may just book this and see what happens.  Neptune Suites are pretty amazing, with that Neptune Lodge and all. 

[cawpaw]

We booked the Neptune casino rate for the late May Alaska cruise.  We are hoping it wont be cancelled. I doubt Carnival will go BK.  

[LawDog61]

If CCL goes BK, I think it’s likely that existing booking will be treated as an asset by the BK court and successor corporation which will emerge post bankruptcy.  The GM bankruptcy was pretty much seamless for consumers on matters such as warranties.

[DaveOKC]

43 minutes ago, cawpaw said:

We booked the Neptune casino rate for the late May Alaska cruise.  We are hoping it wont be cancelled. I doubt Carnival will go BK.  

The large stock sale this week will help keep it going IMO.  Not good for us shareholders, but it needs to stay healthy,

 

[cawpaw]

 

Agreed.

 

[mamaofami]

I can’t see how it will be safe to cruise in May. The vaccine would have to be given to a majority of people by then and I don’t think that’s going to happen so fast. JMHO

[drowelf]

1 hour ago, DaveOKC said:

The large stock sale this week will help keep it going IMO.  Not good for us shareholders, but it needs to stay healthy,

 

I missed the news that they did another block of stock. I know that RCL is selling another 30+ millions shares to raise $$, but missed the CCL one.

 

Although, I'll have to take a different opinion on whether its good or not. I've been riding the ups and downs of CCL (and RCL) since March, and have done pretty well on buying and selling blocks so far. I only need to have my 100 shares when we get close to actually taking a cruise and since I don't expect any dividends from it in the near term, its been time to play with it as it goes up and down. 

[chengkp75]

Whenever cruising restarts, I see the Alaska cruises to be the very last to restart due to Canada's restrictions.  I would not say that an Alaskan cruise in May would be a sure thing.  Depends almost entirely on Canada.

[FredT]

I do find it interesting that along the mid Florida coast it does seem that the whole virus is taken VERY lightly.  Most don't wear masks, all the restaurants and bars are open, and people look at you sort of funny when you DO wear a mask in public.  

[HappyInVan]

2 hours ago, FredT said:

I do find it interesting that along the mid Florida coast it does seem that the whole virus is taken VERY lightly.  Most don't wear masks, all the restaurants and bars are open, and people look at you sort of funny when you DO wear a mask in public.  

 

Right!

 

News! This tells you what Princess management is thinking, and where their ships will be during summer 2021.

 

 

 

 

[Mary229]

Congratulations on a great deal.  I guess it depends on your wallet.  How much do you have to put down?   I would be happy to pay $899, you want to sell me your offer?😁

[curtdesilets]

OP here.  We balked on the deal, but expect more to come from HAL before the potential Alaska sailing Season. Most Alaska cruises just have that one stop in Victoria for a few hours. Wonder if there is any contingency to allow the ship to dock there with no passengers exiting.  Just a thought. 

[ontheweb]

1 hour ago, curtdesilets said:

OP here.  We balked on the deal, but expect more to come from HAL before the potential Alaska sailing Season. Most Alaska cruises just have that one stop in Victoria for a few hours. Wonder if there is any contingency to allow the ship to dock there with no passengers exiting.  Just a thought. 

A short stop with no passengers getting off used to be a way to technically be in compliance with the PVSA, but it no longer is. After NCL got its waiver for its Hawaii cruises, they complained about other lines doing this type of stop with no passengers disembarking in Ensenada. It was changed so that sort of stop no longer counted as meeting the requirements of the PVSA.

 

So, the short answer is no unless the law is changed or some sort of waiver is granted.

[chengkp75]

24 minutes ago, ontheweb said:

A short stop with no passengers getting off used to be a way to technically be in compliance with the PVSA, but it no longer is. After NCL got its waiver for its Hawaii cruises, they complained about other lines doing this type of stop with no passengers disembarking in Ensenada. It was changed so that sort of stop no longer counted as meeting the requirements of the PVSA.

 

So, the short answer is no unless the law is changed or some sort of waiver is granted.

Further, Canada would have to agree to clear the ship into the country, yet "quarantine" the ship.  I don't see this happening either.

[KirkNC]

4 minutes ago, chengkp75 said:

Further, Canada would have to agree to clear the ship into the country, yet "quarantine" the ship.  I don't see this happening either.

Yes, Canada is too smart to let us in.

[zelker]

1 hour ago, ontheweb said:

A short stop with no passengers getting off used to be a way to technically be in compliance with the PVSA, but it no longer is. After NCL got its waiver for its Hawaii cruises, they complained about other lines doing this type of stop with no passengers disembarking in Ensenada. It was changed so that sort of stop no longer counted as meeting the requirements of the PVSA.

 

So, the short answer is no unless the law is changed or some sort of waiver is granted.

We were on the Eurodam in March (rt Hawaii out of San Diego) when the proverbial ***** hit the fan and they were closing the doors to Hawaii as we sailed east.  We DID still go to Ensenada for the day to remain in compliance with the PVSA but were not allowed to disembark so it's not out of the realm of possibility for something similar in Canada unless of course Canada won't allow it.

[highscar]

We were also on that Eurodam cruise and we did do a no passengers off at Ensenada.  Great cruise anyway. At that time we just hoped we could get home before the border closed........we did but had to quarantine.  

[chengkp75]

Quite a bit of difference between a cruise that is underway when a public health issue closes the borders, and when a cruise line plans to bring potentially infected people into a port, where there could be accidental transmission, even with the best precautions, as pilots and immigration officials need to come into contact with crew.

[zelker]

1 hour ago, highscar said:

We were also on that Eurodam cruise and we did do a no passengers off at Ensenada.  Great cruise anyway. At that time we just hoped we could get home before the border closed........we did but had to quarantine.  

 

Why did you have to quarantine?  We didn't.  Just curious.

[kazu]

7 hours ago, zelker said:

 

Why did you have to quarantine?  We didn't.  Just curious.

 

Because they are from Canada.  Everyone has to quarantine / self isolate if they travel for 14 days.  

It’s a good protocol to have in place IMO.

[kazu]

10 hours ago, zelker said:

We were on the Eurodam in March (rt Hawaii out of San Diego) when the proverbial ***** hit the fan and they were closing the doors to Hawaii as we sailed east.  We DID still go to Ensenada for the day to remain in compliance with the PVSA but were not allowed to disembark so it's not out of the realm of possibility for something similar in Canada unless of course Canada won't allow it.

 

Unless things get under control, I doubt if Canada will allow it but it’s just my best guess through my foggy crystal ball.

 

Hopefully a vaccine will be in the works for us all soon 🤞 

[zelker]

30 minutes ago, kazu said:

 

Because they are from Canada.  Everyone has to quarantine / self isolate if they travel for 14 days.  

It’s a good protocol to have in place IMO.

I don't disagree that it's a good protocol when traveling internationally but we disembarked that cruise on March 18th ... were they doing that clear back then?  If so, and since we live in the US, I wasn't aware of it so that's why I'm asking.  Everyone on that ship was just happy to get to disembark on schedule.  For us, it was definitely the most stressful vacation we've ever been on and we hope NEVER to repeat that experience.

 

Edited November 30, 2020 by zelker

[kazu]

3 minutes ago, zelker said:

But we disembarked that cruise on March 18th ... were they doing that clear back then?  If so, and since we live in the US, I wasn't aware of it so that's why I'm asking.

 

Yes, we were in Canada.  My cruise was cancelled before then due to the warnings and restrictions so I know the dates 😉